RE: Range Rover SV Coupe for Geneva

[So]

PhantomPH said:

NomduJour said:

So said:

How do you know which way up the wheel is, without taking your eyes off the scenery?

Quick glance at the wheel, if necessary, hasn’t yet seen me tumble to a fiery death (but to be fair, there isn’t so much hardcore extreme rock crawling in the shires).

I can see that it will be a huge issue for the owners of a limited-production £250k coupe though.

Which is exactly my point above - nobody in their right mind is using a new FFRR of any kind for 'extreme offroading'. And if they are, they are not using the right tool for the job.

You don't need to be extreme off-roading to want to know how to change gear.

When you're in a tight squeeze and the wheel could be any way up, the only way to know which paddle does what is to look down. It's unnecessary and silly.

This isn't just my opinion, by the way. The Land Rover Experience staff have said the same (off the record obviously) when I've been there.

The knob and paddles is a fashion thing and takes the Range Rover a step further towards being a Chelsea tractor.

I would also comment that on some Range Rovers the gates on the knob are very shallow and it's possible to go past where you want to be very easily.

[FWDRacer]

So said:

NomduJour said:

So said:

I've driven all the modern Range Rovers (since the P38) off road extensively. You clearly haven't; if you had, you'd understand what I said without me needing to explain it to you.

Assume you mean having to use the fixed paddles to change manually - haven’t found that particularly taxing.

How do you know which way up the wheel is, without taking your eyes off the scenery?

I do hope you green lane with the obligatory "One Wife. Livid" sticker.

[Pintofbest]

So said:

This isn't just my opinion, by the way. The Land Rover Experience staff have said the same (off the record obviously) when I've been there.

I have done the LR experience many times and have never heard this, I've also only ever seen them drive them in D and let the car figure the rest out.

[So]

Pintofbest said:

So said:

This isn't just my opinion, by the way. The Land Rover Experience staff have said the same (off the record obviously) when I've been there.

I have done the LR experience many times and have never heard this, I've also only ever seen them drive them in D and let the car figure the rest out.

That has not been my experience. They've always demonstrated Command Shift and it's been during that demo that the conversation has arisen about levers vs knobs. The last time, the instructor said he'd heard rumour that the knob was "thankfully going to be dropped" which was right before the newest iteration arrived still with the knob.

Edited by So on Wednesday 24th January 10:53

[So]

FWDRacer said:

So said:

NomduJour said:

So said:

I've driven all the modern Range Rovers (since the P38) off road extensively. You clearly haven't; if you had, you'd understand what I said without me needing to explain it to you.

Assume you mean having to use the fixed paddles to change manually - haven’t found that particularly taxing.

How do you know which way up the wheel is, without taking your eyes off the scenery?

I do hope you green lane with the obligatory "One Wife. Livid" sticker.

No, but I do use my Range Rover off road. Which 99% of people don't I suspect.

[AppleJuice]

FWDRacer said:

So said:

NomduJour said:

So said:

I've driven all the modern Range Rovers (since the P38) off road extensively. You clearly haven't; if you had, you'd understand what I said without me needing to explain it to you.

Assume you mean having to use the fixed paddles to change manually - haven’t found that particularly taxing.

How do you know which way up the wheel is, without taking your eyes off the scenery?

I do hope you green lane with the obligatory "One Wife. Livid" sticker.

[mrbarnett]

I find myself increasingly drawn to the Range Rover CSK

[PhantomPH]

So said:

FWDRacer said:

So said:

NomduJour said:

So said:

I've driven all the modern Range Rovers (since the P38) off road extensively. You clearly haven't; if you had, you'd understand what I said without me needing to explain it to you.

Assume you mean having to use the fixed paddles to change manually - haven’t found that particularly taxing.

How do you know which way up the wheel is, without taking your eyes off the scenery?

I do hope you green lane with the obligatory "One Wife. Livid" sticker.

No, but I do use my Range Rover off road. Which 99% of people don't I suspect.

And that clearly bothers you a great deal.

[JohnoVR6]

NomduJour said:

I can see that it will be a huge issue for the owners of a limited-production £250k coupe though.

I too have heard a ridiculously high figure for this thing - albeit slightly higher than what you've put there...

[bertie]

So said:

Torcars said:

As for the limited production run, surely if it sells - as it will - they won't waste all the R & D and make it a full production model.

Much to the chagrin of the people buying the "limited run". But then this is Land Rover.

So this car, is it the 2dr coupe one in Autocar rumoured to be £250k?

Lot of money if you ask me.

[jhonn]

bertie said:

So this car, is it the 2dr coupe one in Autocar rumoured to be £250k?

Lot of money if you ask me.

It IS a lot of money. I think we will see Range Rover getting ever more expensive and bespoke - it's a clever marketing ploy, the more expensive your product is (within reason) the more desirable and aspirational it will appear to be. People, (the 'right' sort of people), will always find a way to purchase one - got to have some way of distancing oneself from the hoi polloi.

[RacerMike]

So said:

Pintofbest said:

So said:

This isn't just my opinion, by the way. The Land Rover Experience staff have said the same (off the record obviously) when I've been there.

I have done the LR experience many times and have never heard this, I've also only ever seen them drive them in D and let the car figure the rest out.

That has not been my experience. They've always demonstrated Command Shift and it's been during that demo that the conversation has arisen about levers vs knobs. The last time, the instructor said he'd heard rumour that the knob was "thankfully going to be dropped" which was right before the newest iteration arrived still with the knob.

It's a preference thing, but I've done a lot of off roading in current Range Rover products, and know a number of the head trainers for LRE, and the general consensus that you should be leaving it in D and letting the car sort it out. In my experience, it generally will sort itself out fine, and if you need to resort to using the paddles, you could probably learn to be a little smoother and think a bit further ahead.

For sand driving in particular, we're actually told not to use Tip at all i the dunes during training...

[Murphy16]

Castellated bonnet? Do they mean clamshell?

[NomduJour]

No, they mean the raised (castellated) edges.

(What they definitely don’t mean in other press releases is “reductive”, though).

[aaron_2000]

Amazing, a 2 page argument on changing gear.

[Pintofbest]

RacerMike said:

It's a preference thing, but I've done a lot of off roading in current Range Rover products, and know a number of the head trainers for LRE, and the general consensus that you should be leaving it in D and letting the car sort it out. In my experience, it generally will sort itself out fine, and if you need to resort to using the paddles, you could probably learn to be a little smoother and think a bit further ahead.

For sand driving in particular, we're actually told not to use Tip at all i the dunes during training...

Yep, backs up my experience as above. The last one I went on the instructor even described the ATPC (All Terrain Progress Control) button as the 'ran out of talent button' where the car will even do the accelerator as well!

[luckystrike]

aaron_2000 said:

Amazing, a 2 page argument on changing gear.

In an automatic no less.

[anonymous-user]

So said:

No, but I do use my Range Rover off road. Which 99% of people don't I suspect.

You know that makes you the odd one out right?

There's always at least one proud Land Rover Owners Club member who appears on these threads when LR bring out a new model telling everybody how LR are doing it all wrong, how you have to be knee deep in mud in order to justify having one and how they wouldn't be seen dead in a new one.

Our Range will not be going off-road unless my wife takes an unexpected excursion on the school run or on the way to her hairdressers.

[So]

Pintofbest said:

RacerMike said:

It's a preference thing, but I've done a lot of off roading in current Range Rover products, and know a number of the head trainers for LRE, and the general consensus that you should be leaving it in D and letting the car sort it out. In my experience, it generally will sort itself out fine, and if you need to resort to using the paddles, you could probably learn to be a little smoother and think a bit further ahead.

For sand driving in particular, we're actually told not to use Tip at all i the dunes during training...

Yep, backs up my experience as above. The last one I went on the instructor even described the ATPC (All Terrain Progress Control) button as the 'ran out of talent button' where the car will even do the accelerator as well!

In fairness, 99% of the time I do let the car work it out. But that's not the point I was making.

If changes are going to be made, they should fundamentally improve the car. The rotary gear knob doesn't, it's a retrograde step. It makes command shift more difficult to use and increases the chances of going from D to Park instead of Reverse (admit it, RR drivers, you've all done it).

And don't get me started on keyless...

[StephenGalley]

SidewaysSi said:

JerryF said:

Great to see LR capitalising on its history.

A fitting reminder to the European lovers, where the luxury SUV format was born.

Woo hoo. Who gives a st where it was born?

Yeah, all politically correct cucks think like this.