Are LR Velars selling?
Discussion
David87 said:
PrancingHorses said:
£84k
You, Sir, are mental. 
Wise move swapping it for the Sport, though; I'd have done the same. Surely it came as a surprise to no-one that the Sport and proper Range Rover received the Velar's goodies at facelift time, though?
I expected the goodies to come to the rest of the range but not announce these a month after they launched the Velar! I thought they may use this as a selling point for the Velar for at least 6-9 months but it happened way to quickly. Another marketing f
k up IMHO. cayman-black said:
Not that keen on the Velar, but at least its nowhere near as ugly as a Macan, awful car.
To look at or to drive and own ?Have to say mine was probably the best all rounder I’ve ever owned. I appreciate that looks arevsubjevtive but as an all round package it struck me as a long way from being awful.
PrancingHorses said:
I have seen brand new pre-reg First Editions on AT recently for £72k!
Do people really fall for the First Edition hype? Not sure who is more stupid, the manufacturer or the customer! I can fully understand First Editions on a car like a Bugatti, Pagani, Ferrari or on a five digit watch, but on a fairly mainstream car?! Christ, even Kia I believe have Kia Sportage First Editions.Seen only one down here in Kent. It was on the M20 in camo....
I think the problem for the Velar, put bluntly is it is simply excessively priced when you consider it against the RRS. You really have to want those looks and handles to be paying similar money.
I am struggling to see the point of it. But sadly, I know the side of this with BMW's range of Gran Coupe's who in many cases are 4 doors to 2 doors back to 4 doors in a different ish body. Sadly I just do not think the Velar pricing is quite "right" even then and the options are excessively priced.
I think the problem for the Velar, put bluntly is it is simply excessively priced when you consider it against the RRS. You really have to want those looks and handles to be paying similar money.
I am struggling to see the point of it. But sadly, I know the side of this with BMW's range of Gran Coupe's who in many cases are 4 doors to 2 doors back to 4 doors in a different ish body. Sadly I just do not think the Velar pricing is quite "right" even then and the options are excessively priced.
Ninja59 said:
You really have to want those looks and handles to be paying similar money.
But some people just do.This next bit is a generic observation, not one specifically aimed at you.
Despite all of the hand wringing that it seems meets every new LR launch the brand is selling more cars in more markets than ever before.
I’m a long standing LR customer and the Velar and Evoque aren’t for me, but I don’t feel the need to sneer at those for whom they are. As for First Edition hype, so what ? Once again it seems telling people they are stupid for a personal purchase decision seems more important to some PH members than discussing the merits of the car under discussion.
If Velar and Evoque sales add to profitability and keep FFRRs and new Defenders coming off the production lines then all power to them.
PrancingHorses said:
I had one of the very first UK Cars (if not the first - according to my dealer it was the first car in London at least) delivered to me in July 2017 it was a First Edition Velar. I loved the car - coming out of a RRS it was actually a better drive, a better looker and excellent in car tech with the dual screens etc. I went for the First Edition as I thought it would hold value better than the other variants but at £84k it was a big gamble.
JLR then decided to update the tech in the RRS and FFRR with the same internal dual screens and other tech (laser/LED lights etc) and as many on here have said earlier you can get a RRS AB for £80k so i struck a deal with my dealer and ordered the new RRS and gave my Velar back to them in October 2017. I did this as I thought the same - why would someone want a £85k Velar when they can have the big brother for less money!?!?!
Anyway my old Velar is still standing in my dealers showroom nearly 6 months from when I gave it to them - they have since dropped the price £8k lower than I gave it back to them for but they have still not been able to sell it!!!
Probably the best thing I did giving it back to them otherwise would have taken a real bath. I have seen brand new pre-reg First Editions on AT recently for £72k!
JLR fked up the marketing of this car - it should have been the RRS coupe (like the x5 and x6 BMW relationship) but for them to openly state it sits between the Evoque and Sport was a complete marketing fk up IMHO.
