RE: Range Rover V8 (L322): Spotted
Discussion
RobEB said:
Discs and pads all round is over £1000
I'm just off of the phone to a mate who bought a 200,000 mile L322, I told him he was bonkers, he sells caravans for a living and tows them all over the country to customers, he's owned it a year now, travelled 13000 miles, most of them lugging a caravan and, despite ZERO mechanical sympathy, nothing has gone wrong but, as said above, he's just paid his local indy exactly £1000 for new discs and pads.I'm mildly jealous but too scared to take the plunge.
cheddar said:
RobEB said:
Discs and pads all round is over £1000
I'm just off of the phone to a mate who bought a 200,000 mile L322, I told him he was bonkers, he sells caravans for a living and tows them all over the country to customers, he's owned it a year now, travelled 13000 miles, most of them lugging a caravan and, despite ZERO mechanical sympathy, nothing has gone wrong but, as said above, he's just paid his local indy exactly £1000 for new discs and pads.I'm mildly jealous but too scared to take the plunge.
Total costs over the last 32k miles has been under £1000 (excluding fuel + a £1700 gearbox rebuild which was known upon purchase).
I've been sat watching this for a few days now, trying to learn the L322 (and the X5/Touareg) to the extent I do for any car I've bought. It's odd, I hear so many stories about how unreliable they are and how expensive they are to run, then others that say how reliable they are and how little they've cost over x amount of miles.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Edited by aaron_2000 on Monday 22 January 01:42
cheddar said:
RobEB said:
Discs and pads all round is over £1000
I'm just off of the phone to a mate who bought a 200,000 mile L322, I told him he was bonkers, he sells caravans for a living and tows them all over the country to customers, he's owned it a year now, travelled 13000 miles, most of them lugging a caravan and, despite ZERO mechanical sympathy, nothing has gone wrong but, as said above, he's just paid his local indy exactly £1000 for new discs and pads.I'm mildly jealous but too scared to take the plunge.
But you know - Ranger Rover money pit, internet, pub talk, friend of friend, someone I know, oooh!
Cold said:
cheddar said:
RobEB said:
Discs and pads all round is over £1000
despite ZERO mechanical sympathy, nothing has gone wrongBut you know - Ranger Rover money pit, internet, pub talk, friend of friend, someone I know, oooh!
And thanks for the mintex link, I'll pass it on :-)
I had two P38s that I took from new to over 100k miles in a couple of years and loved them. I bought the diesel (Crap) version of this when they first came out - and had it 1 year and twice had the diff blow up on the motorway - no drive and having to cross over to hard shoulder - very scary !
Last time I ever bought a Land Rover product.
Last time I ever bought a Land Rover product.
I've known people with several L322s over the years and driven a few of those.
Same again with X5s, Toerags, Q7s and the like.
The people that could afford them and didn't just buy them because they were cheap had very little issues. Reliability in this case seems to be entirely dependent on the expectations and the wallets of those that purchase the vehicles. My old boss had a first year TD6, it was great when he bought it (PO was fastidious when it came to maintenance.) but the longer he had it, the more often he put 'Triangles' on the alloys and ignored the signs that the gearbox wanted attention the worse it got. His solution was to sell it at auction and buy a V8S Autobiography, you can imagine how that went.
Prior to this I knew a guy that had an early (55ish iirc.) Overfinch Supercharged V8. He had deep pockets at the time, the RR shared a garage with a 996 GT3 RS, E39 Alpina B10 V8 etc... and whilst he had those deep pockets and kept it serviced to within an inch of it's life it was great. Then he hit money troubles and started to skimp, the last service I remember it getting was paid for in 18" Alpina Softlines... Issues cropped up here and there and it just got worse.
I've come across the same thing with X5 owners though, I've known someone to skimp on a 3.0d and have nothing but headaches, but someone to look after their 4.4i with twice the mileage and have relatively trouble free motoring.
People just need to know what they're buying into.
Also, on 'sealed for life' gearboxes, only service them if they have been done previously/if the gearbox has done less than 100k miles. Material from the clutches in the box (iirc.) become 'part' of the fluid and servicing a box in that state can actually cause more issues than it will cure.
Don't talk to me about ZF though, I have a 5hp30 in my E34 and it's been nothing but trouble from day one...
I will say that the boss who had the 3.0d and V8S L322 also had a 64 plate Land Cruiser V8 which felt like more car in every way possible, I loved that thing.
