RE: Prior Convictions: Till death do us part
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Would like to have seen this as a running pol but only one answer for me Porsche. They have rarely let me down with any product I've owned, driven or riden in. Only the 2006 Cayman S was a little of a disapointment as it was the first Porsche I've owned that felt slower rather than quicker than its performance figures due to its long gearing and slightly flat delivery.
treer00ts said:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Fiat yet. A bit of a left field choice, but they certainly have a large and varied back catalogue.
Though I'm pretty sure I'll just end up driving a 124 Abarth or Spider most of the time.
Good call.Though I'm pretty sure I'll just end up driving a 124 Abarth or Spider most of the time.
I think I could put up with a Fiat Dino Spider.
I've had three prolonged stints in there particular brands - Alfa Romeo (mainly flat 4's), Nissan (S14's) and MB (V8's).
MB have been by far my longest stint - I started in a C43 saloon in 2003. Changed that for a C43 Estate in 2006. That made way for an E500 Estate in 2010. Which was replaced by another E500 in 2017.
What with them and E55's/63's, CLS 55/ 63's, C63's and SL55/63's I think they've got all the bases covered.
MB have been by far my longest stint - I started in a C43 saloon in 2003. Changed that for a C43 Estate in 2006. That made way for an E500 Estate in 2010. Which was replaced by another E500 in 2017.
What with them and E55's/63's, CLS 55/ 63's, C63's and SL55/63's I think they've got all the bases covered.
How is anyone saying Porsche FFS - unless you're 20?
For most of the companies time in business they made two door, effectively two seat, beetle-based cars that given half-a-chance would take you at high speed into a tree backwards & kill you dead.
Hardly the sort of choice to cover - say - buying a wardrobe or taking the mother-in-law & her friend Agatha to bingo. They were the ultimate in automotive one-trick-ponies for the first 50 years of their existence, which as I say, unless your time on earth started in about 2000, isn't a lot of use in day to day life.
Hurruph.
For most of the companies time in business they made two door, effectively two seat, beetle-based cars that given half-a-chance would take you at high speed into a tree backwards & kill you dead.
Hardly the sort of choice to cover - say - buying a wardrobe or taking the mother-in-law & her friend Agatha to bingo. They were the ultimate in automotive one-trick-ponies for the first 50 years of their existence, which as I say, unless your time on earth started in about 2000, isn't a lot of use in day to day life.
Hurruph.
Easy, as I'd have gone for Porsche prior to making 4x4s & big saloons, they make even more sense now;
Classics, not exhaustive & in no particular order;
959
968 Club Sport
924 Carrera GT
911 2.7 RS
964 RS
356 Speedster
928 GTS
911 R
550
& the new stuff - which is great as you don't need to squeeze all the luggage for a family holiday in a 911:
Base model 4 cylinder Macan, in black on black with the standard wheels & no tinted windows - the closest you'll Porsche get to the take it, park it, leave it anywhere of a Golf GTI
Macan GTS
Cayman GTS
991.2 GT3
991.2 GTS
991.2 Targa
Hybrid Panamera ST
Cayenne (Turbo, hybrid or the S E-hybrid) - no shortage of luggage space
I think they have everything covered.
Fury1630 said:
How is anyone saying Porsche FFS - unless you're 20?
For most of the companies time in business they made two door, effectively two seat, beetle-based cars that given half-a-chance would take you at high speed into a tree backwards & kill you dead.
I think you're being a tad harsh. You're forgetting the two-door, effectively two-seat, Audi-based cars that sold a shedload in the 70s and 80s.For most of the companies time in business they made two door, effectively two seat, beetle-based cars that given half-a-chance would take you at high speed into a tree backwards & kill you dead.
Fury1630 said:
How is anyone saying Porsche FFS - unless you're 20?
For most of the companies time in business they made two door, effectively two seat, beetle-based cars that given half-a-chance would take you at high speed into a tree backwards & kill you dead.
Hardly the sort of choice to cover - say - buying a wardrobe or taking the mother-in-law & her friend Agatha to bingo. They were the ultimate in automotive one-trick-ponies for the first 50 years of their existence, which as I say, unless your time on earth started in about 2000, isn't a lot of use in day to day life.
