RE: Land Rover revives the V8 Defender
Discussion
RobEB said:
400 hp and 106mph top speed?? Utterly ridiculous, what idiot thought of this? Why give a s
t driving, crap handling stbox this kind of engine?
I wouldn't give 150 pence for one of these. Still, one for the boy racers who enjoy traffic light races.
Defenders handle better than most people realize due to the low center of gravity. Lets also not forget that this is a 2000kg car, so your only looking at 200hp per ton, which isn't massive.t driving, crap handling stbox this kind of engine? I wouldn't give 150 pence for one of these. Still, one for the boy racers who enjoy traffic light races.
Not a fun car to drive at anything over 80mph though,
It's way way overpriced too.
TooMany2cvs said:
skyrover said:
Defenders handle better than most people realize due to the low center of gravity.
The what?The CoG is anything but low - they simply don't have the grip to fall over.
It also means you don't want to roll one as the roof is shall we say... not very strong.
skyrover said:
TooMany2cvs said:
skyrover said:
Defenders handle better than most people realize due to the low center of gravity.
The what?The CoG is anything but low - they simply don't have the grip to fall over.
skyrover said:
The body is lightweight birmabright
Well, ally - except for all the steel bits. They haven't been Birmabright since the 70s, even before Birmetals went tits. Even before then, the grade of Birmabright was downgraded with the s2a.NOTHING on a Landy is "lightweight". Bits are bloody heavy, even on a light one, like a Series (which is only relatively unheavy because it doesn't have many bits). A Puma 90 has a lot more bits to be heavy, which is why it's damn near a third heavier than an 88" s3, and similar weight to a Disco Sport - 1750kg or so.
skyrover said:
which means they have very low COG compared to most 4x4's.
Ah...skyrover said:
It also means you don't want to roll one as the roof is shall we say... not very strong.
When my old man cocked up the stage notes and got in the way of the resulting rolling army s1, it wasn't the roof that caused the problems.skyrover said:
Defenders handle better than most people realize due to the low center of gravity.
They are indeed huge fun to rag around. My 90 has been lifted so the c.o.g is a little higher. However I get the feeling that one would not get too much warning before ending upside down. 
As for the OP Defender? way too much money.
another stupid move from LR,they were scrapping the Defender because it was way out of fashion,compared to other 4x4s,i.e. when big boys get in they either bump heads getting out the way of the doors shutting or have to open the windows and stick their arms out to allow the doors to shut.No cross axle diff locks so when in the the mud it sits and spins on one wheel on each axle,and now its £150 grand for a tub with more draughts than a winters day on the pier at Blackpool. Dream on LR you havent got a clue.
And yet plenty of people have been spending well over £100k on Defenders for years with the likes of JE and Twisted. Clearly a market. The drive train will clearly become an option on SVO customer restorations and the price tag clearly grabs good headlines for moving the brand up to its future price point.
shaggymachineman said:
another stupid move from LR,they were scrapping the Defender because it was way out of fashion,compared to other 4x4s,i.e. when big boys get in they either bump heads getting out the way of the doors shutting or have to open the windows and stick their arms out to allow the doors to shut.No cross axle diff locks so when in the the mud it sits and spins on one wheel on each axle,and now its £150 grand for a tub with more draughts than a winters day on the pier at Blackpool. Dream on LR you havent got a clue.
If they sell them all, your comment will look a bit daft, won't it.Thirsty33 said:
RoverP6B said:
Inevitable... but those wheels are awful. Can't they spare the Defender any of McGovern's bling? Something like this would be much more appropriate, surely... 
Personally, I'd want the proper Rover V8, or maybe an LS3 in a LWB, not the Jag motor...
+1 for the wheelsPersonally, I'd want the proper Rover V8, or maybe an LS3 in a LWB, not the Jag motor...
RoverP6B said:
Not really, at 150k you can sell any old ste with the right badge, the gullible will lap it up.
If it sells out then it isn't overpriced is it. te with the right badge, the gullible will lap it up.You wouldn't make a very good financial manager would you.
market says you could sell a car for £150k and they'd all sell out
you: "nah, that's overpriced, we'll sell them for £50k and make far less profit....but hey, it won't be overpriced, at least!"
E65Ross said:
If it sells out then it isn't overpriced is it.
You wouldn't make a very good financial manager would you.
market says you could sell a car for £150k and they'd all sell out
you: "nah, that's overpriced, we'll sell them for £50k and make far less profit....but hey, it won't be overpriced, at least!"
The point is what else you could buy for similar money, not that anyone that can raise £150k clearly isn't an idiot. Farmers aren't particularly intelligent.You wouldn't make a very good financial manager would you.
market says you could sell a car for £150k and they'd all sell out
you: "nah, that's overpriced, we'll sell them for £50k and make far less profit....but hey, it won't be overpriced, at least!"
Too Drunk to Funk said:
NomduJour said:
They can't all be so gullible, given that they can scrape together £150k for a toy.
Does seem to be ludicrously overpriced. The buyers may be assuming values are only going to go one way. I certainly wouldn't.
If you think about it, it’s going to be £20-25 to procure the base vehicle that is then going to be stripped and refurbed to new, parts replaced plus retrim etc. That part alone is quite a hefty labour and floor space cost. Of course Terry would be thinking of floor spaces as being free and labour being what the worker sees after tax and not remembering that there is a significant cost to the space and that the pay packets all need to factor in not just the taxes and contributions paid but also the allocated cost of the related labour such as HR and managers etc.
With the conversion, Terry is probably reckoning that the engines were already in the factory so are free and the same with the transmissions. But obviously they need to be commercially accounted for. How much is a ZF8 box? Or a V8 engine? You then have the higher cost labour of planning and executing how it will be fitted by engineers. Of course the ZF box needs to be mapped. Do you know how many hours that takes to get an appropriate map in? Terry probably thinks you just bolt it on and away you go.
And then there are all the other costs. The cost of establishing whether the product concept has a market, is viable and can be built. That isn't free labour. Terry might calculate it all while pissing out his previous pint into a stainless steel trough but for a company they need to do it properly. And then they’ve got to market them and sell them. Terry may well be happy with the ‘field of Dreams’ way of business, buildnit and they will come but on planet ‘Business’ you need to spend on marketing and sales. Whoever is picking up the phones needs to be paid.
And after all of that there is tax to be paid on every bit of it and you still have to factor in a suitable profit to make it all worth while and then pay tax on that. And all of that has to be amortised over just 150 vehicles and all knowing that if you don’t sell probably well over 100 you risk making a loss.
But then Terry’s surname is f
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