Bentayga attempted car jacking
Discussion
Gareth79 said:
I always lock my doors (wish the car would lock them automatically...) - passengers often say "what... why are you locking them?" then I explain the scenario of waiting at traffic lights, somebody walks up, opens the passenger door, takes my bag (or whatever) and walks off, or maybe gets in and asks for a wallet/phone/lift etc. It always gives them something to think about, hopefully next time they are stopped in traffic in a dodgy area they will be reminded and start a habit of locking.
A friend of mine used to have a Volvo with auto-locking doors except it locked them as you drove off then unlocked them all when halting at traffic lights and the like. Always struck me as the wrong way round! Willy Nilly said:
andyxxx said:
Paracetamol said:
Why feel the need to expose your wife and kids by putting them in such a hideous and ostentatious car in a city that is not generally that wealthy?
The Bentayga is all that is wrong in society and then put on four wheels
- and I am not saying that as a petrolhead or some sort of socialist..
What an idiotic statement.The Bentayga is all that is wrong in society and then put on four wheels
- and I am not saying that as a petrolhead or some sort of socialist.. It doesn't excuse people robbing others, but you have to protect yourself with a little common sense. Someone with a 200 grand ostentatious car is quite likely to draw more unwanted attention than the person behind them in the queue in a Hyundai.
This lady was indeed ‘saved’ because of the car she was in - most car windows would shatter on the first strike.
If we all followed this train of thought we would never see a nice/unusual/expensive car on the road again, but I do agree that the more unusual the car the more attention will be received.
andyxxx said:
Have you not considered that these scrotes attack because they have zero morals regardless of the car people drive? (see contributor at 10:26 - a similar incident and he wasn’t driving a flashy car)
This lady was indeed ‘saved’ because of the car she was in - most car windows would shatter on the first strike.
If we all followed this train of thought we would never see a nice/unusual/expensive car on the road again, but I do agree that the more unusual the car the more attention will be received.
this.This lady was indeed ‘saved’ because of the car she was in - most car windows would shatter on the first strike.
If we all followed this train of thought we would never see a nice/unusual/expensive car on the road again, but I do agree that the more unusual the car the more attention will be received.
they don't care. they'll steal anything of value because they feel entitled to and that society owes them free stuff
Dapster said:
HedgeyGedgey said:
Driver has a rather expensive rolex on their wrist, driving round in a 200k+ car. Chances they have enough cash to just make anyone dissappear off the face of the earth.
I love the idea that all the middle class lycra mums on the school run, will after 2 hoodies scratch their Bentayga, drive over to a rough boozer in the East End and recruit a couple of gangsters to sort their problems out. Most people on this earth would either have no clue, and certainly have no inclination to retaliate - it's not about whether you can afford it or not. 
k and richer than I could have imagined.Our kids got invited to a mansion in Mottram for a birthday party, wall to wall exotics, Bentley etc, 100 plus people there, caterers, inflatable lazerquest thing, bouncy castle, entertainers, fairground rides, £80 a bottle Change being served (Krug, I checked). The house was immense, not sure what they did but indoor and outdoor pools, tennis court, gym etc. Apparently the brother of the owner wasnt there as had gone to prison, heard recently the dad had as well. Another parent went round with a tag on as was involved in some heavy duty carousel fraud, despite marrying a wealthy girl and having much family wealth, never enough for some. Kerry Katona tried to get her brood in the one mine were at, head said no due to it causing disruption with paps,and probably because she was bankrupt most of the time.
Alderely Edge particularly has its fair share of "Businessmen", some arent that legit despite outward appearances, lived near one guy implicated but never convicted of three murders.
Most are just normal punters but there is a criminal element in every community, if you cross them, they will know people and not need to got an East End boozer.
MDL111 said:
captain_cynic said:
MDL111 said:
The issue I have is that in case I have an accident and am unconscious - eg in a lake/river, car on fire etc - people couldn’t get me out of the car quickly, which would also kinda suck ....
Edit: as I do not live in the UK anymore, I suspect the risk of the above is higher than the one of being car jacked. - well I hope so anyway ...
I believe this was covered in another thread, most auto-locking doors will automatically unlock when an impact is detected.Edit: as I do not live in the UK anymore, I suspect the risk of the above is higher than the one of being car jacked. - well I hope so anyway ...
Edited by MDL111 on Thursday 18th January 09:59
The driver smashed his window with his elbow to get his baby out, imagine being in that situation.