Same again with X5s, Toerags, Q7s and the like.
The people that could afford them and didn't just buy them because they were cheap had very little issues. Reliability in this case seems to be entirely dependent on the expectations and the wallets of those that purchase the vehicles. My old boss had a first year TD6, it was great when he bought it (PO was fastidious when it came to maintenance.) but the longer he had it, the more often he put 'Triangles' on the alloys and ignored the signs that the gearbox wanted attention the worse it got. His solution was to sell it at auction and buy a V8S Autobiography, you can imagine how that went.
Prior to this I knew a guy that had an early (55ish iirc.) Overfinch Supercharged V8. He had deep pockets at the time, the RR shared a garage with a 996 GT3 RS, E39 Alpina B10 V8 etc... and whilst he had those deep pockets and kept it serviced to within an inch of it's life it was great. Then he hit money troubles and started to skimp, the last service I remember it getting was paid for in 18" Alpina Softlines... Issues cropped up here and there and it just got worse.
I've come across the same thing with X5 owners though, I've known someone to skimp on a 3.0d and have nothing but headaches, but someone to look after their 4.4i with twice the mileage and have relatively trouble free motoring.
People just need to know what they're buying into.
Also, on 'sealed for life' gearboxes, only service them if they have been done previously/if the gearbox has done less than 100k miles. Material from the clutches in the box (iirc.) become 'part' of the fluid and servicing a box in that state can actually cause more issues than it will cure.
Don't talk to me about ZF though, I have a 5hp30 in my E34 and it's been nothing but trouble from day one...
I will say that the boss who had the 3.0d and V8S L322 also had a 64 plate Land Cruiser V8 which felt like more car in every way possible, I loved that thing.
Edited by Loplop on Monday 22 January 10:03
On the £1000 brakes - surely anyone considering a 5 grand Range Rover changes their own brakes? If you have enough money to pay a dealer £1000 to change the brakes, you probably have enough money to buy a newer car.
I really don't get the idea of buying a cheap barge if you have to pay a garage to do everything. You might as well buy an expensive barge.
I really don't get the idea of buying a cheap barge if you have to pay a garage to do everything. You might as well buy an expensive barge.
I took one (TDV8) up to 186k miles @ about 30k / year - the more major faults included a turbo, and fuel pump at about 175k and alternator/battery at 80k and 160k. Only got rid of it as I was beginning to get concerned over reliability and needed to be certain I could get to clients - the perils of being on a daily rate.
I fully admit that other than making full use of the vast interior space in carting around a family of 5 on holidays its capabilities were very underutilised. It went properly off road a handful of times, when we were selling a garden nursery and adjacent fields, and was able to get up a couple of hills in the snow & ice where 2wd cars were struggling. Other than that it did nothing a normal car couldn't do (and yes, before anyone says so, I am sure a properly equipped car with winter tyres could have handled the snow just as well - or just one being piloted by any of the PH Driving Gods of course....)
Despite its faults I loved it and another would always be on my list of next cars - only changed as wanted 'something different' for a bit. I've never had a car that was as relaxing and comfortable to drive and as 'useful' in real-world driving.
I fully admit that other than making full use of the vast interior space in carting around a family of 5 on holidays its capabilities were very underutilised. It went properly off road a handful of times, when we were selling a garden nursery and adjacent fields, and was able to get up a couple of hills in the snow & ice where 2wd cars were struggling. Other than that it did nothing a normal car couldn't do (and yes, before anyone says so, I am sure a properly equipped car with winter tyres could have handled the snow just as well - or just one being piloted by any of the PH Driving Gods of course....)
Despite its faults I loved it and another would always be on my list of next cars - only changed as wanted 'something different' for a bit. I've never had a car that was as relaxing and comfortable to drive and as 'useful' in real-world driving.
This looks a good buy - especially as it has some service history and low miles for its age.
Although the drivers door looks slightly darker than the rear door (Or is it me?) - Possible "bash" at sometime?
As an owner of a 2010 MY L322 3.6 TDV8, for the last 2 years - Yes; They can be "unreliable!".
I bought mine with 60,000 on the clock, from a dealer with FSH from LR Guy Salmon / Harwoods etc. + 2 owners (inc. LR) from new.
