Mot changes 2018
Discussion
podwin said:
Krikkit said:
podwin said:
I am sick of having to hit the re-circ button because of polluting diesel vans, trucks and cars.
I hope the new tests will fail these vehicles like this discovery.
https://vimeo.com/269175192
That's oil smoke, so no it won't.I hope the new tests will fail these vehicles like this discovery.
https://vimeo.com/269175192
Slow said:
podwin said:
Krikkit said:
podwin said:
I am sick of having to hit the re-circ button because of polluting diesel vans, trucks and cars.
I hope the new tests will fail these vehicles like this discovery.
https://vimeo.com/269175192
That's oil smoke, so no it won't.I hope the new tests will fail these vehicles like this discovery.
https://vimeo.com/269175192
Teebs said:
Slow said:
podwin said:
Krikkit said:
podwin said:
I am sick of having to hit the re-circ button because of polluting diesel vans, trucks and cars.
I hope the new tests will fail these vehicles like this discovery.
https://vimeo.com/269175192
That's oil smoke, so no it won't.I hope the new tests will fail these vehicles like this discovery.
https://vimeo.com/269175192
TheFinners said:
If eml light on is now an MOT failure then you can say goodbye to the majority of ST170's on the road! Not quite sure how a sticky dual stage manifold is a serious/dangerous fault though, as is the case for mine... I'd better find a 'friendly' garage.
Why don’t you just fix it ? If your car has halogen projector lamps and you fit a good quality aftermarket HID kit with a sensible OEM colour temperature (4300k or whatever), and you ensure the beam cut-off is correctly aimed and there is no glare, will it fail? If it looks OEM, how will they expect every tester to know? They're surely not going to have encyclopedic knowledge of every car's options list!
If there's a crap 6000k kit fitted into the halogen reflectors of an old mk4 Golf then sure, that's fairly obvious.
If there's a crap 6000k kit fitted into the halogen reflectors of an old mk4 Golf then sure, that's fairly obvious.
Howard- said:
If your car has halogen projector lamps and you fit a good quality aftermarket HID kit with a sensible OEM colour temperature (4300k or whatever), and you ensure the beam cut-off is correctly aimed and there is no glare, will it fail? If it looks OEM, how will they expect every tester to know? They're surely not going to have encyclopedic knowledge of every car's options list!
If there's a crap 6000k kit fitted into the halogen reflectors of an old mk4 Golf then sure, that's fairly obvious.
Its always obvious. Aftermarket HID kids no matter how much you pay have obvious red/black wiring. Not only that but where are you going to put the ballasts? Its obvious they've been installed even if you do it need.If there's a crap 6000k kit fitted into the halogen reflectors of an old mk4 Golf then sure, that's fairly obvious.
Finally, MOT testers have experience on their side and know which cars did and didnt come with HIDs
EazyDuz said:
Its always obvious. Aftermarket HID kids no matter how much you pay have obvious red/black wiring. Not only that but where are you going to put the ballasts? Its obvious they've been installed even if you do it need.
Finally, MOT testers have experience on their side and know which cars did and didnt come with HIDs
I'm not so sure. Yes, you'll see a badly fitted HID kit in non projector headlights very easily. Finally, MOT testers have experience on their side and know which cars did and didnt come with HIDs
You won't see a well fitted HID (or LED) kit in projector headlights quite so easily. Wiring will be all taped up neatly, ballasts can be in the inner wings or under the headlights out of sight. Don't forget that they can't remove any covers etc during an mot. Some engine bays have very little space/access behind the headlights.
As for all testers knowing the spec of every car in the road? No chance.
Again, you'd know that a 1997 fiesta with non projector lights didn't have a HID option. What about cars that use projector headlights for most models but some trim levels have a hid option and some don't? Skoda octavia as one example.
DuraAce said:
I'm not so sure. Yes, you'll see a badly fitted HID kit in non projector headlights very easily.
You'd see it no matter how well it was fitted; the bulb itself is clearly different, and the start up behaviour of a HID bulb is quite obviously different to a halogen bulb.DuraAce said:
You won't see a well fitted HID (or LED) kit in projector headlights quite so easily. Wiring will be all taped up neatly, ballasts can be in the inner wings or under the headlights out of sight. Don't forget that they can't remove any covers etc during an mot. Some engine bays have very little space/access behind the headlights.
I wouldn't class HID bulbs in projector headlamps as "incompatible", though who knows what the official guidance on this is.DuraAce said:
I'm not so sure. Yes, you'll see a badly fitted HID kit in non projector headlights very easily.
You won't see a well fitted HID (or LED) kit in projector headlights quite so easily. Wiring will be all taped up neatly, ballasts can be in the inner wings or under the headlights out of sight. Don't forget that they can't remove any covers etc during an mot. Some engine bays have very little space/access behind the headlights.
As for all testers knowing the spec of every car in the road? No chance.
Again, you'd know that a 1997 fiesta with non projector lights didn't have a HID option. What about cars that use projector headlights for most models but some trim levels have a hid option and some don't? Skoda octavia as one example.
You're wishing now. If you want to keep HIDS, remove the bulbs at MOT, put halogens in, then after MOT put it back. Would take you 10 mins each time if your car was designed properly and isnt a front bumper removal job.You won't see a well fitted HID (or LED) kit in projector headlights quite so easily. Wiring will be all taped up neatly, ballasts can be in the inner wings or under the headlights out of sight. Don't forget that they can't remove any covers etc during an mot. Some engine bays have very little space/access behind the headlights.