SimonTheSailor said:
They must be bloody good windows on that ?!
It would be tempting to at least knock them over but i'm sure they would sue you for injury and you would get at least GBH or ABH, if not attempted murder charge against you.
You lot are wet..... how do you think about the law at a time like that ??? you lot are wayyy to in love with man made laws than your own selves, thinking about the law may have gotten you killed...... they would have both been flat lined.... It would be tempting to at least knock them over but i'm sure they would sue you for injury and you would get at least GBH or ABH, if not attempted murder charge against you.
Scummy t
ts..... captain_cynic said:
ReaperCushions said:
Agreed. Unless I knew the person in the Bentley, then I'd have the same reaction the cam driver did. Sit back, the record for evidence and don't get involved.
To much risk of prosecution / personal injury for someone I didn't know. Harsh as that sounds.
Risk of personal injury yes, risk of prosecution... no.To much risk of prosecution / personal injury for someone I didn't know. Harsh as that sounds.
Self defence in the UK is based entirely on how much danger you felt you were in at the time. If someone is banging on your window with an axe or even a blunt instrument like a bat, it's pretty easy to say you felt your life was in danger and you did what you thought you had to to get out. Running over them to escape is perfectly acceptable (backing over them unnecessarily is not). The court wouldn't even have bothered touching it.
In reality, the Bentley driver did nothing. Likely because they panicked, which is a perfectly normal reaction.
Please read up on the laws in the UK from an accurate source (I.E. not the Daily Mail) before making such asinine statements.
BTW, this book is quite good at explaining it in simple terms. It was written by a lawyer who also practices martial arts/self defence.
UK Self-Defence Law: A Practical Guide to Understanding the Law of Defending Yourself - Kindle Edition
Dave Hedgehog said:
captain_cynic said:
ReaperCushions said:
Agreed. Unless I knew the person in the Bentley, then I'd have the same reaction the cam driver did. Sit back, the record for evidence and don't get involved.
To much risk of prosecution / personal injury for someone I didn't know. Harsh as that sounds.
Risk of personal injury yes, risk of prosecution... no.To much risk of prosecution / personal injury for someone I didn't know. Harsh as that sounds.
Self defence in the UK is based entirely on how much danger you felt you were in at the time. If someone is banging on your window with an axe or even a blunt instrument like a bat, it's pretty easy to say you felt your life was in danger and you did what you thought you had to to get out. Running over them to escape is perfectly acceptable (backing over them unnecessarily is not). The court wouldn't even have bothered touching it.
In reality, the Bentley driver did nothing. Likely because they panicked, which is a perfectly normal reaction.
Please read up on the laws in the UK from an accurate source (I.E. not the Daily Mail) before making such asinine statements.
BTW, this book is quite good at explaining it in simple terms. It was written by a lawyer who also practices martial arts/self defence.
UK Self-Defence Law: A Practical Guide to Understanding the Law of Defending Yourself - Kindle Edition
In simple terms if you think they posses a risk to life and injure them in removing the risk to life tough s
t to them. If they stop what there doing and no longer pose a risk then you must stop. You can’t wait for them to stop and then injur them. Only while they are in the act.
See two cases of robbery on a farm. One shot the guy in the back while running away. No risk to his life he got done for the shooting.
Second farmer shot a vehicle that was aimed at him when he confronted them and injured a scrote. No problem there was a risk to life.
Had he blocked the enterance it becomes slightly dodgy ground.
All I would say is farmer no 2 got a solicitor straight away and probably revived some good advice pointing him to the fact the two scrotes ‘erm.......drove at him and he ‘thought his life was in danger’.
If they were after jewellery than perhaps it was an inside job?
The scumbags couldn’t have been riding their mopeds carrying an axe and spotting a big shiny Rolex through the blacked out windows.
As everyone as said, in a situation like that you really don’t know what you’d do but it is fist clenching and blood boiling to watch the thing happen and see them get away! Even if they got caught, people of that kind would probably love it in jail, will make them think they’re harder and come out of prison as hero’s.
Also, I think the woman definitely sold her Bentley and probably bought an X5, I read what she said in an article saying it was probably because of the car, don’t think she’d want to put herself through that again! She also offered a £10,000 reward for the attackers. Interesting !
The scumbags couldn’t have been riding their mopeds carrying an axe and spotting a big shiny Rolex through the blacked out windows.
