RE: New Mercedes-AMG '53' models launched

[mainaman]

TooMany2cvs said:

Do you like Spyker's interiors, too?

Add a space invader machine in place of the dials, and we've got Merc's inspiration sussed.

Spyker's interiors are some of the best in the automotive world,probably on the level of Pagani and Bugati.Outlandish,but not a single plastic trim or switch.

Wood trims are fine on Bentleys,their switchgear is marvelous too.

Unfortunately most sub(and over!) 100k cars have plastic-fantastic interiors.You can just pick chintzy or grandad special.

[Wills2]

IbrahimLafayette said:

It's either an M3 or M4.

Correct. So much fail on this thread a bloody 1 series indeed...

[Chestrockwell]

Uncle John said:

I've never got on with BMW interiors.

Hate the way that they all look the same from a 1 series up to 7. Only thing that differs is the toys added at purchase time. And BMW being BMW, every single bloody extra has a cost, so you can never find a second hand car with the correct spec.

The 1 series I had was very plasticky, and apart from the tech, was worse inside than than my 10 year old Alfa 147 Lusso.

The new Merc interiors are very nice IMO, a little chintzy, but just on the right side of Spearmint Rhino. The new revised G class on the front page has the same style, if you anyone cares to take a look.

I was in a new S Coupe at the weekend and it was very special, but then it was 106k so bloody well should be!!!

Any way, enough about interiors, think these look great and obviously go great, especially the coupe. Bit biased though, as I love a big Merc Coupe!!!

Well in BMW’s defence there is a huge step up from the 3/4 series to the 5 in quality despite looking the same in pictures. I own a 4 series and I agree, a 1 series interior is identical however with the pro nav, black panel display and all the options on mine, it does differentiate mine to a basic 1 series which is enough for me, I’m not too bothered as I like the current interior layout in BMW’s, driver focused, simple and durable, reminds me of an E46 (best BMW ever made imo).

I drove my friends C250d coupe and it looks more luxurious but I don’t get the impression it won’t fall apart, too many light feeling plastics that can easily be damaged or scratched, it looks better now when new but I seriously doubt it will still look nice after 100k Miles.

My brother has a 2005 E320 CDI avantguarde and it just feels like a proper merc inside, it even has that smell inside that reminds me of my dads old W124.

I too have a soft spot for big body benzes like you(what I like to call them ) and bar the S-Class variants, they just don’t do it for me anymore.

[saxy]

Those air vents, Look like creepy eyes 👀

[andy43]

anonymous said:

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I agree. No engine plaque visible in the pics. The dashboard plastics are almost irrelevant - it's supposed to be an AMG ferchrissakes.
This is the start... AMG, with handwound electric turbocharger motor soldered by one engineer with very small hands.

Edited by andy43 on Tuesday 16th January 09:38

[Vocht]

For me the this E53 coupe is the perfect daily. Great real world performance, 4wd, decent economy, lots of luxury, gorgeous aesthetics (I for one love the interior too. Fantastic all rounder. My only hesitation is that these new 48v systems sound like they could get very expensive very quickly if they were to go wrong out of warranty. I'm sure depreciation will not be friendly to the 53' range.

[p1stonhead]

This is just ghastly

[seefarr]

InductionRoar said:

Only on PH could the interior of a new AMG product garner so much commentary. It's hardly surprising that car manufacturers are catering less for the enthusiast, when a forum of enthusiasts show more interest in the interior plastics than the new powertrain.

This. AMG does a brand new straight six with a normal turbo, an electric turbo and an electric motor for hybrid and we get 1000 pictures of BMW interiors.

It sounds like it's got an electrically assisted turbo - it gets spun up quickly by an electric motor and can charge the batteries when full boost isn't needed. Pretty cool stuff!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_supercharge...

[Chestrockwell]

anonymous said:

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Agreed, I think the C43 was made in the US from launch but badged C400 or C450, they then decided to sell it here with an AMG badge. I imagine this engine will eventually find its way in the S/GLE/GLS models with a different badge like 450 or whatever taking away the exclusivity of the ‘53 AMG’ badge.

