Rare versions of common cars
Discussion
Agent XXX said:
culpz said:
Spotted a Phase 1 Clio 172 at my local Tesco on Monday. Don't see many of those around, either up for sale or out and about. So, i reckon there's not many of those left of the road.
Would a Clio Williams 1 fall into this category or is that more of a homologated special?
I don't think ph1 Clios were *that* rare at the time, maybe many have been written off turned into track cars and then written off. The Williams maybe a bit rarer?
There was a limited edition ph1, they were all green with I think BBS wheels and maybe an aluminium bonnet (or did all ph1 have that?) and shift lights.
I think Ph2 Cups are fairly common but there were a very few ph2 cups in silver. Aircon was I think a very rare option on Cups.
Not sure if the 182 ever came in a Gordini edition but the 197 did. Don't know if they were rare or any different to other RS Clios though.
172s and 182s prices are rock bottom at the moment, which might even see the numbers fall. I do wonder if they'll ever be future classics.
There was a limited edition ph1, they were all green with I think BBS wheels and maybe an aluminium bonnet (or did all ph1 have that?) and shift lights.
I think Ph2 Cups are fairly common but there were a very few ph2 cups in silver. Aircon was I think a very rare option on Cups.
Not sure if the 182 ever came in a Gordini edition but the 197 did. Don't know if they were rare or any different to other RS Clios though.
172s and 182s prices are rock bottom at the moment, which might even see the numbers fall. I do wonder if they'll ever be future classics.
AdeTuono said:
I love that! 
scarble said:
I don't think ph1 Clios were *that* rare at the time, maybe many have been written off turned into track cars and then written off. The Williams maybe a bit rarer?
There was a limited edition ph1, they were all green with I think BBS wheels and maybe an aluminium bonnet (or did all ph1 have that?) and shift lights.
I think Ph2 Cups are fairly common but there were a very few ph2 cups in silver. Aircon was I think a very rare option on Cups.
Not sure if the 182 ever came in a Gordini edition but the 197 did. Don't know if they were rare or any different to other RS Clios though.
172s and 182s prices are rock bottom at the moment, which might even see the numbers fall. I do wonder if they'll ever be future classics.
Rare at the time, no, but they are rare today. Again, Williams not that rare at the time, now they're typically worth a hell of a lot of money and are already in classic territory.There was a limited edition ph1, they were all green with I think BBS wheels and maybe an aluminium bonnet (or did all ph1 have that?) and shift lights.
I think Ph2 Cups are fairly common but there were a very few ph2 cups in silver. Aircon was I think a very rare option on Cups.
Not sure if the 182 ever came in a Gordini edition but the 197 did. Don't know if they were rare or any different to other RS Clios though.
172s and 182s prices are rock bottom at the moment, which might even see the numbers fall. I do wonder if they'll ever be future classics.
Yeah, that was the Ph1 Exclusive in Scarab Green. Never been a fan of those, if i'm honest. I believe all PH1's had aluminium bonnets.
No Gordini version for the 172/182. Decent 172 Cups are becoming rare.
I'm not quite sure on that last point. They do seem to vary. If you're after an enthusiast-owned example 182, which has been well cared for, maintained and loved, they are commanding premiums to about 3k and onwards. Considering that these are sensitive on servicing, it's probably the best bet.
I'm convinced they will become classics at some point. More so for decent PH1 172's and PH2 172 Cup's. 182 Trophy's are already there. Not sure about 182 Cup's, as they don't seem as popular, but i could be wrong.
In my youth, I started with a Lancia Beta HPE 1600, then moved up to a Lancia Beta Coupe 2000. Common in the day. I then had 1 of only 135 imported into the UK of a Lancia Volumex Coupe. (The Beta name was dropped). It had the 2l supercharged engine. Colour was gunmetal with Martini pinstriping. It appears only 7 left.
culpz said:
I'm honestly not sure as to exactly what the rules are on this thread, to be honest
Well, that in itself is an interesting debate I suppose. To me, I think it has to mean a low proportion.of that variant built, rather than it being a passenger pigeon of a car that has just vanished from the roads despite once being common.