As everyone as said, in a situation like that you really don’t know what you’d do but it is fist clenching and blood boiling to watch the thing happen and see them get away! Even if they got caught, people of that kind would probably love it in jail, will make them think they’re harder and come out of prison as hero’s.
Also, I think the woman definitely sold her Bentley and probably bought an X5, I read what she said in an article saying it was probably because of the car, don’t think she’d want to put herself through that again! She also offered a £10,000 reward for the attackers. Interesting !
Dave Hedgehog said:
captain_cynic said:
ReaperCushions said:
Agreed. Unless I knew the person in the Bentley, then I'd have the same reaction the cam driver did. Sit back, the record for evidence and don't get involved.
To much risk of prosecution / personal injury for someone I didn't know. Harsh as that sounds.
Risk of personal injury yes, risk of prosecution... no.To much risk of prosecution / personal injury for someone I didn't know. Harsh as that sounds.
Self defence in the UK is based entirely on how much danger you felt you were in at the time. If someone is banging on your window with an axe or even a blunt instrument like a bat, it's pretty easy to say you felt your life was in danger and you did what you thought you had to to get out. Running over them to escape is perfectly acceptable (backing over them unnecessarily is not). The court wouldn't even have bothered touching it.
In reality, the Bentley driver did nothing. Likely because they panicked, which is a perfectly normal reaction.
Please read up on the laws in the UK from an accurate source (I.E. not the Daily Mail) before making such asinine statements.
BTW, this book is quite good at explaining it in simple terms. It was written by a lawyer who also practices martial arts/self defence.
UK Self-Defence Law: A Practical Guide to Understanding the Law of Defending Yourself - Kindle Edition
andyxxx said:
Willy Nilly said:
andyxxx said:
Paracetamol said:
Why feel the need to expose your wife and kids by putting them in such a hideous and ostentatious car in a city that is not generally that wealthy?
The Bentayga is all that is wrong in society and then put on four wheels - and I am not saying that as a petrolhead or some sort of socialist..
What an idiotic statement.The Bentayga is all that is wrong in society and then put on four wheels
- and I am not saying that as a petrolhead or some sort of socialist.. It doesn't excuse people robbing others, but you have to protect yourself with a little common sense. Someone with a 200 grand ostentatious car is quite likely to draw more unwanted attention than the person behind them in the queue in a Hyundai.
This lady was indeed ‘saved’ because of the car she was in - most car windows would shatter on the first strike.
If we all followed this train of thought we would never see a nice/unusual/expensive car on the road again, but I do agree that the more unusual the car the more attention will be received.
All this talk of "what I would have done" or "what an onlooker should have done" is just nonsense.
No one knows how they'll react until they're in that situation, it's why we practice for emergencies. The forces drill drill and drill, so they'll know what they're doing and react accordingly, makes it second nature.
I've surprised myself when it's something I've trained for, cursed when relying on others that've let me down (insufficient practise). And frozen when I should have done something.
No one knows how they'll react until they're in that situation, it's why we practice for emergencies. The forces drill drill and drill, so they'll know what they're doing and react accordingly, makes it second nature.
I've surprised myself when it's something I've trained for, cursed when relying on others that've let me down (insufficient practise). And frozen when I should have done something.
I was going to say, Pepper spray may be illegal but a big fk off can of de-icer in the door pocket isn’t and will probably hurt just as much.
I’m surprised no one has said yet but anyway, the correct way of dealing with the matter is - full left lock, into reverse, press accelerator pedal. Preferably then leave the car on top of the scroat until the police arrive, cry lots when they do “he had an axe officer I thought I was going to die”.
k off can of de-icer in the door pocket isn’t and will probably hurt just as much.I’m surprised no one has said yet but anyway, the correct way of dealing with the matter is - full left lock, into reverse, press accelerator pedal. Preferably then leave the car on top of the scroat until the police arrive, cry lots when they do “he had an axe officer I thought I was going to die”.
If that was me in that situation I would run them down with no compunction whatsoever. It's hard to tell from the video but it looks clear to the left, in a car which could mount a kerb I would do that, otherwise I would probably swerve forward to the right then reverse back, hopefully over the top of the scrotes. It would be completely justifiable as there is no way out to the right without crashing into someone and keeping moving is a valid way to ensure your safety, if the scum happen to get crushed in the process then it's a happy coincidence.
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