RE: New Mercedes-AMG '53' models launched
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GTEYE said:
culpz said:
C70R said:
culpz said:
andrewparker said:
Pie-n-Peys said:
p1stonhead said:
WTF has happened to Mercedes interiors?! 
Is it just me who thinks the interior looks great?BMW does feel rather cheap on anything below 5 series. Unless you choose the full merino leather in the M offerings, which makes it feel a bit better in quality.
Mercedes-Benz has that stupid piano black centre console, that is a magnet to fingerprints, but you're able to change that to wood or carbon trim.
Audi does a decent interior in the A4, but new A7 and A8 are a disaster in usability and material quality. They didn't do themselves any favours with that touchscreen.
I can't understand the criticism, I have driven G11 and W222 (S-Class) for thousands of miles and I think the interiors are perfect, both in terms of functionality, quality and design. To my knowledge the E-Class with a few options shouldn't feel too different. The choice of materials through the option list will also affect the feel.
The comand is a bit sluggish, but it's not a deal breaker for me. The HUD and iDrive introduced with the G11 is miles ahead of the competition.
GTEYE said:
culpz said:
C70R said:
culpz said:
andrewparker said:
Pie-n-Peys said:
p1stonhead said:
WTF has happened to Mercedes interiors?!
Is it just me who thinks the interior looks great?IbrahimLafayette said:
GTEYE said:
culpz said:
C70R said:
culpz said:
andrewparker said:
Pie-n-Peys said:
p1stonhead said:
WTF has happened to Mercedes interiors?!
Is it just me who thinks the interior looks great?BMW does feel rather cheap on anything below 5 series. Unless you choose the full merino leather in the M offerings, which makes it feel a bit better in quality.
Mercedes-Benz has that stupid piano black centre console, that is a magnet to fingerprints, but you're able to change that to wood or carbon trim.
Audi does a decent interior in the A4, but new A7 and A8 are a disaster in usability and material quality. They didn't do themselves any favours with that touchscreen.
I can't understand the criticism, I have driven G11 and W222 (S-Class) for thousands of miles and I think the interiors are perfect, both in terms of functionality, quality and design. To my knowledge the E-Class with a few options shouldn't feel too different. The choice of materials through the option list will also affect the feel.
The comand is a bit sluggish, but it's not a deal breaker for me. The HUD and iDrive introduced with the G11 is miles ahead of the competition.
Gearknob aside (such a cheap-looking design!), the current 1-series is the benchmark for small cars:
IbrahimLafayette said:
Out of curiosity, what car has a decent interior in your opinion both in terms of design and material quality.
BMW does feel rather cheap on anything below 5 series. Unless you choose the full merino leather in the M offerings, which makes it feel a bit better in quality.
Mercedes-Benz has that stupid piano black centre console, that is a magnet to fingerprints, but you're able to change that to wood or carbon trim.
Audi does a decent interior in the A4, but new A7 and A8 are a disaster in usability and material quality. They didn't do themselves any favours with that touchscreen.
I can't understand the criticism, I have driven G11 and W222 (S-Class) for thousands of miles and I think the interiors are perfect, both in terms of functionality, quality and design. To my knowledge the E-Class with a few options shouldn't feel too different. The choice of materials through the option list will also affect the feel.
The comand is a bit sluggish, but it's not a deal breaker for me. The HUD and iDrive introduced with the G11 is miles ahead of the competition.
Can't agree. Take a £30k 3-series and compare it with a £25k VW/Ford/etc and it's a clear step up.BMW does feel rather cheap on anything below 5 series. Unless you choose the full merino leather in the M offerings, which makes it feel a bit better in quality.
Mercedes-Benz has that stupid piano black centre console, that is a magnet to fingerprints, but you're able to change that to wood or carbon trim.
Audi does a decent interior in the A4, but new A7 and A8 are a disaster in usability and material quality. They didn't do themselves any favours with that touchscreen.
I can't understand the criticism, I have driven G11 and W222 (S-Class) for thousands of miles and I think the interiors are perfect, both in terms of functionality, quality and design. To my knowledge the E-Class with a few options shouldn't feel too different. The choice of materials through the option list will also affect the feel.
The comand is a bit sluggish, but it's not a deal breaker for me. The HUD and iDrive introduced with the G11 is miles ahead of the competition.
5-series takes it a step further, ditto 7-series.
Merc pegs it model by model (now, C and E were poor 5yrs ago)
Audi tends to have better build but worse design,
All IMO/E
It’s a nice car, interior looks nice as well bar the steering wheel, however that isn’t the problem for me, my problem is Mercedes lack of identity in their line up, they drastically change their cars every facelift, interiors are completely redesigned every time a new model comes out and if one model adopts something new, like that horrible tablet in the dashboard, they add it into other cars during their facelift when it doesn’t even look right! Check the CLS/GLS/GLE whatever, it’s nearly the same with a fat screen stuck on with a gap behind it that housed the original screen.
From their model designations to interiors to exhaust lay outs, I feel as if they’re struggling to stick to one philosophy, they just get more complicated each time!
You could call me a BMW fan boy as I’m going to compare to BMW’s consistency in their interior lay outs and evolutionary approach to their models.
If anything is going to put me off buying a merc, it’s going to be dramatic changes every 3 years, old models instantly look dated in comparison.
They now appear to be going back to the quad tailpipe lay out now as well, stick to one thing! Look at BMW, all M cars have quad round tailpipes, since the E39 & E46, nothings changed!
Tailpipes aren’t important but my point is that even the small details that define a car are changing so much you don’t know what’s what.
Go into any Merc dealership now and explore all of their interiors and they’re all completely different with completely different steering wheels. BMW’s on the other hand are all the same more or less and original. It may not be a good thing to some but I think in the long run, BMW’s will age A LOT better.
One thing I love about BMW is how they managed to stick to the orange lights in the speedometer at night reminiscent of the old models. They’ve only just now introduced the digital dials. It’s the small things that matter.
From their model designations to interiors to exhaust lay outs, I feel as if they’re struggling to stick to one philosophy, they just get more complicated each time!
You could call me a BMW fan boy as I’m going to compare to BMW’s consistency in their interior lay outs and evolutionary approach to their models.
If anything is going to put me off buying a merc, it’s going to be dramatic changes every 3 years, old models instantly look dated in comparison.
They now appear to be going back to the quad tailpipe lay out now as well, stick to one thing! Look at BMW, all M cars have quad round tailpipes, since the E39 & E46, nothings changed!
Tailpipes aren’t important but my point is that even the small details that define a car are changing so much you don’t know what’s what.
Go into any Merc dealership now and explore all of their interiors and they’re all completely different with completely different steering wheels. BMW’s on the other hand are all the same more or less and original. It may not be a good thing to some but I think in the long run, BMW’s will age A LOT better.
One thing I love about BMW is how they managed to stick to the orange lights in the speedometer at night reminiscent of the old models. They’ve only just now introduced the digital dials. It’s the small things that matter.
Chestrockwell said:
It’s a nice car, interior looks nice as well bar the steering wheel, however that isn’t the problem for me, my problem is Mercedes lack of identity in their line up, they drastically change their cars every facelift, interiors are completely redesigned every time a new model comes out and if one model adopts something new, like that horrible tablet in the dashboard, they add it into other cars during their facelift when it doesn’t even look right! Check the CLS/GLS/GLE whatever, it’s nearly the same with a fat screen stuck on with a gap behind it that housed the original screen.
From their model designations to interiors to exhaust lay outs, I feel as if they’re struggling to stick to one philosophy, they just get more complicated each time!
You could call me a BMW fan boy as I’m going to compare to BMW’s consistency in their interior lay outs and evolutionary approach to their models.
If anything is going to put me off buying a merc, it’s going to be dramatic changes every 3 years, old models instantly look dated in comparison.
They now appear to be going back to the quad tailpipe lay out now as well, stick to one thing! Look at BMW, all M cars have quad round tailpipes, since the E39 & E46, nothings changed!
Tailpipes aren’t important but my point is that even the small details that define a car are changing so much you don’t know what’s what.
Go into any Merc dealership now and explore all of their interiors and they’re all completely different with completely different steering wheels. BMW’s on the other hand are all the same more or less and original. It may not be a good thing to some but I think in the long run, BMW’s will age A LOT better.
One thing I love about BMW is how they managed to stick to the orange lights in the speedometer at night reminiscent of the old models. They’ve only just now introduced the digital dials. It’s the small things that matter.
See where you are going a little....but BMW are becoming more alike across models. Look at the new 5/6/7 series.From their model designations to interiors to exhaust lay outs, I feel as if they’re struggling to stick to one philosophy, they just get more complicated each time!
You could call me a BMW fan boy as I’m going to compare to BMW’s consistency in their interior lay outs and evolutionary approach to their models.
If anything is going to put me off buying a merc, it’s going to be dramatic changes every 3 years, old models instantly look dated in comparison.
They now appear to be going back to the quad tailpipe lay out now as well, stick to one thing! Look at BMW, all M cars have quad round tailpipes, since the E39 & E46, nothings changed!
Tailpipes aren’t important but my point is that even the small details that define a car are changing so much you don’t know what’s what.
Go into any Merc dealership now and explore all of their interiors and they’re all completely different with completely different steering wheels. BMW’s on the other hand are all the same more or less and original. It may not be a good thing to some but I think in the long run, BMW’s will age A LOT better.
One thing I love about BMW is how they managed to stick to the orange lights in the speedometer at night reminiscent of the old models. They’ve only just now introduced the digital dials. It’s the small things that matter.
Merc and Audi are a little worse, but not by much anymore.
....and my BMWs from 2009 to this year didn't have orange-lit dials!
C70R said:
kambites said:
The interior design looks far more cohesive than BMW's recent attempts to me. I'm not keen on the materials/colours but I dare say that's configurable?
Really? Acres of hi-gloss and LCD screens, with randomly placed vents which look like a cat's ringpiece?Also, I've seen more grown-up looking steering-wheels attached to Playstation controllers!
The current BMW 6, for comparison...
Edited by C70R on Monday 15th January 13:52
Edited by MDMetal on Monday 15th January 16:18
Loving the looks and performance stats.
So, maybe I have missed the earlier posts, but is this meant to be the in-between of the E43 and E63 models?
I was looking at an E63 S advert on eBay the other day, and was shocked to see it was at £96k (second-hand), with list price of over £110k. That's a lot of wod for an E Class estate (albeit a very fast one)!
So, maybe I have missed the earlier posts, but is this meant to be the in-between of the E43 and E63 models?
I was looking at an E63 S advert on eBay the other day, and was shocked to see it was at £96k (second-hand), with list price of over £110k. That's a lot of wod for an E Class estate (albeit a very fast one)!
Chestrockwell said:
It’s a nice car, interior looks nice as well bar the steering wheel, however that isn’t the problem for me, my problem is Mercedes lack of identity in their line up, they drastically change their cars every facelift, interiors are completely redesigned every time a new model comes out and if one model adopts something new, like that horrible tablet in the dashboard, they add it into other cars during their facelift when it doesn’t even look right! Check the CLS/GLS/GLE whatever, it’s nearly the same with a fat screen stuck on with a gap behind it that housed the original screen.
From their model designations to interiors to exhaust lay outs, I feel as if they’re struggling to stick to one philosophy, they just get more complicated each time!
You could call me a BMW fan boy as I’m going to compare to BMW’s consistency in their interior lay outs and evolutionary approach to their models.
If anything is going to put me off buying a merc, it’s going to be dramatic changes every 3 years, old models instantly look dated in comparison.
They now appear to be going back to the quad tailpipe lay out now as well, stick to one thing! Look at BMW, all M cars have quad round tailpipes, since the E39 & E46, nothings changed!
Tailpipes aren’t important but my point is that even the small details that define a car are changing so much you don’t know what’s what.
Go into any Merc dealership now and explore all of their interiors and they’re all completely different with completely different steering wheels. BMW’s on the other hand are all the same more or less and original. It may not be a good thing to some but I think in the long run, BMW’s will age A LOT better.
One thing I love about BMW is how they managed to stick to the orange lights in the speedometer at night reminiscent of the old models. They’ve only just now introduced the digital dials. It’s the small things that matter.
I've never got on with BMW interiors. From their model designations to interiors to exhaust lay outs, I feel as if they’re struggling to stick to one philosophy, they just get more complicated each time!
You could call me a BMW fan boy as I’m going to compare to BMW’s consistency in their interior lay outs and evolutionary approach to their models.
If anything is going to put me off buying a merc, it’s going to be dramatic changes every 3 years, old models instantly look dated in comparison.
They now appear to be going back to the quad tailpipe lay out now as well, stick to one thing! Look at BMW, all M cars have quad round tailpipes, since the E39 & E46, nothings changed!
Tailpipes aren’t important but my point is that even the small details that define a car are changing so much you don’t know what’s what.
Go into any Merc dealership now and explore all of their interiors and they’re all completely different with completely different steering wheels. BMW’s on the other hand are all the same more or less and original. It may not be a good thing to some but I think in the long run, BMW’s will age A LOT better.
One thing I love about BMW is how they managed to stick to the orange lights in the speedometer at night reminiscent of the old models. They’ve only just now introduced the digital dials. It’s the small things that matter.
Hate the way that they all look the same from a 1 series up to 7. Only thing that differs is the toys added at purchase time. And BMW being BMW, every single bloody extra has a cost, so you can never find a second hand car with the correct spec.
The 1 series I had was very plasticky, and apart from the tech, was worse inside than than my 10 year old Alfa 147 Lusso.
The new Merc interiors are very nice IMO, a little chintzy, but just on the right side of Spearmint Rhino. The new revised G class on the front page has the same style, if you anyone cares to take a look.
I was in a new S Coupe at the weekend and it was very special, but then it was 106k so bloody well should be!!!
Any way, enough about interiors, think these look great and obviously go great, especially the coupe. Bit biased though, as I love a big Merc Coupe!!!
C70R said:
You've hit the nail on the head - the W222 is absolutely sublime. I passengered in the rear of one on a motorway trip last year, and I've been in less comfortable living rooms!
Gearknob aside (such a cheap-looking design!), the current 1-series is the benchmark for small cars:
That is not a 1 series, M paddles (the normal models have smaller paddles) and the gear knob is for an M car with DCT. So it is an M2.Gearknob aside (such a cheap-looking design!), the current 1-series is the benchmark for small cars:
The normal auto 8HP has a slightly different one, and the sport version slightly different again (with and without ceramic finish).
Electric turbos?
China have been doing them for years - "Electric Turbine Supercharger Boost Intake Fan Car Turbo - DC12V 16000RPM" for about a tenner.
Same plastic as the Merc dashboard by the look of it.
China have been doing them for years - "Electric Turbine Supercharger Boost Intake Fan Car Turbo - DC12V 16000RPM" for about a tenner.
Same plastic as the Merc dashboard by the look of it.
Uncle John said:
I've never got on with BMW interiors.
Hate the way that they all look the same from a 1 series up to 7. Only thing that differs is the toys added at purchase time. And BMW being BMW, every single bloody extra has a cost, so you can never find a second hand car with the correct spec.
The 1 series I had was very plasticky, and apart from the tech, was worse inside than than my 10 year old Alfa 147 Lusso.
The new Merc interiors are very nice IMO, a little chintzy, but just on the right side of Spearmint Rhino. The new revised G class on the front page has the same style, if you anyone cares to take a look.
I was in a new S Coupe at the weekend and it was very special, but then it was 106k so bloody well should be!!!
Any way, enough about interiors, think these look great, especially the coupe. Bit biased though, as I love a big Merc Coupe!!!
To a degree I agree most of the interior from the 1 series - 4 series shares a lot of architecture. The F10/F11 5 were a little different, the F01 7 was just a slightly improved one. The 5GT (and now the 6GT) was/is a hybrid of the 5 and 7. The F06/F12/F13 is/was very different and did include a lot of specification and even the new 7 does.Hate the way that they all look the same from a 1 series up to 7. Only thing that differs is the toys added at purchase time. And BMW being BMW, every single bloody extra has a cost, so you can never find a second hand car with the correct spec.
The 1 series I had was very plasticky, and apart from the tech, was worse inside than than my 10 year old Alfa 147 Lusso.
The new Merc interiors are very nice IMO, a little chintzy, but just on the right side of Spearmint Rhino. The new revised G class on the front page has the same style, if you anyone cares to take a look.
I was in a new S Coupe at the weekend and it was very special, but then it was 106k so bloody well should be!!!
Any way, enough about interiors, think these look great, especially the coupe. Bit biased though, as I love a big Merc Coupe!!!
Even now very few manufacturers have virtually removed all normal bulb based headlights from the current line up with LED headlights as standard (I know cornering, adaptive selective beam and laser lights are all still options). Regarding options I do no think BMW are bad in any regard.
Ares said:
See where you are going a little....but BMW are becoming more alike across models. Look at the new 5/6/7 series.
Merc and Audi are a little worse, but not by much anymore.
....and my BMWs from 2009 to this year didn't have orange-lit dials!
with lights on they still turn from white to orange though (much to the displeasure of some owners - I sought of fall into this camp as the white is generally easier to focus on (more so when the car gets confused between dark and light and flips between both).Merc and Audi are a little worse, but not by much anymore.
....and my BMWs from 2009 to this year didn't have orange-lit dials!
Cupramax said:
Mr-B said:
2 tonnes for the cabrio, 2 f
king tonnes! Wow.
Hardly earth shattering, it's 100kg more than an S5' so comparable biggish cabrio. That's one fat bloke approx.king tonnes! Wow.Ninja59 said:
C70R said:
You've hit the nail on the head - the W222 is absolutely sublime. I passengered in the rear of one on a motorway trip last year, and I've been in less comfortable living rooms!
Gearknob aside (such a cheap-looking design!), the current 1-series is the benchmark for small cars:
That is not a 1 series, M paddles (the normal models have smaller paddles) and the gear knob is for an M car with DCT. So it is an M2.Gearknob aside (such a cheap-looking design!), the current 1-series is the benchmark for small cars:
The normal auto 8HP has a slightly different one, and the sport version slightly different again (with and without ceramic finish).
andy43 said:
Electric turbos?
China have been doing them for years - "Electric Turbine Supercharger Boost Intake Fan Car Turbo - DC12V 16000RPM" for about a tenner.
Same plastic as the Merc dashboard by the look of it.
The Merc one is 48v and if you can get one for £10 I would be amazed.China have been doing them for years - "Electric Turbine Supercharger Boost Intake Fan Car Turbo - DC12V 16000RPM" for about a tenner.
Same plastic as the Merc dashboard by the look of it.
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