RE: Land Rover revives the V8 Defender
Discussion
Totally bonkers and awesome.
JLR should be applauded for doing this, any corporate that has the balls to do things differently with a sense of British inventiveness is OK by me.
Most of the bafflement seems to be from people who have no comprehension of the price sphere they are operating in. This isn't bought by people who need to rationalise their purchase against the monthlies for a Nissan CashCow. It's bought by people who will want the ultimate Defender from the company that built it originally. The price is merely an admin point on the procurement journey.
JLR should be applauded for doing this, any corporate that has the balls to do things differently with a sense of British inventiveness is OK by me.
Most of the bafflement seems to be from people who have no comprehension of the price sphere they are operating in. This isn't bought by people who need to rationalise their purchase against the monthlies for a Nissan CashCow. It's bought by people who will want the ultimate Defender from the company that built it originally. The price is merely an admin point on the procurement journey.
Too Drunk to Funk said:
The point is what else you could buy for similar money, not that anyone that can raise £150k clearly isn't an idiot. Farmers aren't particularly intelligent.
I've met plenty of farmers who could run rings around an LSE or Harvard-educated MBA in terms of business acumen. Being filthy stinking rich doesn't make you intelligent. Look at Donald fücking Trump, if you can bear to.£150k is inexcusable money for a Defender. Sorry, it just is. I don't care if they have sold out - frankly, JLR has sold out. £150k for a specced-out-to-the-max LWB Range Rover I could just about understand...
DonkeyApple said:
How much is a ZF8 box? Or a V8 engine? You then have the higher cost labour of planning and executing how it will be fitted by engineers. Of course the ZF box needs to be mapped. Do you know how many hours that takes to get an appropriate map in? Terry probably thinks you just bolt it on and away you go.
Firstly, they're buying the vehicles, on which they have already made a profit, secondhand. Secondly, I do not believe for one second that they will have devised a separate map for the gearbox for 150 cars. It'll be the same map as they use for the Range Rover V8 or the F-type SVR or somesuch.CS Garth said:
It's bought by people who will want the ultimate Defender from the company that built it originally.
Bugger that. It's a long way from the ultimate Defender. I would want either a period-look classic, or else if I'm going to be Hotblack Desiato, it's got to be bling. I want it to be a murdered-out 6-wheel-drive on lifted suspension, portal axles, a big sod-off snorkel, roll cage, trick dampers, tyre pressure control a la G63 AMG 6x6, enough high-intensity spotlights to illuminate a Disaster Area concert, and a heck of a lot more than 400bhp. A 7-litre LS9 stroker making 700bhp would be a start. Or perhaps an Aston Martin V12 for sheer exclusivity, assuming it'll fit (South African Defenders used to come with a 2.8 BMW straight-six, so length probably isn't an issue). In other words, something combining the sheer charisma of a Lamborghini LM002, the bats
t insanity of three driven axles, the capability of the aforementioned AMG, and the cachet of the LR Defender brand. Not something as half-arsed as a bog standard SWB 4x4 Defender, bought secondhand as a diesel, with a 400bhp V8 shoved in (like the supercharger won't fit...) and some McGovern Special chrome-and-black alloys bolted on.RoverP6B said:
£150k for a specced-out-to-the-max LWB Range Rover I could just about understand...
You are having a laugh, right?https://rules.config.landrover.com/jdxl/en_gb/l405...
TooMany2cvs said:
RoverP6B said:
£150k for a specced-out-to-the-max LWB Range Rover I could just about understand...
You are having a laugh, right?https://rules.config.landrover.com/jdxl/en_gb/l405...
TooMany2cvs said:
Range Rover Configurator said:
loudlashadjuster said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Range Rover Configurator said:
Before you hit the options list. Paint choices alone go up to £9,505 on top of that.
Now, that's not yer vanillla LWB FFRR. It is the 565bhp supercharged SVAutobiog. The cheapest LWB starts at a mere £113k. Equivalent spec (TDV8 Autobiog) is only £106k for SWB.
RoverP6B said:
Bugger that. It's a long way from the ultimate Defender. I would want either a period-look classic, or else if I'm going to be Hotblack Desiato, it's got to be bling. I want it to be a murdered-out 6-wheel-drive on lifted suspension, portal axles, a big sod-off snorkel, roll cage, trick dampers, tyre pressure control a la G63 AMG 6x6, enough high-intensity spotlights to illuminate a Disaster Area concert, and a heck of a lot more than 400bhp. A 7-litre LS9 stroker making 700bhp would be a start. Or perhaps an Aston Martin V12 for sheer exclusivity, assuming it'll fit (South African Defenders used to come with a 2.8 BMW straight-six, so length probably isn't an issue). In other words, something combining the sheer charisma of a Lamborghini LM002, the batst insanity of three driven axles, the capability of the aforementioned AMG, and the cachet of the LR Defender brand. Not something as half-arsed as a bog standard SWB 4x4 Defender, bought secondhand as a diesel, with a 400bhp V8 shoved in (like the supercharger won't fit...) and some McGovern Special chrome-and-black alloys bolted on.
You're missing a pretty big point here - this is an OEM car which has been properly durability tested, and comes with a warranty.t insanity of three driven axles, the capability of the aforementioned AMG, and the cachet of the LR Defender brand. Not something as half-arsed as a bog standard SWB 4x4 Defender, bought secondhand as a diesel, with a 400bhp V8 shoved in (like the supercharger won't fit...) and some McGovern Special chrome-and-black alloys bolted on.The engine isn't necessarily the difficult bit; the gearbox is. My current V8 Defender has been through about 4-5 of the 'expert' Land Rover tuners and it is still not like an OEM car. With respect, I think you are naive in what it takes to build a turn-key bespoke vehicle without economies of scale.
I like Defenders. I don't want a G Wagen, and certainly don't want to look like an Arab playboy. I look forward to getting mine and using it as a practical daily driver - sadly it looks like quite a wait thought.
DonkeyApple said:
You should have just uploaded a map from a different vehicle. Apparently it’s that simple. 5 minute job. You’ve clearly been talking to the wrong experts. Didn’t it cross your mind to go to someone who hasn’t clue how gearbox mapping works?
As said before - I do not believe for one moment that JLR have devised a bespoke map for 150 vehicles.Hmm... £150,000 eh?
One would hope that target owners for this will all decide that they've had enough of this rip-offery and not buy a single car, and leave JLR sitting on every single f**king one of them. There is no dignity or decency in this piece of attempted customer exploitation by JLR and they deserve all the bad press one hopes they will get.
One would hope that target owners for this will all decide that they've had enough of this rip-offery and not buy a single car, and leave JLR sitting on every single f**king one of them. There is no dignity or decency in this piece of attempted customer exploitation by JLR and they deserve all the bad press one hopes they will get.
corozin said:
Hmm... £150,000 eh?
One would hope that target owners for this will all decide that they've had enough of this rip-offery and not buy a single car, and leave JLR sitting on every single f**king one of them. There is no dignity or decency in this piece of attempted customer exploitation by JLR and they deserve all the bad press one hopes they will get.
Really not sure if people get what’s involved here - it isn’t a standard car rolling down a production line. One would hope that target owners for this will all decide that they've had enough of this rip-offery and not buy a single car, and leave JLR sitting on every single f**king one of them. There is no dignity or decency in this piece of attempted customer exploitation by JLR and they deserve all the bad press one hopes they will get.
By way of comparison, one of those silly G650 Landaulets would have cost you something like £660,000 (and, fairly obviously, they sold them all).
TooMany2cvs said:
RoverP6B said:
As said before - I do not believe for one moment that JLR have devised a bespoke map for 150 vehicles.
How many Project 7s did they build? How many Project 8s are they building?corozin said:
Hmm... £150,000 eh? One would hope that target owners for this will all decide that they've had enough of this rip-offery and not buy a single car, and leave JLR sitting on every single f**king one of them. There is no dignity or decency in this piece of attempted customer exploitation by JLR and they deserve all the bad press one hopes they will get.
Yep, agreed. At that price it should be a lot more special than it is (not to mention actually being new, not a pre-rusted diesel converted!).Why do people always react like this to cars like this? It isn't meant for us, it's meant for the people with 20+ investment cars sat in a heated garage. Don't see this as a car, see it as an investment. Like the even thought about it going on a farm, or being taken off road. The people buying this don't consider buying a Range Rover instead, because they probably already have a few of those, just like the guy buying the £40k 205 GTI doesn't care that he could have an S4 for the same price, they aren't cars, they're investments on a portfolio, nothing else.
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