Since my ownership; I've had to replace :- Alternator; Turbo hoses, "Widget on steering wheel for airbag light?"; Tyres, battery; EGR's...And including servicing, its probably cost me around £4000+ to date.
Going forward; Ive swithched to using a 4X4 specialist, as places like Harwoods are too expensive & "look" for things to do. Thewy also charge around £135/hr (against £60/hr for a good specialist)
However; I've decided to keep it, as lovely when nothing goes wrong on it & even if the turbo goes (circa £3500+), it will still be "cheaper" to replace that, than accept a low P/Ex price for something else - as it does everything I want from a car - and with a private plate - still looks "class".
In hindsight and after reading a blog on buying a petrol version, rather than a diesel version - I think they could be right?....
As above has shown; With no EGR's, No turbo hoses or DPF to worry about.....and around town it shows only marginally more mpg ( around 20/21) than a 5.0 Supercharged @ approx. 17mpg - And offset the extra fuel costs with no expense on "diesel items" that may go wrong?
My friend bought a 2007 petrol version, at the same time, for less money & has no problems like ive had with mine - so it could be the right thing to do?
Although the drivers door looks slightly darker than the rear door (Or is it me?) - Possible "bash" at sometime?
As an owner of a 2010 MY L322 3.6 TDV8, for the last 2 years - Yes; They can be "unreliable!".
I bought mine with 60,000 on the clock, from a dealer with FSH from LR Guy Salmon / Harwoods etc. + 2 owners (inc. LR) from new.
Since my ownership; I've had to replace :- Alternator; Turbo hoses, "Widget on steering wheel for airbag light?"; Tyres, battery; EGR's...And including servicing, its probably cost me around £4000+ to date.
Going forward; Ive swithched to using a 4X4 specialist, as places like Harwoods are too expensive & "look" for things to do. Thewy also charge around £135/hr (against £60/hr for a good specialist)
However; I've decided to keep it, as lovely when nothing goes wrong on it & even if the turbo goes (circa £3500+), it will still be "cheaper" to replace that, than accept a low P/Ex price for something else - as it does everything I want from a car - and with a private plate - still looks "class".
In hindsight and after reading a blog on buying a petrol version, rather than a diesel version - I think they could be right?....
As above has shown; With no EGR's, No turbo hoses or DPF to worry about.....and around town it shows only marginally more mpg ( around 20/21) than a 5.0 Supercharged @ approx. 17mpg - And offset the extra fuel costs with no expense on "diesel items" that may go wrong?
My friend bought a 2007 petrol version, at the same time, for less money & has no problems like ive had with mine - so it could be the right thing to do?
W12AAM said:
In hindsight and after reading a blog on buying a petrol version, rather than a diesel version - I think they could be right?....
As above has shown; With no EGR's, No turbo hoses or DPF to worry about.....and around town it shows only marginally more mpg ( around 20/21) than a 5.0 Supercharged @ approx. 17mpg - And offset the extra fuel costs with no expense on "diesel items" that may go wrong?
My friend bought a 2007 petrol version, at the same time, for less money & has no problems like ive had with mine - so it could be the right thing to do?
Can you remember the blog location?As above has shown; With no EGR's, No turbo hoses or DPF to worry about.....and around town it shows only marginally more mpg ( around 20/21) than a 5.0 Supercharged @ approx. 17mpg - And offset the extra fuel costs with no expense on "diesel items" that may go wrong?
My friend bought a 2007 petrol version, at the same time, for less money & has no problems like ive had with mine - so it could be the right thing to do?
Having desired a RR for many years, I acquired a 2.5 year old one of these back in 2008.
It remains, to this day, the least reliable vehicle I have ever owned. Everything from air suspension, fuel pump, window motors, paint issues, steering sensor and other significant electronic failures (headlights one night!) to the constant draining of new batteries and the door lock barrel pulling out when trying to unlock the car with a flat battery.
And that’s before the dealer ‘experience’ which was akin to visiting Carpetright on a bad day. Spurious bills, items added on, unauthorised work, bad advice and a proper battle to get anything covered under warranty. Oh, and no loan car!
Car spent more time off the road than on it and eventually went to WBAC for peanuts when it developed an engine bay fuel leak that the dealer refused to touch – just a week out of warranty.
Never, ever, again.
£5k to buy, £15k to run. (not including fuel).