I have a RRS and was given a Velar for a couple of days to try and came to the conclusion that it did sit between the Evoque and Sport.JLR then decided to update the tech in the RRS and FFRR with the same internal dual screens and other tech (laser/LED lights etc) and as many on here have said earlier you can get a RRS AB for £80k so i struck a deal with my dealer and ordered the new RRS and gave my Velar back to them in October 2017. I did this as I thought the same - why would someone want a £85k Velar when they can have the big brother for less money!?!?!
Anyway my old Velar is still standing in my dealers showroom nearly 6 months from when I gave it to them - they have since dropped the price £8k lower than I gave it back to them for but they have still not been able to sell it!!!
Probably the best thing I did giving it back to them otherwise would have taken a real bath. I have seen brand new pre-reg First Editions on AT recently for £72k!
JLR f
ked up the marketing of this car - it should have been the RRS coupe (like the x5 and x6 BMW relationship) but for them to openly state it sits between the Evoque and Sport was a complete marketing fk up IMHO. It feels more like a car to drive so doesn't give you the RR feeling and the quality seems lower in the cabin,the screens are nice to look at but we had 4 inches of snow and using them with gloves wasn't great.
The screens give the new cars good showroom appeal but after a few drives when you have things set the way you want they seem to have cured a problem that wasn't there and with LR electrics maybe problems waiting to happen! (Door handles included).
My conclusion was its £10k overpriced and speaking to sales manager they are NOT selling like they had hoped!
Six Figs said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6YYun90S8g
Doug's review is pretty good, and I was skeptical but it does look good.
Worth watching purely to marvel at his pronounciation of ‘Vulaaaaaaaar’.Doug's review is pretty good, and I was skeptical but it does look good.
paul789 said:
Six Figs said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6YYun90S8g
Doug's review is pretty good, and I was skeptical but it does look good.
Worth watching purely to marvel at his pronounciation of ‘Vulaaaaaaaar’.Doug's review is pretty good, and I was skeptical but it does look good.
Granfondo said:
I have a RRS and was given a Velar for a couple of days to try and came to the conclusion that it did sit between the Evoque and Sport.
It feels more like a car to drive so doesn't give you the RR feeling and the quality seems lower in the cabin,the screens are nice to look at but we had 4 inches of snow and using them with gloves wasn't great.
The screens give the new cars good showroom appeal but after a few drives when you have things set the way you want they seem to have cured a problem that wasn't there and with LR electrics maybe problems waiting to happen! (Door handles included).
My conclusion was its £10k overpriced and speaking to sales manager they are NOT selling like they had hoped!
It did in Doug's video the whole screen system froze at the LR splash logo. The handles would be a constant worry with them not appearing (similar problem I think could be said for the Tesla setup as well).It feels more like a car to drive so doesn't give you the RR feeling and the quality seems lower in the cabin,the screens are nice to look at but we had 4 inches of snow and using them with gloves wasn't great.
The screens give the new cars good showroom appeal but after a few drives when you have things set the way you want they seem to have cured a problem that wasn't there and with LR electrics maybe problems waiting to happen! (Door handles included).
My conclusion was its £10k overpriced and speaking to sales manager they are NOT selling like they had hoped!
I just think some of this smoothing off is just doing for the sake of doing it and not really whether it is truly practical in the real world.
RSK21 said:
I’m a long standing LR customer and the Velar and Evoque aren’t for me, but I don’t feel the need to sneer at those for whom they are. As for First Edition hype, so what ? Once again it seems telling people they are stupid for a personal purchase decision seems more important to some PH members than discussing the merits of the car under discussion.
Exactly PH doesn't pay the bills. But that doesn't mean people cannot have opinions.
hyphen said:
paul789 said:
Six Figs said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6YYun90S8g
Doug's review is pretty good, and I was skeptical but it does look good.
