RE: Jaguar Classic announces D-Type continuation
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Brilliant idea because.... at very posh sport car meet when some rich guy turns up to show off his £1m+ original 'D' Type everybody will now ask "'ere mate is that a replica then?". Exit one very pissed off owner.
And can you image the sneers if somebody tries to enter one at the Goodwood Revival or similar? They will be laughed at.
In other words it's the real Cobra versus the replica Cobra scenario. You know where people start tapping the bodywork to see if it's glass fibre.
BUT such cars will be hidden in private collections & driven within the grounds & motor circuits of grand estates, which makes the whole project a rather boring money making nonsense. .
And can you image the sneers if somebody tries to enter one at the Goodwood Revival or similar? They will be laughed at.
In other words it's the real Cobra versus the replica Cobra scenario. You know where people start tapping the bodywork to see if it's glass fibre.
BUT such cars will be hidden in private collections & driven within the grounds & motor circuits of grand estates, which makes the whole project a rather boring money making nonsense. .
WJNB said:
Brilliant idea because.... at very posh sport car meet when some rich guy turns up to show off his £1m+ original 'D' Type everybody will now ask "'ere mate is that a replica then?". Exit one very pissed off owner.
£1m+? That's these continuation's territory! Add a zero for an undisputed original...And, really, that's been the case since the early D-rep kits in the 80s. A good kit rep is probably only £100k+...
coppice said:
Oh FFS , another cynical cash cow to be milked. A special edition for Octane reading oligarchs. Lovely cars in period and still great to watch on track but thank God some car firms still look ahead and don't obsess about their past.
Jaguar? FormulaE Jaguar, i-Pace jaguar. yeah, bloody dinosaurs...aeropilot said:
VanquishRider said:
They can and they will be registered:
They can't be and won't be.But it'll involve substantial modifications to meet current standards, not least because the mechanicals are all brand new. If they were using 1950s engines, then they'd (currently) only have to meet 50s emissions regs - nice big carbs and no cat? No problem! But they're 2018-built engines, so 2018 emission regs.
I wonder how you'd get an XK on big webers to meet Euro6...?
TooMany2cvs said:
aeropilot said:
VanquishRider said:
They can and they will be registered:
They can't be and won't be.But it'll involve substantial modifications to meet current standards, not least because the mechanicals are all brand new. If they were using 1950s engines, then they'd (currently) only have to meet 50s emissions regs - nice big carbs and no cat? No problem! But they're 2018-built engines, so 2018 emission regs.
I wonder how you'd get an XK on big webers to meet Euro6...?
You couldn't put it through BIVA for the same reason.
Now, its possible that some my be heading to a less onerously regulated country where it might be possible to get one road registered, but, there's a 99.9% certainty that none will be registered in the UK/EU and USA/Canada/Australia/Japan etc.
unsprung said:
Enough of this lace doily stuff.
Let's have an exact reproduction Ford Capri Mk III. Thousands of them and in all the shouty colours like orange, yellow, and lime.
Ooh yes, I'd love to be able to buy a new MKIII Capri, but not in a shouty colour - unless it was red! Let's have an exact reproduction Ford Capri Mk III. Thousands of them and in all the shouty colours like orange, yellow, and lime.
And ideally with a Coyote V8 engine, but none of the mods done by Goblin Works Garage the other night - Yuk!
Dapster said:
PhantomPH said:
dinkel said:
A 300SL recreation would be most welcome.
THIS!Absolutely factory faithful nut and bolt restos that will be as good as brand new. Re manufactured parts to factory spec too.
https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mercedes-benz/cla...
I'm sure the world is a better place with those real cars here and there. Look at this:
There's no DTM or other modern racer offering more thrill.
If the replica companies can get there versions road legal then no reason owners of these d types could not do the same via third party.
Look at Lazante and the P1 GTR for example.
MG did the same with the 6R4, sold them as virtually complete kit cars to get past type approval, then the buyers finished them and put them on the road. Pre IVA granted.
