RE: 2019 Toyota Supra details leaked

[myhandle]

Another Jeremiah PH thread. After all the PH Prius-bashing for the last decade + , Toyota is making a proper high performance sports car. The styling references the revered MkIV Supra very heavily, both front and rear. The Lexus LFA is considered one of the finest performance cars of all time, and some of that engineering expertise will have filtered to this car.

I wonder if some people come on this site simply to complain. I do not want to own a Supra, new or old, but I am glad that they exist. As far as I can see, the most universally esteemed cars on PH are the E46 M3, F355, Integrale, Cerbera and Cayman GT4. If there was a PH competition to win all of them there would probably be people on here saying that that they would not want to win because of the aggravation of garaging, road tax or servicing costs.

The Prius changed the world. Enthusiasts complained. Toyota have built a brand new high performance sports car. Still people complain. I imagine that it will be a really well engineered car that anyone on here would enjoy driving.

Edited by myhandle on Thursday 15th February 17:19

[Mr-B]

0-60 must be a simple typo, 4.8 not 3.8 shirley?

[S54Love]

Am I the only one that finds the front end gopping?

I mean, the FT-1 Concept from a few years ago looks similar from the front but yet looks miles better

[JualMassFlyweel]

mgbond said:

I can't work out in my head how it manages 3.8 0-62 with 340bhp and almost 1500kg must have an amazing launch control.

This ^

[Nerdherder]

Mercilessly beaten with the ugly stick this thing. Appalling.

[va1o]

Looks exciting! I guess this is the same powerplant as we'll see in the Z4 M40i, wonder what they'll price them at...

[dunnoreally]

To be honest, I was expecting the new Supra to go into the UK trying to compete with the 911, R8, GTR and friends, and so sell about 15 a year. If anything, the lower power figure makes things a bit more interesting because it implies a lower price bracket. Supra/F-Type V6/Cayman GTS triple test incoming?

[swisstoni]

People would have probably been pleasantly surprised by the design if they hadn’t already seen the far more wizzy concept version.

I just don’t know why manufacturers do it.

[Talksteer]

saxy said:

With that amount of HP, there’s no way it can do 0-62mph in 3.8s...

Well, I happen to have written a time step acceleration model which takes into account mass, power curve, and gear ratios.

To get it to go from 0-60 in 3.8 with the available power it needed:

1. 0.2 second reaction time
2. tyres capable of holding traction to 1.07 g
3. a clutch/torque converter that slips to 3000 rpm perfectly in that it transmits torque to the wheels up to the limit of adhesion while keeping the engine high enough in the rev band to supply the required power
4. gear changes of 0.1 seconds
5. 1st gear change at 40mph
6. 2nd gear change at 63mph

In practice the clutch/torque converter/engine/traction balance is likely a long way from perfect. However it probably slips up to a much higher RPM and that the tyres are capable of better than 1.07g linear traction. Obviously I don't have the precise torque curve either. My calcs are just to demonstrate that it is very possible.

For reference if the car had a perfect torque curve where it was always delivering 100% power and had drag slicks capable of 2.5 g acceleration before breaking traction the 0-60 time would be 2.8 seconds.

Edited by Talksteer on Thursday 15th February 19:37

[406dogvan]

When the last Supra appeared - with minimal teasing - it was, frankly, absolutely stunning - genuinely "out there" and attention grabbing.

Previous Supras hadn't been much to shout about - the immediately previous model was a chestwig alternative to an XJS (most being white-on-white) - then this "Judge Dredd" thing came along.

Nicest thing I can say about THIS one is that despite many years of teasing it's none of the things it's predecessor managed to be on first appearance ;0

[ensignia]

This just seems to be an upgrade on the GT86. Is it meant to be competing with the Nissan 370Z?

[codieskid]

I can't believe that's the finished car, it looks so wrong. The Ft-1 concept was a car I truly thought was radically different and received universal praise from press and enthusiasts so how have they taken so long to produce a car and got it so wrong. It's far too short, just look at this comparison to the FT-1.

I am hoping that Toyota is secretly pushing these teaser images to fool everyone and and will surprise everyone with a stunning car at Geneva that looks nothing like this. Fingers crossed

[kambites]

I knew it reminded me of something, and that image above made me realise what. That is to the original concept what this "replica" is to the Ferrari Enzo:

[SF695]

I can't understand how they can call this the Supra, when it's basically a BMW. Hell, if i want to buy a BMW, i'll do just that. Not a Toyota badge BMW. Whatever they call it, i will never regard it as the successor to the real Supra.
The Lexus LC500 is much more a successor to the Supra than this.

[anonymous-user]

codieskid said:

I can't believe that's the finished car, it looks so wrong. The Ft-1 concept was a car I truly thought was radically different and received universal praise from press and enthusiasts so how have they taken so long to produce a car and got it so wrong. It's far too short, just look at this comparison to the FT-1.

I am hoping that Toyota is secretly pushing these teaser images to fool everyone and and will surprise everyone with a stunning car at Geneva that looks nothing like this. Fingers crossed

Christ. Its literally like they took the FT1 concept and scaled it down to fit the shared BMW Z4 platform. I could maybe understand it if they most exciting thing Toyota/Lexus produced was still a Prius, but in the first time in decades Toyota actually have the ideal platform for a proper Supra successor in the form of the Lexus LC.

Its exactly recipe they used for the last two Supras with great success - Take the platform and many of the components from the big Toyota grand touring coupe already on sale, make it a bit lighter and more engaging to drive, top it off with a tunable boosted engine and call it a day.

Did Toyota not learn from the GT86? Despite what people on car forums say, people don't really want light weight and 'pure' driving experiences, especially not the type of people that the word 'Supra' is really going to resonate with.

[RacerMike]

codieskid said:

I can't believe that's the finished car, it looks so wrong. The Ft-1 concept was a car I truly thought was radically different and received universal praise from press and enthusiasts so how have they taken so long to produce a car and got it so wrong. It's far too short, just look at this comparison to the FT-1.

I am hoping that Toyota is secretly pushing these teaser images to fool everyone and and will surprise everyone with a stunning car at Geneva that looks nothing like this. Fingers crossed

I said it to a few people before this and I’ll say it again. It’ll be/has been GT86’d. Remember how pretty the FT-86 concept was...



I’m afraid it looks to me very much like the leaked images are correct. You only have to see the camo’d VP prototypes to see that there isn’t a hope that it can look like the FT-1 concept.

[Vyse]

Toyota have never made a good looking car, Mazda on the other hand.

[theholygrail]

kambites said:

I knew it reminded me of something, and that image above made me realise what. That is to the original concept what this "replica" is to the Ferrari Enzo:

Haha genuine lol!

[kambites]

Vyse said:

Toyota have never made a good looking car, Mazda on the other hand.

Yeah, they've all been horrible looking things...



Admittedly that was a while ago.

[LasseV]

codieskid said:

I can't believe that's the finished car, it looks so wrong. The Ft-1 concept was a car I truly thought was radically different and received universal praise from press and enthusiasts so how have they taken so long to produce a car and got it so wrong. It's far too short, just look at this comparison to the FT-1.

I am hoping that Toyota is secretly pushing these teaser images to fool everyone and and will surprise everyone with a stunning car at Geneva that looks nothing like this. Fingers crossed

Mate, upper picture is scaled wrongly and car will not look like that. It is so obviously fbadly photoshopped.