The government have won. Selling my diesel for a petrol.....
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Ares said:
Look at the in gear times, that's a part insight into real world driving.
The D is 10% quicker, and thats on full throttle. Factor in normal driving and that advantage was significantly increased. I know. I had both before buying. I was only doing 11-12,000 miles per year, I didn't care about the mpg stats, the d was just the quicker, more refined, easier, better car to drive. And that before you look at the ability to do a 500+ mile round trip without filling up.
If the 640i had been even as good as the 640d, I'd have bought that instead.
In gear times. The D is 10% quicker, and thats on full throttle. Factor in normal driving and that advantage was significantly increased. I know. I had both before buying. I was only doing 11-12,000 miles per year, I didn't care about the mpg stats, the d was just the quicker, more refined, easier, better car to drive. And that before you look at the ability to do a 500+ mile round trip without filling up.
If the 640i had been even as good as the 640d, I'd have bought that instead.
Bingo!
What about that great Top Trump one...... 30-70mph in 4th?
Ares said:
Look at the in gear times, that's a part insight into real world driving. The D is 10% quicker, and thats on full throttle. Factor in normal driving and that advantage was significantly increased. I know. I had both before buying. I was only doing 11-12,000 miles per year, I didn't care about the mpg stats, the d was just the quicker, more refined, easier, better car to drive. And that before you look at the ability to do a 500+ mile round trip without filling up.
If the 640i had been even as good as the 640d, I'd have bought that instead.
Yeah, I had both engines too.If the 640i had been even as good as the 640d, I'd have bought that instead.
Did you even look at the link I posted, which shows there’s less than a second difference between the two, when aggregated across multiple magazine tests?
No. You know better.
Enjoy being right and winning the internet.gizlaroc said:
Ares said:
So where does torque fit in?
It is the figure you use multiplied by revs to get the figure that matters....BHP. Before we know it someone will mention in gear times.
gizlaroc said:
Ares said:
Look at the in gear times, that's a part insight into real world driving.
The D is 10% quicker, and thats on full throttle. Factor in normal driving and that advantage was significantly increased. I know. I had both before buying. I was only doing 11-12,000 miles per year, I didn't care about the mpg stats, the d was just the quicker, more refined, easier, better car to drive. And that before you look at the ability to do a 500+ mile round trip without filling up.
If the 640i had been even as good as the 640d, I'd have bought that instead.
In gear times. The D is 10% quicker, and thats on full throttle. Factor in normal driving and that advantage was significantly increased. I know. I had both before buying. I was only doing 11-12,000 miles per year, I didn't care about the mpg stats, the d was just the quicker, more refined, easier, better car to drive. And that before you look at the ability to do a 500+ mile round trip without filling up.
If the 640i had been even as good as the 640d, I'd have bought that instead.
Bingo!
What about that great Top Trump one...... 30-70mph in 4th?
t metric, no-one ever does 30-70 in 4th.Prinny said:
Ares said:
Look at the in gear times, that's a part insight into real world driving. The D is 10% quicker, and thats on full throttle. Factor in normal driving and that advantage was significantly increased. I know. I had both before buying. I was only doing 11-12,000 miles per year, I didn't care about the mpg stats, the d was just the quicker, more refined, easier, better car to drive. And that before you look at the ability to do a 500+ mile round trip without filling up.
If the 640i had been even as good as the 640d, I'd have bought that instead.
Yeah, I had both engines too.If the 640i had been even as good as the 640d, I'd have bought that instead.
Did you even look at the link I posted, which shows there’s less than a second difference between the two, when aggregated across multiple magazine tests?
No. You know better.
Enjoy being right and winning the internet.havoc said:
How did a generic thread about diesels degenerate into a pissing contest about the 640d (arguably the most atypical diesel going, but hey...)?!?
Yeah - you’re right. I apologise (in general).I had a long reply typed out, but, while checking over it before posting (as I always do), I found I didn’t even care enough, and I wrote it! I learned something today.
AreOut said:
Ares said:
st metric, no-one ever does 30-70 in 4th.
I don't understand "in gear" comparisons with these modern cars..90% of them are automatic and if you want to do manual shifts without downshifting then you probably don't care about acceleration anywayt metric, no-one ever does 30-70 in 4th.No one wants to have to ring the neck of a car just to move.
captainaverage said:
Still getting smoke out at every traffic light in an old banger (diesel turbo) as much as I can. Sue me.
