RE: McLaren Senna - full details
Discussion
fblm said:
The stats are mega. I just don't buy that it has to be so utterly fugly to work. Being the fastest track day toy is a fleeting accolade but it's looks are forever.
I guess once the next toy comes along this one will just be put to bed in the collection? Personally I’m not seeing the ugliness and think it’s a striking thing that will be fun to see out and about. fblm said:
The stats are mega. I just don't buy that it has to be so utterly fugly to work. Being the fastest track day toy is a fleeting accolade but it's looks are forever.
When I read the stats in the article, I was just thinking 'Typical McLaren technical waffle, blah blah blah'. I'm in awe of the engineering expertise and performance potential of the Senna, but even if I were lucky enough to be one of the special customers, I wouldn't want one. I just can't get past the looks, I'm afraid. (Slightly O/T but I feel the same about the Pagani Huarya.) I'd much rather have something that goes round corners slower, isn't such a technical tour-de-force, but looks nicer. Look at McLaren's F1, or the Jaguar XJ220. I know they're designs that are decades old now, and obviously relatively primitive in terms of downforce / aero - but those are timeless, clean, beautiful shapes, and all of use could cite many others. The Senna is brutally functional, but the shape will date it horribly.BelfastBoy said:
...Look at McLaren's F1, or the Jaguar XJ220. I know they're designs that are decades old now, and obviously relatively primitive in terms of downforce / aero - but those are timeless, clean, beautiful shapes, and all of use could cite many others.
I agree and at risk of repeating myself from previous threads the fxxk evo shows that extreme aero can still be beautiful. OK beauty is in the eye of the beholder etc... but please the Senna is an aesthetic disaster and McLaren knows it; enough of their good customers have told them as much. I just pray this new 'design language' is dropped before the BP23 is finalised. fblm said:
BelfastBoy said:
...Look at McLaren's F1, or the Jaguar XJ220. I know they're designs that are decades old now, and obviously relatively primitive in terms of downforce / aero - but those are timeless, clean, beautiful shapes, and all of use could cite many others.
I agree and at risk of repeating myself from previous threads the fxxk evo shows that extreme aero can still be beautiful. OK beauty is in the eye of the beholder etc... but please the Senna is an aesthetic disaster and McLaren knows it; enough of their good customers have told them as much. I just pray this new 'design language' is dropped before the BP23 is finalised. A couple of past customers may not have liked the styling (quite normal when deposits are placed before seeing anything - just ask Ferrari, Lamborghini or Aston Martin) but all 500 cars are sold and there’s a significant waiting list in case anybody drops out.
You may not like it, fine, but please don’t imply that you have some kind of inside track.
You clearly don’t.
McLaren are doing just fine despite your personal reservations.
Oh, and I think the Fxxk is very ugly with it’s heavy rear end and awful rear ‘winglets’. It’s all subjective.
Edited by Maldini35 on Thursday 8th February 17:16
Edited by Maldini35 on Thursday 8th February 17:35
The key with the Senna will be the driving experience.
Admittedly, most of the people who take delivery will never get anywhere near the performance potential, but that applies to pretty much every performance car sold.
If the feedback from respected journalists and drivers who are allowed to properly wring the neck of the thing is that it's performance positives exceeds its aesthetic negatives it will be a PR success for McLaren. Given the claims with regard to the grip levels being generated, it's all looking very promising.
Admittedly, most of the people who take delivery will never get anywhere near the performance potential, but that applies to pretty much every performance car sold.
If the feedback from respected journalists and drivers who are allowed to properly wring the neck of the thing is that it's performance positives exceeds its aesthetic negatives it will be a PR success for McLaren. Given the claims with regard to the grip levels being generated, it's all looking very promising.
The Surveyor said:
The key with the Senna will be the driving experience.
Admittedly, most of the people who take delivery will never get anywhere near the performance potential, but that applies to pretty much every performance car sold.
If the feedback from respected journalists and drivers who are allowed to properly wring the neck of the thing is that it's performance positives exceeds its aesthetic negatives it will be a PR success for McLaren. Given the claims with regard to the grip levels being generated, it's all looking very promising.
Yep, so supercars have effectively gone the same way as high end art!Admittedly, most of the people who take delivery will never get anywhere near the performance potential, but that applies to pretty much every performance car sold.
If the feedback from respected journalists and drivers who are allowed to properly wring the neck of the thing is that it's performance positives exceeds its aesthetic negatives it will be a PR success for McLaren. Given the claims with regard to the grip levels being generated, it's all looking very promising.
The purchaser gets the majority of satisfaction of ownership from the knowledge that they spent a great deal of money and that critics and other tastemakers agree that the object is worthy of adulation.
V8 FOU said:
Holy Crap!
What a car!
Worth the £750000 for hydaulic pas alone....
What a car!
Worth the £750000 for hydaulic pas alone....
- chuckles*
Sounds great - until a pump fails - and PAS pumps were noted for failing on the first few years of cars in particular.