As for all testers knowing the spec of every car in the road? No chance.
Again, you'd know that a 1997 fiesta with non projector lights didn't have a HID option. What about cars that use projector headlights for most models but some trim levels have a hid option and some don't? Skoda octavia as one example.
EazyDuz said:
Its always obvious. Aftermarket HID kids no matter how much you pay have obvious red/black wiring. Not only that but where are you going to put the ballasts? Its obvious they've been installed even if you do it need.
Finally, MOT testers have experience on their side and know which cars did and didnt come with HIDs
I'm not convinced. In my girlfriend's Auris, for example, there's a big plastic cover over the headlights under the bonnet, which the tester wouldn't be allowed to remove. It also has projector headlights. Finally, MOT testers have experience on their side and know which cars did and didnt come with HIDs
If I was to fit an HID kit, neatly mount the ballasts out of the way somewhere, use proper self-amalgamating tape to tidy the wiring, and aim the beam correctly in accordance with EC rules, is it really a given that any MOT tester is going to immediately fail it? About the only telltale sign would be the lack of headlamp washers and self-levelling, but not all cars with HIDs have them anyway.
I refuse to believe that any MOT tester is going to know the exact trim levels of every car available for sale.
Howard- said:
If I was to fit an HID kit, neatly mount the ballasts out of the way somewhere, use proper self-amalgamating tape to tidy the wiring,
As soon as they spot self amalgamating tape they would know something has been changed, no car manufacturers uses that to produce wiring looms.Irrespective you'd have to be blind or a bit daft not to realise they are HIDs the second you turn them on, they dont start up like halogens and even the low colour temperature HIDs dont look like halogens.
Howard- said:
I'm not convinced. In my girlfriend's Auris, for example, there's a big plastic cover over the headlights under the bonnet, which the tester wouldn't be allowed to remove. It also has projector headlights.
If I was to fit an HID kit, neatly mount the ballasts out of the way somewhere, use proper self-amalgamating tape to tidy the wiring, and aim the beam correctly in accordance with EC rules, is it really a given that any MOT tester is going to immediately fail it? About the only telltale sign would be the lack of headlamp washers and self-levelling, but not all cars with HIDs have them anyway.
I refuse to believe that any MOT tester is going to know the exact trim levels of every car available for sale.
I should imagine most mot testers would no what a hid bulb looks like when it starts up If I was to fit an HID kit, neatly mount the ballasts out of the way somewhere, use proper self-amalgamating tape to tidy the wiring, and aim the beam correctly in accordance with EC rules, is it really a given that any MOT tester is going to immediately fail it? About the only telltale sign would be the lack of headlamp washers and self-levelling, but not all cars with HIDs have them anyway.
I refuse to believe that any MOT tester is going to know the exact trim levels of every car available for sale.
And when there checking the beam on the beam tester, it’s not that difficult for someone that works in the trade, most hid will have headlamp washers fitted, there are only a minuscule amount that don’t and most of them will be scrap by now so yes most mot testers will no exactly what is going on
Howard- said:
I'm not convinced. In my girlfriend's Auris, for example, there's a big plastic cover over the headlights under the bonnet, which the tester wouldn't be allowed to remove. It also has projector headlights.
If I was to fit an HID kit, neatly mount the ballasts out of the way somewhere, use proper self-amalgamating tape to tidy the wiring, and aim the beam correctly in accordance with EC rules, is it really a given that any MOT tester is going to immediately fail it? About the only telltale sign would be the lack of headlamp washers and self-levelling, but not all cars with HIDs have them anyway.
I refuse to believe that any MOT tester is going to know the exact trim levels of every car available for sale.
By all means, If you think the tester won't notice the difference between this:If I was to fit an HID kit, neatly mount the ballasts out of the way somewhere, use proper self-amalgamating tape to tidy the wiring, and aim the beam correctly in accordance with EC rules, is it really a given that any MOT tester is going to immediately fail it? About the only telltale sign would be the lack of headlamp washers and self-levelling, but not all cars with HIDs have them anyway.
I refuse to believe that any MOT tester is going to know the exact trim levels of every car available for sale.
And this
Coupled with the blinding beam and slow start up, go for it. Worst case it fails and you have to go home and swap them out.
Howard- said:
Nowhere have I said that a tester won't be able to tell the difference between halogen and HID lights. I agree, it's obvious.
What's not always obvious, though, is whether it's aftermarket or not. That's my point.
And as has already been explained, you cant retrofit HIDs and fool someone who's job criteria requires him to check for retrofitted HIDs, no matter what Ebay shrinkwrap or tape you use. What's not always obvious, though, is whether it's aftermarket or not. That's my point.
rockin said:
jmorgan said:
This is going to be a gold mine for unscrupulous garages.
You may not be aware that the pass/fail statistics of test centres are routinely monitored by DVSA and it is highly likely any test centre which was inventing work would stick out like a sore thumb.All the mentions of "friendly" MOT centres etc. for DPF rand CAT removals and number plate passes and all that make me wonder how effective they are and will be. I fully expect the system to be abused but to what level. Are the controls cast iron tight?
Though it would be interesting to know what is in place to look after this and for example, Mr NoClue goes in with a newish car and the garage says the giggling pin on the laughing shaft has gone, major fail, how do you challenge this? Car stuck in the garage, car needed for work, I expect many to pay up.
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