It remains, to this day, the least reliable vehicle I have ever owned. Everything from air suspension, fuel pump, window motors, paint issues, steering sensor and other significant electronic failures (headlights one night!) to the constant draining of new batteries and the door lock barrel pulling out when trying to unlock the car with a flat battery.
And that’s before the dealer ‘experience’ which was akin to visiting Carpetright on a bad day. Spurious bills, items added on, unauthorised work, bad advice and a proper battle to get anything covered under warranty. Oh, and no loan car!
Car spent more time off the road than on it and eventually went to WBAC for peanuts when it developed an engine bay fuel leak that the dealer refused to touch – just a week out of warranty.
Never, ever, again.
£5k to buy, £15k to run. (not including fuel).
I generally don't like 4x4's but have a real soft spot for FFRR. I was looking at the BMW engine 4.4 with a view to running on LPG, but research on the L322 has put me of and steered me towards the post Jag 2006 on-wards cars. I ended up having to spend my money on the house but still keep on looking at the classifieds. I find myself torn between a 4.2sc or a tdv8, watching Harry's garages has done nothing to put me off only make me go and surf the classifieds again!
edward1 said:
I generally don't like 4x4's but have a real soft spot for FFRR. I was looking at the BMW engine 4.4 with a view to running on LPG, but research on the L322 has put me off and steered me towards the post Jag 2006 onwards cars. I ended up having to spend my money on the house but still keep on looking at the classifieds. I find myself torn between a 4.2sc or a tdv8, watching Harry's garages has done nothing to put me off only make me go and surf the classifieds again!
In my experience, a 2011 or 2012 TDV8 4.4 FFRR is a fine car and much more reliable than previous versions. Edited because I mis-read your post, sorry.
Edited by Brave Fart on Monday 22 January 14:38
I loved my old Range Rover - just as much as it loved fuel stations, specialist RR repairs and draining my wallet.
It was slow, thirsty, unreliable and ruinously expensive, but such a nice place to sit and drive. Manmaths didn't even come into it, it broke my heart and wallet many times.
I'd have another in a heartbeat.
It was slow, thirsty, unreliable and ruinously expensive, but such a nice place to sit and drive. Manmaths didn't even come into it, it broke my heart and wallet many times.
I'd have another in a heartbeat.
I ran a 2003 4.4V8 l322 for little over a year as a daily driver in 2016. I paid £5k for it. The same Giverny Green as the RR in the article.
Such a nice place to be and although a bit dated electronically I enjoyed the ownership. Cost me £300 for a squeaky rear bush and 8 hours of my life finding the cause of a discharging battery (rear amp had water ingress shorting the +12v and earth....). I imagine someone with no car knowledge would be taking it into garages to find the fault which could have proven costly... The pixels were going on the dash but again, not an expensive fix.
It had literally thousands of pounds worth of receipts from previous owners, gearbox / torque convertor / steering column / ignition barrel etc. etc.
Maybe I was lucky.
MPG is shocking. Terrible. what ever figure a seller tells you it does - half it.
Sold it 1 year later for £4900.
If the worst happens at £4-5K outlay they can be broken and the parts would be worth a fair bit especially if engine/gearbox are good. Recouping some cash.
The way I looked at it - if I had a year out of it and the worst happened and wasn't economical to fix then so be it. I would have "lost" £5K, but if I had leased a boring family mobile for the same period instead - I would have "lost" a similar amount of money in rent payments.
Such a nice place to be and although a bit dated electronically I enjoyed the ownership. Cost me £300 for a squeaky rear bush and 8 hours of my life finding the cause of a discharging battery (rear amp had water ingress shorting the +12v and earth....). I imagine someone with no car knowledge would be taking it into garages to find the fault which could have proven costly... The pixels were going on the dash but again, not an expensive fix.
It had literally thousands of pounds worth of receipts from previous owners, gearbox / torque convertor / steering column / ignition barrel etc. etc.
Maybe I was lucky.
MPG is shocking. Terrible. what ever figure a seller tells you it does - half it.
Sold it 1 year later for £4900.
If the worst happens at £4-5K outlay they can be broken and the parts would be worth a fair bit especially if engine/gearbox are good. Recouping some cash.
The way I looked at it - if I had a year out of it and the worst happened and wasn't economical to fix then so be it. I would have "lost" £5K, but if I had leased a boring family mobile for the same period instead - I would have "lost" a similar amount of money in rent payments.
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