The government have won. Selling my diesel for a petrol.....
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There's no easy answer as all cars Petrol/Diesel/EV's have pollution issues, so it's more of an issue of which pollution people are really worried about.
What the government should be promoting is getting the public to buy the right car for their requirements, so what they should be saying if you're doing over 12k a year then a Diesel/Diesel Hybrid may well suit you, if you're doing between 6-12k a year then a Petrol/Petrol Hybrid below that then an EV (charging points permitting) should be where they look, but these should be guidelines not set in stone or pushing one form or another.
Again if the government or TFL are really interested in air quality then they need to address 20mph limits which is a speed at which all ICE vehicles have high pollution levels remove the plethora of traffic lights appear open up the cut throughs that are being systematically cut off, the 1/3 of carriageway space that has been lost (in the case of London) since TFL became in charge of roads & finally in terms of the roads the reduction of dual carriageway speeds for traffic leaving london.
Also the pollution coming from the AC units in London remains unchecked, the lack of a new Airport or extra runways means we have planes circling around London's skies.
The Hybrid buses only manage 20 miles of EV usage per day so they're an expensive smokescreen.
What the government should be promoting is getting the public to buy the right car for their requirements, so what they should be saying if you're doing over 12k a year then a Diesel/Diesel Hybrid may well suit you, if you're doing between 6-12k a year then a Petrol/Petrol Hybrid below that then an EV (charging points permitting) should be where they look, but these should be guidelines not set in stone or pushing one form or another.
Again if the government or TFL are really interested in air quality then they need to address 20mph limits which is a speed at which all ICE vehicles have high pollution levels remove the plethora of traffic lights appear open up the cut throughs that are being systematically cut off, the 1/3 of carriageway space that has been lost (in the case of London) since TFL became in charge of roads & finally in terms of the roads the reduction of dual carriageway speeds for traffic leaving london.
Also the pollution coming from the AC units in London remains unchecked, the lack of a new Airport or extra runways means we have planes circling around London's skies.
The Hybrid buses only manage 20 miles of EV usage per day so they're an expensive smokescreen.
nottyash said:
The problem is the Government have been misadvised completely.
They tax cars on one parameter and that is CO2.
Diesel cars have lower CO2 emmisions, but far higher particular and NOX for instance.
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Thanks to Al Gore, blair, East Anglia Climate Research Unit and the loud voices from the association of tree huggers.They tax cars on one parameter and that is CO2.
Diesel cars have lower CO2 emmisions, but far higher particular and NOX for instance.
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If only governments of the day can listen to all voices instead of just the loud ones.
ZX10R NIN said:
Also the pollution coming from the AC units in London remains unchecked, the lack of a new Airport or extra runways means we have planes circling around London's skies.
I read somewhere that the pollution caused by the container ships in Southampton docks was the equivalent of 20,000 cars. I have said this on many of these threads,this is not about pollution,it is about taxation.
Just enough so we will pay, but not enough to kill the golden goose.
nottyash said:
The problem is the Government have been misadvised completely.
They tax cars on one parameter and that is CO2.
Diesel cars have lower CO2 emmisions, but far higher particular and NOX for instance.
It has been proven to rot buildings, cause cancer and even asthma in kids in on the increase and still we continue to buy the horrible things.
Its criminal what the government get away with.
They tax me £520 a year for my WRX STI, which does about 5k miles a year.
Someone in a diesel is actually polluting the air far more than me doing 100k a year with very low tax, but based on CO2 alone my car is taxed more.
We are run by idiots. that are doing more harm to the environment.
No. NOx for EURO6 diesels is close to EURO6 petrols. Particulates?, best to research gasoline fine particulates.They tax cars on one parameter and that is CO2.
Diesel cars have lower CO2 emmisions, but far higher particular and NOX for instance.
It has been proven to rot buildings, cause cancer and even asthma in kids in on the increase and still we continue to buy the horrible things.
Its criminal what the government get away with.
They tax me £520 a year for my WRX STI, which does about 5k miles a year.
Someone in a diesel is actually polluting the air far more than me doing 100k a year with very low tax, but based on CO2 alone my car is taxed more.
We are run by idiots. that are doing more harm to the environment.
Mr2Mike said:
Pica-Pica said:
No. NOx for EURO6 diesels is close to EURO6 petrols.
Claimed or actual measured values? How many Euro6 diesels are on the road compared to all previous generations?Mr2Mike said:
Pica-Pica said:
No. NOx for EURO6 diesels is close to EURO6 petrols.
Claimed or actual measured values? How many Euro6 diesels are on the road compared to all previous generations?jjr1 said:
It is with a heavy heart after 25k miles in my BMW 430D over the last year, I have admitted the government were right and we should never have bought them damn soot churning b
d cars.
So last week and being a good proletariat; I bought a BMW M4 Competition pack. MPG is at 23 for the last 500 miles and Sainsbury's Super unleaded sales are at a record level but at least I am conforming.
