RE: Chevrolet Corvette C6: PH Used Buying Guide
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Strudul said:
AdeTuono said:
Strudul said:
AdeTuono said:
Strudul said:
LHD is the only reason I don't have a Vette. It just restricts the overtaking opportunities too much.
It really doesn't...
Your vision is impaired, that's not really up for discussion.
As such, you either have to drop back and / or wait for a bend, both restricting your options, plus you can't peep.
johnnnnnnyy said:
Still makes me laugh the LHD overtaking brigade putting their opinions forward whom generally don't own or spent a long time in a LHD car in the UK.
I'll give you my personal experience after driving them in the UK for 30 years. Past my test at 17, first car was a Corvette. Currently have a Corvette C6 Z06 in the garage (love them!). I also own RHD cars too.
Overtaking. Being honest on todays packed roads, I don't think many of us overtake as much as we did!
In LHD, going round left bend LHD has an advantage, right bend not so great...opposite applies to RHD. As other stated either stay back a little, or if closer take a peak on the inside, being careful and leaning across as you edge out.
Parking is a doddle, as you can look straight at the curb.
Car parks, I use a litter picker to grab ticket...and always puts a smile on the faces of toll operators.
Back to the Corvette Z06, absolute beast of a car. Being honest the interior is not that great, but I soon fixed that taking her to a trimer adding Alcantara and leather to seats, door panels and dash. Also changed the carpets. Completely changed the car feeling very high quality.
Thanks! I was starting to labour under the misapprehension that I am, indeed, a driving God. I'll give you my personal experience after driving them in the UK for 30 years. Past my test at 17, first car was a Corvette. Currently have a Corvette C6 Z06 in the garage (love them!). I also own RHD cars too.
Overtaking. Being honest on todays packed roads, I don't think many of us overtake as much as we did!
In LHD, going round left bend LHD has an advantage, right bend not so great...opposite applies to RHD. As other stated either stay back a little, or if closer take a peak on the inside, being careful and leaning across as you edge out.
Parking is a doddle, as you can look straight at the curb.
Car parks, I use a litter picker to grab ticket...and always puts a smile on the faces of toll operators.
Back to the Corvette Z06, absolute beast of a car. Being honest the interior is not that great, but I soon fixed that taking her to a trimer adding Alcantara and leather to seats, door panels and dash. Also changed the carpets. Completely changed the car feeling very high quality.
I approach driving my Z06 the same way that you do. With the Raptor I generally look over anything in front. With the '41, well, I rarely get up enough steam to pass anything.
irocfan said:
agreed - you do have to drop back a bit, which is not really a bad thing anyway, when the gap comes you've got enough torque and HP to get you round pretty sharpish. In other words, no problems worth speaking of with LHD
But assuming you have the same HP and T in a RHD car, you don't have to drop back as far, therefore less distance needs to be covered to overtake, ipso facto, LHD is more restrictive for overtaking.johnnnnnnyy said:
Overtaking. Being honest on todays packed roads, I don't think many of us overtake as much as we did!
In LHD, going round left bend LHD has an advantage, right bend not so great...opposite applies to RHD. As other stated either stay back a little, or if closer take a peak on the inside, being careful and leaning across as you edge out.
Packed roads are all the more reason to exploit every opportunity, hence my aversion to something that would hinder that.In LHD, going round left bend LHD has an advantage, right bend not so great...opposite applies to RHD. As other stated either stay back a little, or if closer take a peak on the inside, being careful and leaning across as you edge out.
Getting stuck behind something big (tractor, van, lorry), you'd have to hang back a lot and peeking requires you to be pretty much entirely on the opposite side of the road.
Edited by Strudul on Sunday 28th January 13:01
Strudul said:
irocfan said:
agreed - you do have to drop back a bit, which is not really a bad thing anyway, when the gap comes you've got enough torque and HP to get you round pretty sharpish. In other words, no problems worth speaking of with LHD
But assuming you have the same HP and T in a RHD car, you don't have to drop back as far, therefore less distance needs to be covered to overtake, ipso facto, LHD is more restrictive for overtaking.Strudul said:
irocfan said:
in truth though if half a car length makes all the difference in whether or not you can overtake you shouldn't be trying there anyway.....