Worth watching purely to marvel at his pronounciation of ‘Vulaaaaaaaar’.Doug's review is pretty good, and I was skeptical but it does look good.
TooMany2cvs said:
The Disco Sport is what used to be the Freelander...
IMHO the Disco Sport is a really good car.Mrs Digga is about to order her third successive Evoque - she had one of the very first. For her, it does it all; she does actually get some use out of the 4x4 as we're very hilly and rural and see more than average snow. She also often needs to be able to park up in typical (i.e. small, cramped and crap) British car parking spaces - railway station, airports, client's offices etc.etc. - so that rules out anything wider or longer. You [i]can[i/] get four adults into a Disco Sport or Evoque with ease, but they're not a PITA to find parking spaces for.
All very well and good saying 'you'd rather have a RRS'..... very few cars exist where you wouldn't rather have the model above.
The RRS starts at £62k. The Velar at £44k.....ergo the RRS is almost 40% more expensive.
Yes, the RRS starts with a bigger engine, but that totally misses the point. People that want the Velar are largely not bothered about engine size.
The Velar is selling, and of the owners I know, they've chosen it as it fits as the best solution in the range for their needs.
Despite it only starting deliveries in June/July, it still shifted over 10,000 units in Europe alone.
The RRS starts at £62k. The Velar at £44k.....ergo the RRS is almost 40% more expensive.
Yes, the RRS starts with a bigger engine, but that totally misses the point. People that want the Velar are largely not bothered about engine size.
The Velar is selling, and of the owners I know, they've chosen it as it fits as the best solution in the range for their needs.
Despite it only starting deliveries in June/July, it still shifted over 10,000 units in Europe alone.
TooMany2cvs said:
HannsG said:
The 7 seater Discovery is massive. The Five a seater looks much smaller in comparison. Or was it a Discovery Sport I saw today? God knows. There are so many versions
The Disco Sport is what used to be the Freelander...
So is that now in asending order,
Pratical Family SUV:
Freelander
Discovery sport
Discovery
Luxury:
Evoque
Velar
Range rover Sport
Range Rover
and then you have the Road Rovers coming at some point, erm called er Rovers? lol
Its as bad as 911's!
Edited by Icehanger on Monday 12th February 12:30
Icehanger said:
erm....hate to confuse that thinking but the new Freelander is additional to that and part of their baby range
So is that now in asending order,
Pratical Family SUV:
Freelander
Discovery sport
The what now? What did I blink and miss?So is that now in asending order,
Pratical Family SUV:
Freelander
Discovery sport
LR certainly seem to think the FL2 was replaced by the DiscoSport.
https://www.landrover.co.uk/vehicles/freelander-2/...
Even if they were going to launch a new sub-DS model, surely they wouldn't cock their carefully-considered branding* up by resuscitating a dead badge...
* - yes, this might be mildly sarcastic, but...
TooMany2cvs said:
Icehanger said:
erm....hate to confuse that thinking but the new Freelander is additional to that and part of their baby range
So is that now in asending order,
Pratical Family SUV:
Freelander
Discovery sport
The what now? What did I blink and miss?So is that now in asending order,
Pratical Family SUV:
Freelander
Discovery sport
LR certainly seem to think the FL2 was replaced by the DiscoSport.
https://www.landrover.co.uk/vehicles/freelander-2/...
Even if they were going to launch a new sub-DS model, surely they wouldn't cock their carefully-considered branding* up by resuscitating a dead badge...
* - yes, this might be mildly sarcastic, but...
Icehanger said:
hahah yup I was shocked when I read the autocar article, had to read it twice! "smaller vehicle to sit below the discovery sport in the leisure range"
...link...?It'd make sense - Mini Countryman/Q1 rival - but I very much doubt it'll have an FL badge.
Maybe they'll follow the XXXX-ROVER theory. PRAM-ROVER? TOWN-ROVER? Can't see 'em resuscitating CityRover, either...
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Monday 12th February 12:58
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