With regards emissions, the engines no doubt will have continuation engine numbers from the same period, so it could be argued they are brand new old stock so they could well only have to meet the basic regs from that period as I believe emissions are based on the age of the motor?
No different to fitting a brand new pre 92 engine into a kit car etc. Worse case, fit an old period jag 6 cylinder to get it through the test then "oh no its just seized up, oh well I have a spare brand new one here doing nothing"!
Look at Lazante and the P1 GTR for example.
MG did the same with the 6R4, sold them as virtually complete kit cars to get past type approval, then the buyers finished them and put them on the road. Pre IVA granted.
With regards emissions, the engines no doubt will have continuation engine numbers from the same period, so it could be argued they are brand new old stock so they could well only have to meet the basic regs from that period as I believe emissions are based on the age of the motor?
No different to fitting a brand new pre 92 engine into a kit car etc. Worse case, fit an old period jag 6 cylinder to get it through the test then "oh no its just seized up, oh well I have a spare brand new one here doing nothing"!
Edited by PAUL500 on Friday 9th February 10:33
sumpoil said:
I assume the XJ13 will be the next one for similar treatment? .... complete with quad-cam V12 you would imagine. I shudder to think how much they would be charging for one of those!
I doubt it, that car is unique, plus its still owned by Jag, they would be devaluing their own priceless asset by building more.PAUL500 said:
If the replica companies can get there versions road legal then no reason owners of these d types could not do the same via third party.
Nope.For a start, the replicas are designed with BIVA in mind, and are designed to have a vague look of a D, whereas Jaguar have built a new D, 99% as per the originals.
As I pointed out earlier, are you go to pay 1.5mil for a new D, and then hack it about to try and make it IVA compliant, which its never going to get through anyway, so why bother, it would no longer be a D, and now be worth 50 quid.
Suggest you have a read through BIVA and NIVA documentation
TooMany2cvs said:
Can't be road registered.
Won't be eligible for historic racing.
It's an investment vehicle. No more, no less.
Spending a tiny fraction on a good rep that you can actually use makes far more sense.
It will be illegible for racing. Most historisc racing at goodwood and le mans classic are actual modern recreationsWon't be eligible for historic racing.
It's an investment vehicle. No more, no less.
Spending a tiny fraction on a good rep that you can actually use makes far more sense.
I'm sure a run of continuation C-types will be next, although what their reason will be I'm not sure as it seems to get more tenuous with each new run.
6 new LWE because we originally reserved 18 chassis numbers but only built 12. Fine, ok then.
9 new XKSS because 9 of the originals were destroyed in a factory fire before they were finished. Sure.
25 new D-types because we planned to build 100 but only built 75. Yeah right.
Mclaren originally planned to build 300 F1s, so maybe they should build a couple of hundred more to complete the planned run...
6 new LWE because we originally reserved 18 chassis numbers but only built 12. Fine, ok then.
9 new XKSS because 9 of the originals were destroyed in a factory fire before they were finished. Sure.
25 new D-types because we planned to build 100 but only built 75. Yeah right.
Mclaren originally planned to build 300 F1s, so maybe they should build a couple of hundred more to complete the planned run...
PAUL500 said:
sumpoil said:
I assume the XJ13 will be the next one for similar treatment? .... complete with quad-cam V12 you would imagine. I shudder to think how much they would be charging for one of those!
I doubt it, that car is unique, plus its still owned by Jag, they would be devaluing their own priceless asset by building more.I can buy a Mona Lisa print for a tenner, that doesn't stop the original still being priceless.
Also, the XJ13 is nowhere near priceless or even original XKSS//D-Type/C-Type money.
It has zero provenance in pretty much anything at all. It is beautiful and one of my favourite cars, but it didn't exactly do anything, other than look incredible and had dreams of Le Mans. If we're really honest it's really just a re-built write-off prototype.
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