You simply demonstrate the equivalent of hacking and gobbing on the street in Public, picking your nose and eating it, farting or burping loudly in a Restaurant, bad body odour, foul breath etc...
As such, you are likely guilty of any or all of the above. If that's how you choose to behave in Public, I guess that's your choice.
Coolbanana said:
You simply demonstrate the equivalent of hacking and gobbing on the street in Public, picking your nose and eating it, farting or burping loudly in a Restaurant, bad body odour, foul breath etc...
As such, you are likely guilty of any or all of the above. If that's how you choose to behave in Public, I guess that's your choice.
[miserable 'ard git]
I wish they'd get rid of them sooner to be honest. Up north we seem to have a ton of them, all tuned up with DPF deletes. Every day without fail I end up behind one of them and I'm breathing in all the black sooty **** that comes out the exhaust every time they boot it.
Doesn't help I drive a hot hatch, its like a red rag to a bull, they boot it even more to prove a point. I could probably overtake them if I could see past the smoke screen.
And don't even get me started on the school run mums who do 3 miles a day in there BMW X5s with tyres wide enough to run a lorry.
[/miserable 'ard git]
I wish they'd get rid of them sooner to be honest. Up north we seem to have a ton of them, all tuned up with DPF deletes. Every day without fail I end up behind one of them and I'm breathing in all the black sooty **** that comes out the exhaust every time they boot it.
Doesn't help I drive a hot hatch, its like a red rag to a bull, they boot it even more to prove a point. I could probably overtake them if I could see past the smoke screen.
And don't even get me started on the school run mums who do 3 miles a day in there BMW X5s with tyres wide enough to run a lorry.
[/miserable 'ard git]
stargazer30][miserable 'ard git said:
I wish they'd get rid of them sooner to be honest. Up north we seem to have a ton of them, all tuned up with DPF deletes. Every day without fail I end up behind one of them and I'm breathing in all the black sooty **** that comes out the exhaust every time they boot it.
Doesn't help I drive a hot hatch, its like a red rag to a bull, they boot it even more to prove a point. I could probably overtake them if I could see past the smoke screen.
And don't even get me started on the school run mums who do 3 miles a day in there BMW X5s with tyres wide enough to run a lorry.
[/miserable 'ard git]
Doesn't help I drive a hot hatch, its like a red rag to a bull, they boot it even more to prove a point. I could probably overtake them if I could see past the smoke screen.
And don't even get me started on the school run mums who do 3 miles a day in there BMW X5s with tyres wide enough to run a lorry.
[/miserable 'ard git]
breathe it all in... captainaverage said:
stargazer30][miserable 'ard git said:
I wish they'd get rid of them sooner to be honest. Up north we seem to have a ton of them, all tuned up with DPF deletes. Every day without fail I end up behind one of them and I'm breathing in all the black sooty **** that comes out the exhaust every time they boot it.
Doesn't help I drive a hot hatch, its like a red rag to a bull, they boot it even more to prove a point. I could probably overtake them if I could see past the smoke screen.
And don't even get me started on the school run mums who do 3 miles a day in there BMW X5s with tyres wide enough to run a lorry.
[/miserable 'ard git]
Doesn't help I drive a hot hatch, its like a red rag to a bull, they boot it even more to prove a point. I could probably overtake them if I could see past the smoke screen.
And don't even get me started on the school run mums who do 3 miles a day in there BMW X5s with tyres wide enough to run a lorry.
[/miserable 'ard git]
breathe it all in... kers out of my city the better. They're not designed to be there.cerb4.5lee said:
You do make very good points, I also think the 20d route is the way to go for frugality in the 1 and 3 series. Where the 20d engine doesn't make as much sense is in the 5 series though, and when I ran my E61 520d and E90 330d together for a while they both returned the same mpg.
For the 5 series with its extra bulk I feel it's better having the 30d engine working less hard, rather than the 20d engine working its pips off using more fuel.
I think whats even more interesting is the (lack of) weight difference between the e60 (not sure about e61 tbf) and the e90. For the 5 series with its extra bulk I feel it's better having the 30d engine working less hard, rather than the 20d engine working its pips off using more fuel.
I was quite surprised to find my M3 weighs near enough the same as our previous 530d yet feels so much lighter.
captainaverage said:
AC43 said:
I do. Every day. It fricking sticks of diesel outside my front door most morning. Sooner we get the fkers out of my city the better. They're not designed to be there.
Sticks? And has it got your name on it? kers out of my city the better. They're not designed to be there.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff