RE: McLaren Senna - full details
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Looks like a boy racer got hold of a Noble and stuck a body kit on it!
Why does this article think that Mclaren has only built roadcars for 6 years? Aren't they aware of the F1 from the 90's, or the Mercedes thing from the noughties?
I think Mclaren need to get Pinifarina on board, or Touring, Bertone, Zagato, Giugiaro....any of the Italian design houses. Aston are still thriving on the Touring grill design of the DB4.
Why does this article think that Mclaren has only built roadcars for 6 years? Aren't they aware of the F1 from the 90's, or the Mercedes thing from the noughties?
I think Mclaren need to get Pinifarina on board, or Touring, Bertone, Zagato, Giugiaro....any of the Italian design houses. Aston are still thriving on the Touring grill design of the DB4.
Edited by BVB on Wednesday 7th February 17:17
Don Colione said:
Not a 720s with a body kit?
As always you spend a whole article trying to convince us how "special" this car is; apologizing for obvious flaws and overlooking anything that does not fit the McLaren narrative of this being the "best car ever".
Is it really that better?
Does it justify its price premium, or the abominable use of the great Senna's name?
Or is this all really PR and marketing hype, supported by all the blogs, trying to get us to believe in this stripped, overpriced, inadequately named 720s with an ugly body kit.
Just like with the P1, all the lap time PR hype will mean nothing as it will never be officially verified, so therefore pointless.
Modern companies putting out re-packaged, over-hyped products must really think there customers are stupid; well maybe the ones who don't fact check, or read between the PR marketing hype, from the blogs, and the manufacturer.
For all the hype and flowery language. It is 1 second faster to 124 than the 720s, 1 second slower to 62, less than a 110kg lighter, and 1 mile slower top speed.
Yet it is considerably uglier than the 720s (didn't believe I could ever be writing that), and i wonder how much could it really be around a track to justify the price differential.
Finally, I personally would be reluctant to track a million dollar car. Taking a car on track usually means that you are willing to write it off it the need be, because trackdays are nightmares to a car's chassis, drivetrain, and residuals. There is also the high possibility of severe damage.
The cheaper the car the better in my eyes, for this purpose...
McLaren 720s Stats according to Wikipedia -
Price - $288,845
Weight - 1283kg
0-62 - 2.7 sec
0-124 - 7.8 sec
Top Speed - 212mph
Senna Stats
Price - $837,000 to1-2 million
Weight - 1,198kg
0-62 - 2.8 sec
0-124 - 6.8 sec
Top Speed - 211mph
Hello Yipper As always you spend a whole article trying to convince us how "special" this car is; apologizing for obvious flaws and overlooking anything that does not fit the McLaren narrative of this being the "best car ever".
Is it really that better?
Does it justify its price premium, or the abominable use of the great Senna's name?
Or is this all really PR and marketing hype, supported by all the blogs, trying to get us to believe in this stripped, overpriced, inadequately named 720s with an ugly body kit.
Just like with the P1, all the lap time PR hype will mean nothing as it will never be officially verified, so therefore pointless.
Modern companies putting out re-packaged, over-hyped products must really think there customers are stupid; well maybe the ones who don't fact check, or read between the PR marketing hype, from the blogs, and the manufacturer.
For all the hype and flowery language. It is 1 second faster to 124 than the 720s, 1 second slower to 62, less than a 110kg lighter, and 1 mile slower top speed.
Yet it is considerably uglier than the 720s (didn't believe I could ever be writing that), and i wonder how much could it really be around a track to justify the price differential.
Finally, I personally would be reluctant to track a million dollar car. Taking a car on track usually means that you are willing to write it off it the need be, because trackdays are nightmares to a car's chassis, drivetrain, and residuals. There is also the high possibility of severe damage.
The cheaper the car the better in my eyes, for this purpose...
McLaren 720s Stats according to Wikipedia -
Price - $288,845
Weight - 1283kg
0-62 - 2.7 sec
0-124 - 7.8 sec
Top Speed - 212mph
Senna Stats
Price - $837,000 to1-2 million
Weight - 1,198kg
0-62 - 2.8 sec
0-124 - 6.8 sec
Top Speed - 211mph
BVB said:
Looks like a boy racer got hold of a Noble and stuck a body kit on it!
Why does this article think that Mclaren has only built roadcars for 6 years? Aren't they aware of the F1 from the 90's, or the Mercedes thing from the noughties?
I think Mclaren need to get Pinifarina on board, or Touring, Bertone, Zagato, Giugiaro....any of the Italian design houses. Aston are still thriving on the Touring grill design of the DB4.
The F1 was built under a slightly different company name IIRC (something like McLaren Automotive, not McLaren cars....or vice versa). The McLaren-Mercedes SLR was a different kettle of fish and definitely not just a McLaren (hence the Mercedes name). The company who are building this car are not that old.Why does this article think that Mclaren has only built roadcars for 6 years? Aren't they aware of the F1 from the 90's, or the Mercedes thing from the noughties?