Normally if a pump fails you'd have to flush the rack and replace the pump - but here you have to flush the entire suspension system, replace filters and a lot of other stuff - it's heinously expensive.
McLaren don't care, of course, not really their issue but things like this contribute to the fact that run-of-the-mill (relatively speaking) McLarens have WAY worse depreciation than Ferraris or Porsches of the same ilk.
Indeed, McLaren seem to operate a 'TVR-like' approach of dazzling customers with new cars in the hope they don't get too-bogged-down in the failures of the old ones
Maldini35 said:
Please stop pretending you know anything about McLaren’s business.
WTF are you wittering about? Do you have comprehension problems? I assume McLaren's business is doing great and I'm very happy about that. I know a number of McLaren customers who have all told the factory it's ugly and it's quite obvious that McLaren know it's fvcking ugly from their pre-emptive comments defending its looks. All 500 are sold, and there's probably a waiting list of another 500... so what? It's fvcking ugly. Get over it.ps you've obviously never seen an fxxk evo... it doesn't have those winglets
fblm said:
Maldini35 said:
Please stop pretending you know anything about McLaren’s business.
WTF are you wittering about? Do you have comprehension problems? I assume McLaren's business is doing great and I'm very happy about that. I know a number of McLaren customers who have all told the factory it's ugly and it's quite obvious that McLaren know it's fvcking ugly from their pre-emptive comments defending its looks. All 500 are sold, and there's probably a waiting list of another 500... so what? It's fvcking ugly. Get over it.ps you've obviously never seen an fxxk evo... it doesn't have those winglets
DonkeyApple said:
fblm said:
The stats are mega. I just don't buy that it has to be so utterly fugly to work. Being the fastest track day toy is a fleeting accolade but it's looks are forever.
I guess once the next toy comes along this one will just be put to bed in the collection? Personally I’m not seeing the ugliness and think it’s a striking thing that will be fun to see out and about. 
.....we continue fblm said:
WTF are you wittering about? Do you have comprehension problems? I assume McLaren's business is doing great and I'm very happy about that. I know a number of McLaren customers who have all told the factory it's ugly and it's quite obvious that McLaren know it's fvcking ugly from their pre-emptive comments defending its looks. All 500 are sold, and there's probably a waiting list of another 500... so what? It's fvcking ugly. Get over it.
ps you've obviously never seen an fxxk evo... it doesn't have those winglets
Clearly i’ve touched a nerve.ps you've obviously never seen an fxxk evo... it doesn't have those winglets
No comprehension problems I can assure you.
You don’t like the look of car and claim to know a lot of customers who agree with you.
I merely challenged your statement as I know a lot of customers who love the look of the car and plenty more who desperately want one.
You also implied that McLaren don’t like the look of their own car. Again, pure nonsense.
McLaren signed off the design and built the cars. Yes, they acknowledged that it looks like nothing they've made before (which is true) and that as a track car, the performance was paramount. All standard practice.
Sorry if this offends you.
The fact is you don’t like the look of the car. Fine. But don’t presume to know what McLaren or 99% of its customers think.
I stand corrected about the Fxxk winglets - it has that god awful fin instead.
Edited by Maldini35 on Friday 9th February 07:00
Matt Bird said:
Interesting... 
We can only report as we hear, and take statements like that as the truth, but perhaps shouldn't. Is it just the two?
To be clear not a criticism of your reporting , m ore of mclarens stememt .We can only report as we hear, and take statements like that as the truth, but perhaps shouldn't. Is it just the two?
The 2 I mentioned are friends , we do track days etc together . They claim to know several others , I can't confirm this but have no reason to doubt them .
Housey said:
Just spin after spin after spin Doomy. Lies everywhere and no one questions it, they just suck it up with hazy eyes as the media dare not p
s off manufacturers these days as they lose revenue and treats petrified they become 'outside' on the next new toy.
To me a car like this needs a special engine , the engine from a car a quarter of the price with some simple tuning just doesn't cut it for me .s off manufacturers these days as they lose revenue and treats petrified they become 'outside' on the next new toy.People forget this is more expensive than a 918 was new and basically the entire car was bespoke . What's happened to the world when this is acceptable ?
I wouldn't swap the wheels on my carrera gt for this abomination let alone my 918
markclow said:
I think on the right rubber this thing will wipe the floor with anything on wheels in terms of laptimes. Maybe the Aston has a chance... Dont cry when that happens Yapper.
The aston is on another planet of single mindedness , form following function and bespoke build (to be fair it's reflected in the price ) yet still manages to be pleasing to the eyes and will be much faster than this .This is just laziness and a way to make a fast buck and if people are stupid enough to fall for this or the things that offend me (as a potential buyer ) don't offend them or appeal to them then more power to them and congratulations . I wouldn't buy this car with someone else's money , it's just not special enough for the price . A lot can be bought for 850k
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