I'd say it's a lot more than half a car length, but that can still be the difference between very safe, and not so safe.According to my super accurate 2-minute ppt diagram:
Visibility for:
RHD 1 car length back = LHD 2 car lengths back
RHD 2 car lengths back = LHD 4 car lengths back
However, if the car in front is positioned to the left of the road, and the car behind positions to the right of the road (but still remaining in lane), the RHD car gets a pretty much unrestricted view to the horizon.
(That doesn't work in reverse for LHD as although you can see into the distance, the car in front would create a huge blind spot, especially a larger vehicle).
Visibility for:
RHD 1 car length back = LHD 2 car lengths back
RHD 2 car lengths back = LHD 4 car lengths back
However, if the car in front is positioned to the left of the road, and the car behind positions to the right of the road (but still remaining in lane), the RHD car gets a pretty much unrestricted view to the horizon.
(That doesn't work in reverse for LHD as although you can see into the distance, the car in front would create a huge blind spot, especially a larger vehicle).
That's about the score, Ade. I don't know what cars these other guys are driving but in reality it's not difficult to find an overtaking opportunity when you have a 6 litre V8 in a relatively light sportscar. Huge grunt available at any speed, any gear, any time. Would it be even easier with RHD? Yes. Do I care? No. Why not? Because Corvette is by a country mile the world's leading V8 sportscar and sitting the wrong side is a very small p[rice to pay for the privilege of driving one. It's a properly engineered modern car at a sensible price. Works for me!
swerni said:
AdeTuono said:
Strudul said:
irocfan said:
in truth though if half a car length makes all the difference in whether or not you can overtake you shouldn't be trying there anyway.....
I'd say it's a lot more than half a car length, but that can still be the difference between very safe, and not so safe.The point is that you have more overtaking opportunities in a RHD car than a LHD one and everything else should be assumed to be the same. If you are going to change factors such as the driver or power, then the comparison is futile.
swerni said:
AdeTuono said:
Strudul said:
irocfan said:
in truth though if half a car length makes all the difference in whether or not you can overtake you shouldn't be trying there anyway.....
I'd say it's a lot more than half a car length, but that can still be the difference between very safe, and not so safe.
AdeTuono said:
That looks just like mine; did you have it in the UK?
BTW; I see you're now in Texas. I'm assuming oil-related. You're not related to Brian, are you?
Hello Ade, yes this is Stuart, Brian’s son. We met a good few years ago when you had your Camaro. Yup over in Houston now, chasing the beer tokens. Hope you’re wellBTW; I see you're now in Texas. I'm assuming oil-related. You're not related to Brian, are you?
Got the car over here in 2013 and had it up until the tail end of last year. The pic shows it on chrome wheels, (but they were the ones I used for track - easier to clean brake dust and rubber off of the chrome ones). It came on the same speed lines in silver.
The Le Mans blue really does look great on them.
I’ll have to pull the finger out and write a blurb on it in the readers car section. Absolutely loved the thing
Edited by 5tu Mac on Sunday 28th January 15:16
Strudul said:
According to my super accurate 2-minute ppt diagram:
Visibility for:
RHD 1 car length back = LHD 2 car lengths back
RHD 2 car lengths back = LHD 4 car lengths back
However, if the car in front is positioned to the left of the road, and the car behind positions to the right of the road (but still remaining in lane), the RHD car gets a pretty much unrestricted view to the horizon.
(That doesn't work in reverse for LHD as although you can see into the distance, the car in front would create a huge blind spot, especially a larger vehicle).
Move the LHD car towards the white line in the middle , suddenly it has same trajectory as RHD car. Visibility for:
RHD 1 car length back = LHD 2 car lengths back
RHD 2 car lengths back = LHD 4 car lengths back
However, if the car in front is positioned to the left of the road, and the car behind positions to the right of the road (but still remaining in lane), the RHD car gets a pretty much unrestricted view to the horizon.
(That doesn't work in reverse for LHD as although you can see into the distance, the car in front would create a huge blind spot, especially a larger vehicle).
Next time you're sitting in your own car, look at how close your passenger seat is, thats all the distance the car has to move over to see same view + a bit of neck stretching.
You also didn't take hills into consideration.
I appreciate you seem to have a grudge over LHD overtaking, if it was that dangerous LHD cars would be banned, and I would have walked from them 30 years ago.
Edited by johnnnnnnyy on Sunday 28th January 19:52
Edited by johnnnnnnyy on Sunday 28th January 19:53
Edited by johnnnnnnyy on Sunday 28th January 19:53
johnnnnnnyy said:
Move the LHD car towards the white line in the middle , suddenly it has same trajectory as RHD car.
Next time you're sitting in your own car, look at how close your passenger seat is, thats all the distance the car has to move over to see same view + a bit of neck stretching.
I'm sorry but that is BS. It's a nice, plausible theory but in practice, with modern car width and narrow roads it is not a matter of simply slightly leaning over or moving further away from the kerb. Unless you drive something like a VW Up! which is narrow and has almost no gap between the driver's and passenger seats (and no armrest) it is impractical and after a while exhausting. Especially if you end up behind a lorry on a typical single carriageway. I've done 10's of thousands of miles in "steering wheel on the wrong side" conditions and am talking from personal experience. Next time you're sitting in your own car, look at how close your passenger seat is, thats all the distance the car has to move over to see same view + a bit of neck stretching.
And the reason why LHD is not banned is because the number of cars is low and demand is almost non-existent, not because driving a LHD car in the UK isn't more risky.
8V085 said:
I'm sorry but that is BS. It's a nice, plausible theory but in practice, with modern car width and narrow roads it is not a matter of simply slightly leaning over or moving further away from the kerb. Unless you drive something like a VW Up! which is narrow and has almost no gap between the driver's and passenger seats (and no armrest) it is impractical and after a while exhausting. Especially if you end up behind a lorry on a typical single carriageway. I've done 10's of thousands of miles in "steering wheel on the wrong side" conditions and am talking from personal experience.
And the reason why LHD is not banned is because the number of cars is low and demand is almost non-existent, not because driving a LHD car in the UK isn't more risky.
I was talking about his diagram.. and yes many roads are this wide where my comment apply, and of course some roads are narrow when this wouldn't apply. And the reason why LHD is not banned is because the number of cars is low and demand is almost non-existent, not because driving a LHD car in the UK isn't more risky.
Wow. Hard work here.
The roads I'm usually on LHD makes little to no difference as far as I'm concerned. You're either sitting on one side of the car or the other. Sight lines are different but that's all I see. On say a left hand sweeper you can have clear sight up the inside in a LHD for an overtake which you wouldn't have with RHD. If you're in a LHD with enough power and travelling at a safe distance from the car in front overtaking is fine.
Whilst on the subject I'm claiming extra PH points for taking a UK driving test in a LHD car so yes I do have some experience of them.
Whilst on the subject I'm claiming extra PH points for taking a UK driving test in a LHD car so yes I do have some experience of them.
I'd be inclined to let it go. There's no point in arguing with people who won't drive LHD cars in the UK just because they may not be able to make an overtake one day.
At the end of the day they are just denying themselves the pleasure of owning gems like the E30 M3, Delta Integrale, Alfa SZ and yeah, Corvettes.
I do wonder whether they ever drive their RHD cars over in Europe though and if their inability to overtake Le Tracteur Francais rankles a bit if they do.
At the end of the day they are just denying themselves the pleasure of owning gems like the E30 M3, Delta Integrale, Alfa SZ and yeah, Corvettes.
I do wonder whether they ever drive their RHD cars over in Europe though and if their inability to overtake Le Tracteur Francais rankles a bit if they do.
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