I think Mclaren need to get Pinifarina on board, or Touring, Bertone, Zagato, Giugiaro....any of the Italian design houses. Aston are still thriving on the Touring grill design of the DB4.
Edited by BVB on Wednesday 7th February 17:17
CraigyMc said:
If you think a car with 800kg of downforce that only has the intertia of 1200kg won't obliterate something like a P1 you need to evaluate why and let us know what your thoughts are.
You expect a McSenna to be able to reach 250 km/h without a driver and without fluids? 1198kg is a dry weight.Vee12V said:
Yes. I know of 3 other that cancelled. Utter BS.
To be fair to Mclaren, if they replaced all cancelled orders with other people who were happy to step in, the order book would still be techincally full...wtdoom said:
"And that all 500 orders remained even once they had..."
Blatant lie from McLaren , I know 2 poeple who cancelled allocations . Both are on this forum .
Just spin after spin after spin Doomy. Lies everywhere and no one questions it, they just suck it up with hazy eyes as the media dare not pBlatant lie from McLaren , I know 2 poeple who cancelled allocations . Both are on this forum .
s off manufacturers these days as they lose revenue and treats petrified they become 'outside' on the next new toy.BVB said:
Looks like a boy racer got hold of a Noble and stuck a body kit on it!
It really doesn’t - if your going to Geneva I’d recommend having a proper look up close on their stand. (McLaren actually let you onto their stand and sit in the cars unlike the other super car manufacturers)Edited by BVB on Wednesday 7th February 17:17
It might not be everybody’s cup of tea but the details are fascinating. Having seen plenty of Nobles up close I can assure you it’s a completely different proposition.
Fair dinkum to McLaren. Great business. They have earnt £375,000,000, just by whacking a bodykit on a 720.
But there is no denying it -- the McSenna is one of the ugliest supercars ever made.
Ferrari and Porsche also make ugly cars (like the LF and Boxster) -- but they have heritage and an established fanbase of racing nerds over many decades that will (mostly) ignore such things.
McLaren is the new kid on the supercar block and cannot take customer goodwill for granted.
McLaren's next model really needs to be a beauty.
Before they start becoming known as "the world's ugliest supercar brand".
But there is no denying it -- the McSenna is one of the ugliest supercars ever made.
Ferrari and Porsche also make ugly cars (like the LF and Boxster) -- but they have heritage and an established fanbase of racing nerds over many decades that will (mostly) ignore such things.
McLaren is the new kid on the supercar block and cannot take customer goodwill for granted.
McLaren's next model really needs to be a beauty.
Before they start becoming known as "the world's ugliest supercar brand".
Yipper said:
Fair dinkum to McLaren. Great business. They have earnt £375,000,000, just by whacking a bodykit on a 720.
But there is no denying it -- the McSenna is one of the ugliest supercars ever made.
Ferrari and Porsche also make ugly cars (like the LF and Boxster) -- but they have heritage and an established fanbase of racing nerds over many decades that will (mostly) ignore such things.
McLaren is the new kid on the supercar block and cannot take customer goodwill for granted.
McLaren's next model really needs to be a beauty.
Before they start becoming known as "the world's ugliest supercar brand".
Have a day off YipperBut there is no denying it -- the McSenna is one of the ugliest supercars ever made.
Ferrari and Porsche also make ugly cars (like the LF and Boxster) -- but they have heritage and an established fanbase of racing nerds over many decades that will (mostly) ignore such things.
McLaren is the new kid on the supercar block and cannot take customer goodwill for granted.
McLaren's next model really needs to be a beauty.
Before they start becoming known as "the world's ugliest supercar brand".
Yipper said:
Fair dinkum to McLaren. Great business. They have earnt £375,000,000, just by whacking a bodykit on a 720.
But there is no denying it -- the McSenna is one of the ugliest supercars ever made.
Ferrari and Porsche also make ugly cars (like the LF and Boxster) -- but they have heritage and an established fanbase of racing nerds over many decades that will (mostly) ignore such things.
McLaren is the new kid on the supercar block and cannot take customer goodwill for granted.
McLaren's next model really needs to be a beauty.
Before they start becoming known as "the world's ugliest supercar brand".
You need to dial it back a bit now. Your recent posts appear to be caricature and self parody. But there is no denying it -- the McSenna is one of the ugliest supercars ever made.
Ferrari and Porsche also make ugly cars (like the LF and Boxster) -- but they have heritage and an established fanbase of racing nerds over many decades that will (mostly) ignore such things.
McLaren is the new kid on the supercar block and cannot take customer goodwill for granted.
McLaren's next model really needs to be a beauty.
Before they start becoming known as "the world's ugliest supercar brand".
isaldiri said:
CraigyMc said:
If you think a car with 800kg of downforce that only has the intertia of 1200kg won't obliterate something like a P1 you need to evaluate why and let us know what your thoughts are.
You expect a McSenna to be able to reach 250 km/h without a driver and without fluids? 1198kg is a dry weight.Vee12V said:
Yes. I know of 3 other that cancelled. Utter BS.
To be fair to Mclaren, if they replaced all cancelled orders with other people who were happy to step in, the order book would still be techincally full...Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff