RE: Mazda 6 MPS: Spotted
Discussion
V8RX7 said:
Fastdruid said:
Struggling to think of anything to replace it with that is as quick but equally decent to drive while also being practical.
Forester STi (or modified XT) or Impreza wagon seem the obvious choicesImpreza is off the list due to image problems. Which is somewhat of a shame as on paper it does seem a fairly obvious choice.
exgtt said:
dme123 said:
So rust prone, fragile, expensive and frequent servicing, all for BMW 330d performance and a four pot soundtrack.
PH sure does know how to pick a winner.
Could say the same about a standard Sapphire Cosworth.... PH sure does know how to pick a winner.
GravelBen said:
Fastdruid said:
Struggling to think of anything to replace it with that is as quick but equally decent to drive while also being practical.
Legacy GT is the obvious answer, but I guess would have to be a JDM import for you in the UK. Legacy 3.0R not far off for pace either though.Edited by Fastdruid on Thursday 1st February 00:22
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GravelBen said:
Legacy GT is the obvious answer, but I guess would have to be a JDM import for you in the UK. Legacy 3.0R not far off for pace either though.
Legacy SpecB even more rare than this model, get a remap on that and you will shock a few motorists, 0-60 on both cars is ~6.4s (without maps obv)IntriguedUser said:
Love the look, however I've heard horror stories regarding these engines being weak, some say not to apply full throttle below 3500 rpm? Not for me.
Certainly some people say that. I've not restrained myself like that though. Ours is stock however. IntriguedUser said:
Also the powerband seems quite weird, diesel like if you will, more so than other petrol turbos.
Er, no. Utterly nothing like a diesel. It's more like an old school turbo though in that there is a bit of lag. Not enough to ever be a problem but enough so you know it's turbo charged.
Fastdruid said:
GravelBen said:
Fastdruid said:
Struggling to think of anything to replace it with that is as quick but equally decent to drive while also being practical.
Legacy GT is the obvious answer, but I guess would have to be a JDM import for you in the UK. Legacy 3.0R not far off for pace either though.GravelBen said:
Fastdruid said:
GravelBen said:
Fastdruid said:
Struggling to think of anything to replace it with that is as quick but equally decent to drive while also being practical.
Legacy GT is the obvious answer, but I guess would have to be a JDM import for you in the UK. Legacy 3.0R not far off for pace either though.dme123 said:
exgtt said:
dme123 said:
So rust prone, fragile, expensive and frequent servicing, all for BMW 330d performance and a four pot soundtrack.
PH sure does know how to pick a winner.
Could say the same about a standard Sapphire Cosworth.... PH sure does know how to pick a winner.
Fastdruid said:
IntriguedUser said:
Love the look, however I've heard horror stories regarding these engines being weak, some say not to apply full throttle below 3500 rpm? Not for me.
Certainly some people say that. I've not restrained myself like that though. Ours is stock however. IntriguedUser said:
Also the powerband seems quite weird, diesel like if you will, more so than other petrol turbos.
Er, no. Utterly nothing like a diesel. It's more like an old school turbo though in that there is a bit of lag. Not enough to ever be a problem but enough so you know it's turbo charged.
Honestly, I am surprised by some of the responses here. The engine won the wards best engine design for many years, one of if not the first direct injection turbo with variable valve timing and the basis of the current Ecoboost range, they do run out of puff at the top end unless you help them breath but that is pretty standard for most turbo cars.
The chassis is a stiffened and balanced Mazda 6 / Mondeo, so already starting from a high point for a big saloon, but with a trick 4WD system and two mechanical diffs. Its not a caterham but contemporary reviews at the time compared it favorably to the Spec D scoobs and that was with the power deficit - a remap makes it a different animal entirely.
As to reliability and having to drive around things, if tuned badly (some bad maps out there) and you use cheap oil then yes they will go pop but I have run many 5-10yr old performance cars and by comparison my 6yrs with the MPS was easy and cheap. Use 98 RON+, change the oil every year and camchains every 4yrs and it should be reliable. I never worried about using full throttle from any revs or gears and mine got to 135k and 11yrs before it went pop.
I'll get off my soapbox in a moment but one last point, the NVH, material quality and build make it feel much more like an Audi than a jap box, jumping into a scoob really does feel like stepping back in time, horses for courses but its a notable difference.
The chassis is a stiffened and balanced Mazda 6 / Mondeo, so already starting from a high point for a big saloon, but with a trick 4WD system and two mechanical diffs. Its not a caterham but contemporary reviews at the time compared it favorably to the Spec D scoobs and that was with the power deficit - a remap makes it a different animal entirely.
As to reliability and having to drive around things, if tuned badly (some bad maps out there) and you use cheap oil then yes they will go pop but I have run many 5-10yr old performance cars and by comparison my 6yrs with the MPS was easy and cheap. Use 98 RON+, change the oil every year and camchains every 4yrs and it should be reliable. I never worried about using full throttle from any revs or gears and mine got to 135k and 11yrs before it went pop.
I'll get off my soapbox in a moment but one last point, the NVH, material quality and build make it feel much more like an Audi than a jap box, jumping into a scoob really does feel like stepping back in time, horses for courses but its a notable difference.
