RE: Range Rover SV Coupe for Geneva

[RacerMike]

So said:

In fairness, 99% of the time I do let the car work it out. But that's not the point I was making.

If changes are going to be made, they should fundamentally improve the car. The rotary gear knob doesn't, it's a retrograde step. It makes command shift more difficult to use and increases the chances of going from D to Park instead of Reverse (admit it, RR drivers, you've all done it).

And don't get me started on keyless...

Well....it doesn't improve the car in the one area that you're judging it. However it does improve the car in terms of cabin space, aesthetics and day to day functionality. Everything in a car is a compromise in some way, having to balance form, function and user expectation.

[So]

RacerMike said:

So said:

In fairness, 99% of the time I do let the car work it out. But that's not the point I was making.

If changes are going to be made, they should fundamentally improve the car. The rotary gear knob doesn't, it's a retrograde step. It makes command shift more difficult to use and increases the chances of going from D to Park instead of Reverse (admit it, RR drivers, you've all done it).

And don't get me started on keyless...

Well....it doesn't improve the car in the one area that you're judging it. However it does improve the car in terms of cabin space, aesthetics and day to day functionality. Everything in a car is a compromise in some way, having to balance form, function and user expectation.

Cabin space arguably yes. But day-to-day functionality? I don't agree.

[NomduJour]

Coin Slot. said:

Our Range will not be going off-road unless my wife takes an unexpected excursion on the school run or on the way to her hairdressers.

Err, why buy one then? You'd surely be better off in a fakey off-roader like an X5.

[anonymous-user]

NomduJour said:

Err, why buy one then? You'd surely be better off in a fakey off-roader like an X5.

Who am I to argue with the boss?

[Pintofbest]

So said:

Cabin space arguably yes. But day-to-day functionality? I don't agree.

It is good day to day though, despite spending 2 hours in mine a day I use the selector at the start and end of each journey only so 4 times and it is easy to use and not in the way plus it looks nice when it retracts when parked. It's hardly something you play with constantly as you drive is it?

[V8LM]

bertie said:

So said:

Torcars said:

As for the limited production run, surely if it sells - as it will - they won't waste all the R & D and make it a full production model.

Much to the chagrin of the people buying the "limited run". But then this is Land Rover.

So this car, is it the 2dr coupe one in Autocar rumoured to be £250k?

Lot of money if you ask me.

And someone said all sold.

[So]

Pintofbest said:

So said:

Cabin space arguably yes. But day-to-day functionality? I don't agree.

It is good day to day though, despite spending 2 hours in mine a day I use the selector at the start and end of each journey only so 4 times and it is easy to use and not in the way plus it looks nice when it retracts when parked. It's hardly something you play with constantly as you drive is it?

Day-to-day, multi-point turns are where it's lacking mostly, especially when in a hurry.

[MDL111]

wowman said:

It's supposed to pay homage to the original two-door Range Rover. Not a bad idea.

In the picture it looks like it's a four door.

...ehm...

Looks like 4 doors, which is a lot less interesting than 2 doors .... the definition of Coupe has been stretched a little of late though by the Germans ....

[RacerMike]

So said:

Day-to-day, multi-point turns are where it's lacking mostly, especially when in a hurry.

Considerably easier with the rotary shifter. All it needs is a tiny flick of your index finger and thumb with a tiny bit of brake pressure to move it one detent from D to R. Contrast that to shifting a giant auto stick through the gate and inevitably ending up in P....

[SpeckledJim]

Brynjaminjones said:

dandare said:

I thought that honour went to the Jeep Wagoneer, about 8 years before the Range Rover.
ETA: Sorry, seven years.

Edited by dandare on Wednesday 24th January 08:26

Came here to say this! (I own one)

PLEASEeee start an owners thread. I've got a huge thing for Wagoneers. Never been anywhere near one, but it's Want Level 11 for me.

(clearly MILES more luxurious than an early Range Rover...)

[Brynjaminjones]

SpeckledJim said:

PLEASEeee start an owners thread. I've got a huge thing for Wagoneers. Never been anywhere near one, but it's Want Level 11 for me.

(clearly MILES more luxurious than an early Range Rover...)

Will do soon!
Mine's a Final Edition 1991.
Where in the UK are you? More than welcome to take a look if you're passing by.

Sorry for off-topic.

[So]

RacerMike said:

So said:

Day-to-day, multi-point turns are where it's lacking mostly, especially when in a hurry.

Considerably easier with the rotary shifter. All it needs is a tiny flick of your index finger and thumb with a tiny bit of brake pressure to move it one detent from D to R. Contrast that to shifting a giant auto stick through the gate and inevitably ending up in P....

Not my experience.

[anonymous-user]

So said:

RacerMike said:

So said:

Day-to-day, multi-point turns are where it's lacking mostly, especially when in a hurry.

Considerably easier with the rotary shifter. All it needs is a tiny flick of your index finger and thumb with a tiny bit of brake pressure to move it one detent from D to R. Contrast that to shifting a giant auto stick through the gate and inevitably ending up in P....

Not my experience.

That's because you don't have a new shape though isn't it? You've been to an experience day and are basing your views on that aren't you?

I really don't think a car could be much easier to drive, I have to do a 3 point turn to get ours out of the drive and it really is as easy as above.

[oldtimer2]

dandare said:

JerryF said:

Great to see LR capitalising on its history.

A fitting reminder to the European lovers, where the luxury SUV format was born.

I thought that honour went to the Jeep Wagoneer, about 8 years before the Range Rover.
ETA: Sorry, seven years.

Edited by dandare on Wednesday 24th January 08:26

When originally launched in 1970 the Range Rover had a very functional, plain interior - plastic seats, rubber mats. It could hardly be described as luxurious. It evolved into more luxurious interiors in the early 1980s after the introduction of the 4 door version - and that was mostly in response to demands from owners - along with EFI and practical improvements like electrically adjustable wing mirrors. When it eventually came to be launched in the USA its price point was set well above the Jeep Wagoneer of the day.

[So]

Coin Slot. said:

So said:

RacerMike said:

So said:

Day-to-day, multi-point turns are where it's lacking mostly, especially when in a hurry.

Considerably easier with the rotary shifter. All it needs is a tiny flick of your index finger and thumb with a tiny bit of brake pressure to move it one detent from D to R. Contrast that to shifting a giant auto stick through the gate and inevitably ending up in P....

Not my experience.

That's because you don't have a new shape though isn't it? You've been to an experience day and are basing your views on that aren't you?

I really don't think a car could be much easier to drive, I have to do a 3 point turn to get ours out of the drive and it really is as easy as above.

Nope, I am on my second rotary shift Range Rover. Probably soon to be replaced by a 2018 model.

[anonymous-user]

So said:

Nope, I am on my second rotary shift Range Rover. Probably soon to be replaced by a 2018 model.

And you off-road it? I'm finding both hard to believe, fair play if you do but you're welcome to custard if you like.

[So]

Coin Slot. said:

So said:

Nope, I am on my second rotary shift Range Rover. Probably soon to be replaced by a 2018 model.

And you off-road it? I'm finding both hard to believe, fair play if you do but you're welcome to custard if you like.

Yes.

My current one was off road within days of delivery (new) and I was last off road four days ago.

I don't off-road for a pastime or anything. But I used to shoot, still live in the sticks and have to go places sometimes where there are no roads.

Unfortunately I didn't realise the need for custard when I was last out.

[anonymous-user]

V8LM said:

And someone said all sold.

no no no no no no no no that can't possibly be correct !

As with just about every LR product of late because the PH "never gonna buy one / it can't do what my bobtail Disco 1 does / did you know in Africa they only drive Landcruisers ? / the only people who buy these are ladies......and orange ones........from Cheshire.......and married to footballers" have spoken and therefore it will be a monumental flop.

[anonymous-user]

So said:

Yes.

My current one was off road within days of delivery (new) and I was last off road four days ago.

I don't off-road for a pastime or anything. But I used to shoot, still live in the sticks and have to go places sometimes where there are no roads.

Unfortunately I didn't realise the need for custard when I was last out.

As above fair play if you off-road yours, but I don't get your dislike of the switchgear, but then again I suppose I don't off-road mine so probably not best placed to comment.

Custard meaning a photo of a new Range up to its axles in mud.

[Ares]

Range Rover launches a new model, and even without any real details, it gets slagged off immediately.

Can't understand why the British Car Industry is screwed.


PS the Jeep Wagoneer was a station wagon, not an SUV. The Range Rover was the first to put the word Luxury into the 4x4/off-road/SUV market.