Hurruph.
Because how many people wouldn't like to own a Cayenne for family duty, Panamera for daily driving, then a 911 Turbo or Cayman GT4 for fast driving? I just think you've not a clue. For most of the companies time in business they made two door, effectively two seat, beetle-based cars that given half-a-chance would take you at high speed into a tree backwards & kill you dead.
Hardly the sort of choice to cover - say - buying a wardrobe or taking the mother-in-law & her friend Agatha to bingo. They were the ultimate in automotive one-trick-ponies for the first 50 years of their existence, which as I say, unless your time on earth started in about 2000, isn't a lot of use in day to day life.
Hurruph.
TooMany2cvs said:
Fury1630 said:
How is anyone saying Porsche FFS - unless you're 20?
For most of the companies time in business they made two door, effectively two seat, beetle-based cars that given half-a-chance would take you at high speed into a tree backwards & kill you dead.
I think you're being a tad harsh. You're forgetting the two-door, effectively two-seat, Audi-based cars that sold a shedload in the 70s and 80s.For most of the companies time in business they made two door, effectively two seat, beetle-based cars that given half-a-chance would take you at high speed into a tree backwards & kill you dead.
aaron_2000 said:
Because how many people wouldn't like to own a Cayenne for family duty, Panamera for daily driving, then a 911 Turbo or Cayman GT4 for fast driving?
<puts hand firmly up>Out of all that lot, I could be tempted by a 911, but it certainly wouldn't be a recent one, and it'd be very unlikely to be a turbo. Even then, I can think of a myriad of more interesting choices for a fraction of the money.
TooMany2cvs said:
aaron_2000 said:
Because how many people wouldn't like to own a Cayenne for family duty, Panamera for daily driving, then a 911 Turbo or Cayman GT4 for fast driving?
<puts hand firmly up>Out of all that lot, I could be tempted by a 911, but it certainly wouldn't be a recent one, and it'd be very unlikely to be a turbo. Even then, I can think of a myriad of more interesting choices for a fraction of the money.
Where Porsche, Ferrari and so on miss out is something small, nimble, and easy to park. If I'm nipping down to the shops, I don't want to worry about the dip at the gutter, or slotting a wide car into a narrow space.
Once upon a time Porsche made such things (356, 914, 924/944/968), but then they spent 30 years making 911 derivatives, followed by a foray into SUVs. The Boxter / Cayman is a better size, but neither of them is exactly small
If we discount the present, then Lancia has a good chance to cover all bases:
- Stratos and Monte Carlo for some mid-engined supercar fun
- Delta Integrale: the hot hatch
- Thema 8.32: the supersaloon
- Flaminia / Aurelia / Fulvia: the small sportscar
- Ypsilon: the city car (not a great Lancia, but will do)
- SUV: These things don't belong on the road, and I don't intend to go off-roading, so I'd be happy to not have one.
Otherwise Alfa fits the bill perfectly, as others have said. Citroen and Renault also qualify, since both have some decent sportscars, large and comfortable family cars, hot hatches galore, and even SUVs and convertibles.
- Stratos and Monte Carlo for some mid-engined supercar fun
- Delta Integrale: the hot hatch
- Thema 8.32: the supersaloon
- Flaminia / Aurelia / Fulvia: the small sportscar
- Ypsilon: the city car (not a great Lancia, but will do)
- SUV: These things don't belong on the road, and I don't intend to go off-roading, so I'd be happy to not have one.
Otherwise Alfa fits the bill perfectly, as others have said. Citroen and Renault also qualify, since both have some decent sportscars, large and comfortable family cars, hot hatches galore, and even SUVs and convertibles.
Choice number one will definitely be Ford, as my lottery garage already has places reserved for many RS and Cosworth flavours.
Porsche have some attractive options, however lack the diversity in the back catalogue that Ford have. Same story for BMW.
If I were to ever emigrate to the US, I could imagine that Dodge would become my brand of choice, and Ford would fall well behind the Mopar and GM scene.
Porsche have some attractive options, however lack the diversity in the back catalogue that Ford have. Same story for BMW.
If I were to ever emigrate to the US, I could imagine that Dodge would become my brand of choice, and Ford would fall well behind the Mopar and GM scene.
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