Gotcha2 said:
Honestly, I am surprised by some of the responses here. The engine won the wards best engine design for many years, one of if not the first direct injection turbo with variable valve timing and the basis of the current Ecoboost range, they do run out of puff at the top end unless you help them breath but that is pretty standard for most turbo cars.
The chassis is a stiffened and balanced Mazda 6 / Mondeo, so already starting from a high point for a big saloon, but with a trick 4WD system and two mechanical diffs. Its not a caterham but contemporary reviews at the time compared it favorably to the Spec D scoobs and that was with the power deficit - a remap makes it a different animal entirely.
As to reliability and having to drive around things, if tuned badly (some bad maps out there) and you use cheap oil then yes they will go pop but I have run many 5-10yr old performance cars and by comparison my 6yrs with the MPS was easy and cheap. Use 98 RON+, change the oil every year and camchains every 4yrs and it should be reliable. I never worried about using full throttle from any revs or gears and mine got to 135k and 11yrs before it went pop.
I'll get off my soapbox in a moment but one last point, the NVH, material quality and build make it feel much more like an Audi than a jap box, jumping into a scoob really does feel like stepping back in time, horses for courses but its a notable difference.
If you're not a member of the Facebook group then you'd see that pretty much 1 goes pop a week just about. The chassis is a stiffened and balanced Mazda 6 / Mondeo, so already starting from a high point for a big saloon, but with a trick 4WD system and two mechanical diffs. Its not a caterham but contemporary reviews at the time compared it favorably to the Spec D scoobs and that was with the power deficit - a remap makes it a different animal entirely.
As to reliability and having to drive around things, if tuned badly (some bad maps out there) and you use cheap oil then yes they will go pop but I have run many 5-10yr old performance cars and by comparison my 6yrs with the MPS was easy and cheap. Use 98 RON+, change the oil every year and camchains every 4yrs and it should be reliable. I never worried about using full throttle from any revs or gears and mine got to 135k and 11yrs before it went pop.
I'll get off my soapbox in a moment but one last point, the NVH, material quality and build make it feel much more like an Audi than a jap box, jumping into a scoob really does feel like stepping back in time, horses for courses but its a notable difference.
Oh, and 2 seconds to 60mph quicker with a remap? lol. They do the 60 sprint in around 5.5 seconds as it is, so 3.5 seconds to 60? The new junior supercar!
Is this engine the 2.3 DISI?
If so, its the same motor that's in my CX-7, and am I right in thinking the transmission is similar too?
If not, no need to read on.
If so, all these horror stories are news to me. We've had the car for 11 years from new. It needed a new Turbo after a few months, but since then it has been utterly reliable.
We kept it as our main car much longer than usual because we loved it. Its still in the family and proving to be brisk, reliable transport.
Apart from the turbo, nothing has gone wrong in 11 years. Suspension issues have been down to abuse - a crash.
No rust.
Its not going to be replaced until it dies.
If so, its the same motor that's in my CX-7, and am I right in thinking the transmission is similar too?
If not, no need to read on.
If so, all these horror stories are news to me. We've had the car for 11 years from new. It needed a new Turbo after a few months, but since then it has been utterly reliable.
We kept it as our main car much longer than usual because we loved it. Its still in the family and proving to be brisk, reliable transport.
Apart from the turbo, nothing has gone wrong in 11 years. Suspension issues have been down to abuse - a crash.
No rust.
Its not going to be replaced until it dies.
Torcars said:
If so, its the same motor that's in my CX-7, and am I right in thinking the transmission is similar too?
They are super 4x4s - even if they don't look like one. My uncle has had one for yonks - new Turbo and regular oil changes but otherwise low maintenance. I'm going to take it off him as when he replaces it with a CX-3.Torcars said:
Is this engine the 2.3 DISI?
If so, its the same motor that's in my CX-7, and am I right in thinking the transmission is similar too?
If not, no need to read on.
If so, all these horror stories are news to me. We've had the car for 11 years from new. It needed a new Turbo after a few months, but since then it has been utterly reliable.
We kept it as our main car much longer than usual because we loved it. Its still in the family and proving to be brisk, reliable transport.
Apart from the turbo, nothing has gone wrong in 11 years. Suspension issues have been down to abuse - a crash.
No rust.
Its not going to be replaced until it dies.
Go on the mps pages on facebook, you will see plenty of them. If so, its the same motor that's in my CX-7, and am I right in thinking the transmission is similar too?
If not, no need to read on.
If so, all these horror stories are news to me. We've had the car for 11 years from new. It needed a new Turbo after a few months, but since then it has been utterly reliable.
We kept it as our main car much longer than usual because we loved it. Its still in the family and proving to be brisk, reliable transport.
Apart from the turbo, nothing has gone wrong in 11 years. Suspension issues have been down to abuse - a crash.
No rust.
Its not going to be replaced until it dies.
A mate of mine has just moved all of another owners engine etc from one MPs (that was rotten, jack went through the body iirc) into a less rusty one. His own car he has had to build two engines for (currently awaiting time to build the second).
I'd only ever have one as a second car now and tbh they aren't special enough to have as a second car.
Torcars said:
Is this engine the 2.3 DISI?
If so, its the same motor that's in my CX-7, and am I right in thinking the transmission is similar too?
Yep. Almost identical. Things like the electronically controlled centre clutch are slightly different for example but I think that's more a case of ongoing updates. If so, its the same motor that's in my CX-7, and am I right in thinking the transmission is similar too?
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