RE: Focus RS owners offered 'free repair'

RE: Focus RS owners offered 'free repair'

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fido

16,840 posts

256 months

Monday 29th January 2018
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Nanook said:
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Ah gotcha - yep in terms of identifying the engine!

blade7

11,311 posts

217 months

Monday 29th January 2018
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fido said:
Nope, it's the space between the cylinders walls and external block. Open decked means there is no structural support except in two places - so with the Ford 2.3 engine - that's between adjacent cylinders.

fido

16,840 posts

256 months

Monday 29th January 2018
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blade7 said:
Okay maybe I was too narrow in my definition of open-decked - but the 2.3 RS is open-decked whatever definition we go with!

blade7

11,311 posts

217 months

Monday 29th January 2018
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InitialDave said:
blade7 said:
If you think only 'most have 16v' why don't you identify some 'runarounds' with 250 bhp that don't?
Audi RS3? BMW 140i? Previous generation Focus RS?
250 bhp?

InitialDave

11,977 posts

120 months

Monday 29th January 2018
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blade7 said:
250 bhp?
I assumed that was a lower limit. But those cars make at least that, without being 16v, while being based on a "normal" car, which I thought was the question.

blade7

11,311 posts

217 months

Monday 29th January 2018
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InitialDave said:
blade7 said:
250 bhp?
I assumed that was a lower limit. But those cars make at least that, without being 16v, while being based on a "normal" car, which I thought was the question.
2 of them have got 5 cylinder engines and the other 6 cylinders, and I wouldn't call any of them runarounds. This is going way of topic byebye

InitialDave

11,977 posts

120 months

Monday 29th January 2018
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blade7 said:
2 of them have got 5 cylinder engines and the other 6 cylinders, and I wouldn't call any of them runarounds. This is going way of topic byebye
They don't have 16 valves though, do they?

You asked a stupid question, you got a stupid answer.

Jdjd1

179 posts

76 months

Monday 29th January 2018
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Soon you won't be allowed out in public without 300bhp haha

fido

16,840 posts

256 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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blade7 said:
250 bhp?
Subaru WRX-S hatchback - 251bhp from 2.5l / 4 cylinders. It's not exactly slow but it's in a relatively low state of tune (running about half the amount of boost than an RS). I think it fits the 'shopping car' criteria.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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Ultrafunkula said:
liner33 said:
I'm not suggesting the open block is the issue but the fact remains some blocks have warped considerably necessitating replacement of the entire engine
But that could just be a result of the wrong head gasket being used, leading to HGF and the cylinder head warping. I'm not sure the engine design is fundamentally flawed, if it was it would definitely have been highlighted by now and Ford would be using the Mountune style closed deck block for the replacements.
I think you're being a bit optimistic there - IMHO what would likely really happen is Ford would quietly repair or replace the ones that blow up while telling nobody, hoping to get them all to survive out of the warranty period at minimal cost.

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

173 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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JimSuperSix said:
I think you're being a bit optimistic there - IMHO what would likely really happen is Ford would quietly repair or replace the ones that blow up while telling nobody, hoping to get them all to survive out of the warranty period at minimal cost.
I think that the fact that many (most maybe) have a 5 year warranty Ford are doing what they feel is correct to cure the problem.

They are not going to be "hoping" that 30k cars last 5 years or 60k miles. Whilst the cars are in and the bulk of the labour is costed they would want to do all they can to ensure that the cars don't need to return.

Also they are hardly repairing them "quietly". Almost all cars have been recalled which I think is actually quite a rare thing for ANY manufacturer to do.

liner33

10,704 posts

203 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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Ahbefive said:
I think that the fact that many (most maybe) have a 5 year warranty Ford are doing what they feel is correct to cure the problem.

They are not going to be "hoping" that 30k cars last 5 years or 60k miles. Whilst the cars are in and the bulk of the labour is costed they would want to do all they can to ensure that the cars don't need to return.

Also they are hardly repairing them "quietly". Almost all cars have been recalled which I think is actually quite a rare thing for ANY manufacturer to do.
I am pretty sure this is a service action rather than a recall but either way its been suggested that this alone will cost Ford around £10m , thats on top of the engines/HG/Heads already replaced, its a very big deal indeed

IanJ9375

1,470 posts

217 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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liner33 said:
I am pretty sure this is a service action rather than a recall but either way its been suggested that this alone will cost Ford around £10m , thats on top of the engines/HG/Heads already replaced, its a very big deal indeed
Sounds a lot until you see that revenue for RS sales in the UK alone would be £200m and for global sales probably over the £1billion (I used a rough avg of £34k for cars just for sts and giggles)

FocusRS3

3,411 posts

92 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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Still issues with these cars ? How cheap are they now ?

AlexRS2782

8,058 posts

214 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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FocusRS3 said:
Still issues with these cars ? How cheap are they now ?
Based on the gasket issue, I reckon WBAC must be offering at least £5k less than the £15k they offered previously last year*

  • if HumanDoing's posts last year are anything to go by hehe

Ultrafunkula

997 posts

106 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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IanJ9375 said:
Sounds a lot until you see that revenue for RS sales in the UK alone would be £200m and for global sales probably over the £1billion (I used a rough avg of £34k for cars just for sts and giggles)
Not to mention the increase in sales of future RS models through customer confidence that any issues would be properly addressed by Ford.

Maracus

4,289 posts

169 months

Wednesday 31st January 2018
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FocusRS3 said:
Still issues with these cars ? How cheap are they now ?
Private sales on AT from £22900.

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

173 months

Wednesday 31st January 2018
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FocusRS3 said:
Still issues with these cars ? How cheap are they now ?
Its just the same single issue finally being resolved. The cars are still holding value very well as expected.

FocusRS3

3,411 posts

92 months

Wednesday 31st January 2018
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Maracus said:
Private sales on AT from £22900.
Wow for the mk3 that’s cheap if not galactic mileage

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

173 months

Wednesday 31st January 2018
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FocusRS3 said:
Maracus said:
Private sales on AT from £22900.
Wow for the mk3 that’s cheap if not galactic mileage
2 years old, 27k miles, low spec and 271 miles from London. Does seem a bargain if not a Cat C/D. From new these cars varied in price due to spec and date of purchase from £29k-£36k.

If not a Cat car then it's lost £7k in 2 years, so it's done pretty good for a new car but also a pretty good used purchase at that price.