RE: Toyota Yaris GRMN: Driven
Discussion
df76 said:
s m said:
I hope Autocar and EVO get a chance to test one - be interested to hear how it compares to something like a hot Mini or old Integra/Mk1 Focus RS
Believe that EVO has a test of the Yaris in the coming mag..s m said:
Judging by the vibe from Steve Sutcliffe
His was the best write-up, IMHO. I thought the other reviews of the Yaris missed the point.This is a really unique car. It's not for everyone, but you have to admire the concept and execution. Given the dearth of inspiring drivers cars in recent times, we should be glad that it exists at all.
Peanus said:
You could spend £20k on a fiesta with a mountune kit to equalise the power difference and probably have just as much fun than spending £26k on this car.
Would be a depressing world if we all thought like that. Great to see a manufacturer sign off on something like this and sell the full allocation. I don't doubt for a second that your £26k will be much nearer £26k if you come to sell this a few years down the line over a tuned Fiesta too.As is often the case this is a ridiculously PH car which half of PH seem to dislike. There are so few people interested in cars like this now, it's why we're very unlikely to see the likes of the R26R or even Clio 172 Cup levels of effort from mainstream manufacturers now. We talk the talk with wanting light, fun, focused cars built for enthusiasts, but go out and lease a Golf instead.
TaylotS2K said:
Looks like someone has gone mad at Halfords.
To someone with little interest and even less knowledge of cars I could imagine this to be true. Any actual car enthusiast would see past the stickers and see the car beneath. A proper, correctly sized hot hatch rather than yet another bloated familly wagon with a turbocharger bolted on.ukaskew said:
Would be a depressing world if we all thought like that. Great to see a manufacturer sign off on something like this and sell the full allocation. I don't doubt for a second that your £26k will be much nearer £26k if you come to sell this a few years down the line over a tuned Fiesta too.
As is often the case this is a ridiculously PH car which half of PH seem to dislike. There are so few people interested in cars like this now, it's why we're very unlikely to see the likes of the R26R or even Clio 172 Cup levels of effort from mainstream manufacturers now. We talk the talk with wanting light, fun, focused cars built for enthusiasts, but go out and lease a Golf instead.
This is exactly the point. Toyota has built a lightweight small driver-focussed car using top-quality kit (it seems) in a world of bloated dual-clutch, heavy, semi-autonomous, more power, more torque, numb driving experience cars.As is often the case this is a ridiculously PH car which half of PH seem to dislike. There are so few people interested in cars like this now, it's why we're very unlikely to see the likes of the R26R or even Clio 172 Cup levels of effort from mainstream manufacturers now. We talk the talk with wanting light, fun, focused cars built for enthusiasts, but go out and lease a Golf instead.
And people om here - a forum for driving enthusiasts- moan and carp and you get all the one-upmanship about 'well I could spend X on a Fiesta ST and blah blah so they should never have made this'.
So what?? It would be a completely different driving experience.....and life would be boring!
If it signals a direction of travel for car makers - or some of them - then we should be celebrating.
samoht said:
Cool stuff, always great to see Toyota having a little bit of fun.
Personally I would love to see the GRMN team move on to the GT86 platform next - a chassis tune and supercharger, backed by factory warranty, would be very appealing on that car!
I was thinking that, it’d be £40k though.Personally I would love to see the GRMN team move on to the GT86 platform next - a chassis tune and supercharger, backed by factory warranty, would be very appealing on that car!
For those complaining about the cost you could always go for the basic Abarth 695 Biposto at £30k or fully optioned car at £52k......
I would happily have the Yaris if it wasn’t sold out. I think it’s a very similar car in performance to my 595 Competizione just with a SC instead of turbo.
I would happily have the Yaris if it wasn’t sold out. I think it’s a very similar car in performance to my 595 Competizione just with a SC instead of turbo.
s m said:
It certainly should be able to manage times around that mark......however, I've not seen an actual timed test anywhere ( anyone seen one ) to see if it will actually do it. Doesn't say whether those claimed times are done on the sticky Bridgestones or just the normal RE050s either.
Manufacturers claimed performance figures can often be like their claimed weights from what I've seen.
Certainly there's not many FWD road cars that can get close to low 6s or high 5s, Civic Type Rs, old and new, Integra Type R, Cooper S Works/GP Minis, Fiat Coupé Turbo, Rover Tomcat Turbo, Focus RS
For cars close to the claimed weight of the GRMN's 1135kg it goes down to a smaller group like the older Civics, Integra, Rover Tomcat and some Minis
I hope Autocar and EVO get a chance to test one - be interested to hear how it compares to something like a hot Mini or old Integra/Mk1 Focus RS
Abarth 695 Biposto is sub 1ton and 0-62 in 5.9sec however it’s also £7k more! (Deals can be had for low mileage cars at £22k)Manufacturers claimed performance figures can often be like their claimed weights from what I've seen.
Certainly there's not many FWD road cars that can get close to low 6s or high 5s, Civic Type Rs, old and new, Integra Type R, Cooper S Works/GP Minis, Fiat Coupé Turbo, Rover Tomcat Turbo, Focus RS
For cars close to the claimed weight of the GRMN's 1135kg it goes down to a smaller group like the older Civics, Integra, Rover Tomcat and some Minis
I hope Autocar and EVO get a chance to test one - be interested to hear how it compares to something like a hot Mini or old Integra/Mk1 Focus RS
Edited by ecsrobin on Friday 12th January 09:55
Tsk, it's awful to have to pay £15 for some lovely seafood linguine that's expertly crafted. I can buy some spaghetti and a tin of tuna down the supermarket for very little and cook it at home for less than that...
Lovingly created things that are made in small numbers will cost more than cheap, less deeply-considered mass-produced products that aren't as nice.
If you prefer a bang-per-buck, value for money approach, this isn't the car for you. If you value the time and care invested in developing this, and you look at more than 0-60 times, then this could be fantastic thing.
You like Fiesta STs? That's great. Ford already make them in considerable numbers, so there's no point in Toyota making more. You can already buy one of those from Ford.
You don't like the look of a Yaris? Well, that's a shame because Toyota are going to make cars that look like Toyotas. Other brands are available.
You're looking for something very different? This could be it.
I imagine this will depreciate slowly and then stay at a very high value, in a similar vein to a Renault R26.R.
Lovingly created things that are made in small numbers will cost more than cheap, less deeply-considered mass-produced products that aren't as nice.
If you prefer a bang-per-buck, value for money approach, this isn't the car for you. If you value the time and care invested in developing this, and you look at more than 0-60 times, then this could be fantastic thing.
You like Fiesta STs? That's great. Ford already make them in considerable numbers, so there's no point in Toyota making more. You can already buy one of those from Ford.
You don't like the look of a Yaris? Well, that's a shame because Toyota are going to make cars that look like Toyotas. Other brands are available.
You're looking for something very different? This could be it.
I imagine this will depreciate slowly and then stay at a very high value, in a similar vein to a Renault R26.R.
Edited by blearyeyedboy on Friday 12th January 11:31
blearyeyedboy said:
Tsk, it's awful to have to pay £15 for some lovely seafood linguine that's expertly crafted. I can buy some spaghetti and a tin of tuna down the supermarket for very little and cook it at home for less than that...
Lovingly created things that are made in small numbers will cost more than cheap, less deeply-considered mass-produced products that aren't as nice.
If you prefer a bang-per-buck, value for money approach, this isn't the car for you. If you value the time and care invested in developing this, and you look at more than 0-60 times, then this could be fantastic thing.
You like Fiesta STs? That's great. Ford already make them in considerable numbers, so there's no point in Toyota making more. You can already but one of those from Ford.
You don't like the look of a Yaris? Well, that's a shame because Toyota are going to make cars that look like Toyotas. Other brands are available.
You're looking for something very different? This could be it.
I imagine this will depreciate slowly and then stay at a very high value, in a similar vein to a Renault R26.R.
You are aware the Nando's produce the best food by any measure? simply add sauce to taste.Lovingly created things that are made in small numbers will cost more than cheap, less deeply-considered mass-produced products that aren't as nice.
If you prefer a bang-per-buck, value for money approach, this isn't the car for you. If you value the time and care invested in developing this, and you look at more than 0-60 times, then this could be fantastic thing.
You like Fiesta STs? That's great. Ford already make them in considerable numbers, so there's no point in Toyota making more. You can already but one of those from Ford.
You don't like the look of a Yaris? Well, that's a shame because Toyota are going to make cars that look like Toyotas. Other brands are available.
You're looking for something very different? This could be it.
I imagine this will depreciate slowly and then stay at a very high value, in a similar vein to a Renault R26.R.
BricktopST205 said:
0-60 of an awd car hides their real world performance compared to FWD opposition. FK2 Civic Type-R will run rings around a Focus RS yet is 1 second slower to 60mph.
By "run rings" you mean a few seconds over a very long track ala Nurburgring? And a second or so over a normal lap on a normal length track. Strange what some people classify as "running rings".
Anyway, back on topic, I think this looks like a great little car and I guess it is the hottest mini hatch that there is. Perhaps the styling could be a bit more interesting but most of all I bet it's great fun.
I guess the price can be justified by the rarity.
I'd imagine that it'll be a bugger to get parts for in 10years time though.
Ahbefive said:
Anyway, back on topic, I think this looks like a great little car and I guess it is the hottest mini hatch that there is.
I think the Abarth695 Biposto wins the hottest “mini” hatch. 997kg
5.9sec 0-62
143mph
190bhp (a remap will see 210-220bhp)
LSD
Extreme shox adjustable suspension
Brembos
Optional:
Perspex Windows
Aluminium bonnet
Racing dashboard
Dog ring gearbox
Don’t get me wrong I’d happily own the Yaris and it’s great to see another hot small car with a great spec but Abarth have been making similar cars for a few years now.
ukaskew said:
Peanus said:
You could spend £20k on a fiesta with a mountune kit to equalise the power difference and probably have just as much fun than spending £26k on this car.
Would be a depressing world if we all thought like that. Great to see a manufacturer sign off on something like this and sell the full allocation. I don't doubt for a second that your £26k will be much nearer £26k if you come to sell this a few years down the line over a tuned Fiesta too.As is often the case this is a ridiculously PH car which half of PH seem to dislike. There are so few people interested in cars like this now, it's why we're very unlikely to see the likes of the R26R or even Clio 172 Cup levels of effort from mainstream manufacturers now. We talk the talk with wanting light, fun, focused cars built for enthusiasts, but go out and lease a Golf instead.
TX.
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