Has anyone else converted?
Went the other way and sold a petrol car, bought a diesel. Instead of 33mpg I now get 53mpg. d cars.So last week and being a good proletariat; I bought a BMW M4 Competition pack. MPG is at 23 for the last 500 miles and Sainsbury's Super unleaded sales are at a record level but at least I am conforming.
Has anyone else converted?
LarsG said:
jjr1 said:
It is with a heavy heart after 25k miles in my BMW 430D over the last year, I have admitted the government were right and we should never have bought them damn soot churning bd cars.
So last week and being a good proletariat; I bought a BMW M4 Competition pack. MPG is at 23 for the last 500 miles and Sainsbury's Super unleaded sales are at a record level but at least I am conforming.
Has anyone else converted?
Went the other way and sold a petrol car, bought a diesel. Instead of 33mpg I now get 53mpg. d cars.So last week and being a good proletariat; I bought a BMW M4 Competition pack. MPG is at 23 for the last 500 miles and Sainsbury's Super unleaded sales are at a record level but at least I am conforming.
Has anyone else converted?
Not sure the governments policies have any bearing on our car buying habits.
jjr1 said:
LOL I have done it both ways in the last two months. Sold my Bmw 430D for an M4 and sold a petrol Mini for a Cayenne diesel.
Not sure the governments policies have any bearing on our car buying habits.
I think the dry in sales (and prices) of diesels suggests it has...or at least the media scaremongering has Not sure the governments policies have any bearing on our car buying habits.
Yup, did this back in 2016. Replaced a MK5 Golf TDI 140 with a MK5 Golf GTI
Admittedly it doesn't rank highly in the originality category, but it's a much smoother engine and has enough extra poke to make me happy for now. It was between the GTI and the MK3 Clio Sport and the GTI only clinched it due to the Clio I was after having been sold the same morning.
No regrets, however when the Golf dies, I'll be making sure I scratch that RenaultSport itch.
Admittedly it doesn't rank highly in the originality category, but it's a much smoother engine and has enough extra poke to make me happy for now. It was between the GTI and the MK3 Clio Sport and the GTI only clinched it due to the Clio I was after having been sold the same morning.
No regrets, however when the Golf dies, I'll be making sure I scratch that RenaultSport itch.
nottyash said:
The problem is the Government have been misadvised completely.
They tax cars on one parameter and that is CO2.
Diesel cars have lower CO2 emmisions, but far higher particular and NOX for instance.
It has been proven to rot buildings, cause cancer and even asthma in kids in on the increase and still we continue to buy the horrible things.
Its criminal what the government get away with.
They tax me £520 a year for my WRX STI, which does about 5k miles a year.
Someone in a diesel is actually polluting the air far more than me doing 100k a year with very low tax, but based on CO2 alone my car is taxed more.
We are run by idiots. that are doing more harm to the environment.
It was Labour being advised by the Green Party who started the incentives to move to diesel, not the current Tory government.They tax cars on one parameter and that is CO2.
Diesel cars have lower CO2 emmisions, but far higher particular and NOX for instance.
It has been proven to rot buildings, cause cancer and even asthma in kids in on the increase and still we continue to buy the horrible things.
Its criminal what the government get away with.
They tax me £520 a year for my WRX STI, which does about 5k miles a year.
Someone in a diesel is actually polluting the air far more than me doing 100k a year with very low tax, but based on CO2 alone my car is taxed more.
We are run by idiots. that are doing more harm to the environment.
Labour also introduced student tuition fees now everyone has a lifetime debt when they leave university, but that's another argument.
My WRX STI has the same engine as yours but I only pay £140 per year.
Edited by PK0001 on Monday 12th March 19:05
PK0001 said:
It was Labour being advised by the Green Party who started the incentives to move to diesel, not the current Tory government.
Labour also introduced student loans, now everyone has a lifetime debt when they leave university, but that's another argument.
My WRX STI has the same engine as yours but I only pay £140 per year.
Jeez....far be it from me to defend Labour, but I left university in 1994 and I had a student loan. Labour, thank fLabour also introduced student loans, now everyone has a lifetime debt when they leave university, but that's another argument.
My WRX STI has the same engine as yours but I only pay £140 per year.
k, didn't get into power until 1997.That said, Student Loans are a good thing. Tuition fees even more so.
/little bit of politics
Ares said:
That said, Student Loans are a good thing. Tuition fees even more so.
/little bit of politics
Definitely - but sadly they still don't seem to have made school-leavers stop and think about whether they really need to seek a degree in some obscure subject from a former polytechnic! /little bit of politics
Still at least they have to help fund it!
Anyway, next year the Government will change its mind and demonise petrol engines when they see CO2 levels rising and then change their view on diesels. Finally when they are not getting enough road tax through the door they will demonise electric cars and you will only be allowed to charge them between 2-3am in the morning.
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