Plus it has to be something actively different about the car, not just a colour or "special edition" type of deal. Like being one of a few hundred manuals when there's twenty thousand automatics, or having a combination of elements that you can't normally get (so where you can have a turbo version, all wheel drive, a manual gearbox etc easily enough, almost none of them came with all three).
InitialDave said:
culpz said:
I'm honestly not sure as to exactly what the rules are on this thread, to be honest
Well, that in itself is an interesting debate I suppose. To me, I think it has to mean a low proportion.of that variant built, rather than it being a passenger pigeon of a car that has just vanished from the roads despite once being common.
Plus it has to be something actively different about the car, not just a colour or "special edition" type of deal. Like being one of a few hundred manuals when there's twenty thousand automatics, or having a combination of elements that you can't normally get (so where you can have a turbo version, all wheel drive, a manual gearbox etc easily enough, almost none of them came with all three).
Combinations of colours and options aren't really different enough to qualify, it has to be mechanical differences (engine, transmission, suspension etc).
TurboHatchback said:
InitialDave said:
culpz said:
I'm honestly not sure as to exactly what the rules are on this thread, to be honest
Well, that in itself is an interesting debate I suppose. To me, I think it has to mean a low proportion.of that variant built, rather than it being a passenger pigeon of a car that has just vanished from the roads despite once being common.
Plus it has to be something actively different about the car, not just a colour or "special edition" type of deal. Like being one of a few hundred manuals when there's twenty thousand automatics, or having a combination of elements that you can't normally get (so where you can have a turbo version, all wheel drive, a manual gearbox etc easily enough, almost none of them came with all three).
Combinations of colours and options aren't really different enough to qualify, it has to be mechanical differences (engine, transmission, suspension etc).
PTF said:
TurboHatchback said:
InitialDave said:
culpz said:
I'm honestly not sure as to exactly what the rules are on this thread, to be honest
Well, that in itself is an interesting debate I suppose. To me, I think it has to mean a low proportion.of that variant built, rather than it being a passenger pigeon of a car that has just vanished from the roads despite once being common.
Plus it has to be something actively different about the car, not just a colour or "special edition" type of deal. Like being one of a few hundred manuals when there's twenty thousand automatics, or having a combination of elements that you can't normally get (so where you can have a turbo version, all wheel drive, a manual gearbox etc easily enough, almost none of them came with all three).
Combinations of colours and options aren't really different enough to qualify, it has to be mechanical differences (engine, transmission, suspension etc).
PTF said:
TurboHatchback said:
InitialDave said:
culpz said:
I'm honestly not sure as to exactly what the rules are on this thread, to be honest
Well, that in itself is an interesting debate I suppose. To me, I think it has to mean a low proportion.of that variant built, rather than it being a passenger pigeon of a car that has just vanished from the roads despite once being common.
Plus it has to be something actively different about the car, not just a colour or "special edition" type of deal. Like being one of a few hundred manuals when there's twenty thousand automatics, or having a combination of elements that you can't normally get (so where you can have a turbo version, all wheel drive, a manual gearbox etc easily enough, almost none of them came with all three).
Combinations of colours and options aren't really different enough to qualify, it has to be mechanical differences (engine, transmission, suspension etc).
AppleJuice said:
I offer an E60 550i SE manual (as seen on PH):
Fun Bus said:
Isn't that the car that was allegedly ordered as an automatic but arrived in error as a manual? The dealer ended up registering it as a demo?
<checks RE: Spotted: BMW 550i manual thread>Will_S said:
Interestingly, SC08ZHP was a cancelled customer order after the BMW dealer (Harry Fairbairn) specced it thinking the 550i was auto only. Therefore no automatic gearbox option was ticked, and it arrived as a manual.
The customer didn't want a manual one, cancelled the order, and a lot of money was lost reducing this to a price they could find a buyer for it at.
Yes, it is. The customer didn't want a manual one, cancelled the order, and a lot of money was lost reducing this to a price they could find a buyer for it at.
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