It is diluting the brand, A C43 is just an AMG Line C class with a bigger engine and a split in the fake exhausts!

[WCZ]

it is funny they're using ebay electric supercharger technology, I saw a big test of this gimmicky items in a magazine once and all failed to produce any good results

[XMT]

p1stonhead said:

This is just ghastly

Its nice, not to my taste but certainly isnt as bad as your making it out to be.
Merc have took a step in the right direction when they brought this line of interior out; its nice, innovative and creative.
People just like to bh about anything

[Jam12321]

Wills2 said:

Correct. So much fail on this thread a bloody 1 series indeed...

Speaks volumes that enthusiasts can't spot the difference.. My GF is borrowing a 3 series while her 1 series is being repaired from a rear end shunt, other than the steering wheel its all exactly the same to her.

Ups and downs with that, she's instantly 'at home' in the 3 series but after driving it for a few days she decided that she preferred her 1 series... she didn't see it as an upgrade, just larger but otherwise its the same car.

Personally i find the interior in the '53 as pretty damn ugly, the screens are awful and the centre console is extremely cheap looking.

[p1stonhead]

Jam12321 said:

Wills2 said:

Correct. So much fail on this thread a bloody 1 series indeed...

Speaks volumes that enthusiasts can't spot the difference..

Speaks volumes about the people who can more like

[TooMany2cvs]

seefarr said:

It sounds like it's got an electrically assisted turbo - it gets spun up quickly by an electric motor and can charge the batteries when full boost isn't needed. Pretty cool stuff!

Umm, it explicitly describes that in the article. Just like the SQ7.

It's just a short-term boost fill-in, before the main turbos start boosting, to help reduce lag.

[Dave Hedgehog]

andy43 said:

when the old marketing BS comes back to bite the new marketing BS

[seefarr]

TooMany2cvs said:

seefarr said:

It sounds like it's got an electrically assisted turbo - it gets spun up quickly by an electric motor and can charge the batteries when full boost isn't needed. Pretty cool stuff!

Umm, it explicitly describes that in the article. Just like the SQ7.

It's just a short-term boost fill-in, before the main turbos start boosting, to help reduce lag.

I was going off the evo.co.uk which says it can also charge, which suggests it has a wheel on the exhaust side as well as the intake.

evo said:

The 3-litre in-line six is equipped with two-turbochargers – a conventional exhaust gas turbine and an electric turbocharger. The latter not only charges the electric motor through the car’s 48 volt electrical system but also provides near instantaneous maximum torque from idle to eliminate any lag until the larger exhaust driven turbo is up to speed.

But having now found the engine code (M256) I've found a great deep dive into the engine and it is indeed just an electrically driven compressor (supercharger?):

http://autoweek.com/article/technology/why-mercede...

[JD]

seefarr said:

But having now found the engine code (M256) I've found a great deep dive into the engine and it is indeed just an electrically driven compressor (supercharger?):

http://autoweek.com/article/technology/why-mercede...

There are 2 motors, and everyone failed to read the article.

There is electri cturbocharger to provide boost fill in AND a starter/generator that gives torque fill, starts the engine, recovers energy when not required, and allows the engine to turn off to coast.

[whitevancam]

I'm sure the torque figure of 384 lbft can't be correct as the article says the electric motor produces 184 lbft of torque on its own, which would mean that the 3litre twin turbo motor only produces around 200 lbft, surely not??

[TooMany2cvs]

JD said:

There are 2 motors, and everyone failed to read the article.

There is electri cturbocharger to provide boost fill in

Audi SQ7

JD said:

AND a starter/generator that gives torque fill, starts the engine, recovers energy when not required, and allows the engine to turn off to coast.

"Light hybrid" - remember the Civic IMA from about 15yrs ago?

[JD]

whitevancam said:

I'm sure the torque figure of 384 lbft can't be correct as the article says the electric motor produces 184 lbft of torque on its own, which would mean that the 3litre twin turbo motor only produces around 200 lbft, surely not??

Both produce their peak torque at different rpm, so you can’t just add the two together.