RE: Ferrari GTC4 Lusso T: Driven
Discussion
PunterCam said:
I always think this is a bats
t crazy opinion. Why isn't there an expensive hatchback? You can spend 10 grand or 250 grand on a saloon, you can spend 20 grand or hallf a mill on a 2 seater sports car, but with hatchbacks - the most practical shape of car - no. Anything over 40 grand is utter madness apparently. And yet people can't seem to spot their own madness.
Panamerat crazy opinion. Why isn't there an expensive hatchback? You can spend 10 grand or 250 grand on a saloon, you can spend 20 grand or hallf a mill on a 2 seater sports car, but with hatchbacks - the most practical shape of car - no. Anything over 40 grand is utter madness apparently. And yet people can't seem to spot their own madness. Not that hard to spec one of these up to £150k
RS7
£100k without troubling the option list that much
A size down then it’s easy to drop 50k plus on an A45 or RS3.
I’m sure there are other examples.
tubs said:
Does it come in Black..........
It does, thankfully.http://car-configurator.ferrari.com/gtc4lusso?coun...
Configurator!
Agent XXX said:
E65Ross said:
GroundEffect said:
bloomen said:
Why does it have to be so huuuuuge?
Something like this that was in the same ballpark size wise as a Scirocco or something would be the world's most desirable everyday car. When it's this magnitude it's just not usable enough especially in Lilliputian Britain.
Yes let's put a 6.3 V12, and two transmissions inside a Scirocco footprint....Something like this that was in the same ballpark size wise as a Scirocco or something would be the world's most desirable everyday car. When it's this magnitude it's just not usable enough especially in Lilliputian Britain.
If a bit tricky...
Sorry, that play on words was abominable.
xjay1337 said:
bloomen said:
Why does it have to be so huuuuuge?
Something like this that was in the same ballpark size wise as a Scirocco or something would be the world's most desirable everyday car. When it's this magnitude it's just not usable enough especially in Lilliputian Britain.
I can see your point.Something like this that was in the same ballpark size wise as a Scirocco or something would be the world's most desirable everyday car. When it's this magnitude it's just not usable enough especially in Lilliputian Britain.
But would you spend say £120k on a car the same size as a hatch back?
That said, I'm not a fan of this at all. I think it looks like crap, and I'd much rather buy something lighter.
Edited by big_rob_sydney on Saturday 17th February 13:44
big_rob_sydney said:
People spend 10 times that on a diamond, or a painting. I fail to see what size has to do with price.
That said, I'm not a fan of this at all. I think it looks like crap, and I'd much rather buy something lighter.
I suspect you’re not the target market That said, I'm not a fan of this at all. I think it looks like crap, and I'd much rather buy something lighter.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 17th February 13:44
I’d imagine most FF owners have access to several other vehicles.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 17th February 14:18
xjay1337 said:
bloomen said:
Why does it have to be so huuuuuge?
Something like this that was in the same ballpark size wise as a Scirocco or something would be the world's most desirable everyday car. When it's this magnitude it's just not usable enough especially in Lilliputian Britain.
I can see your point.Something like this that was in the same ballpark size wise as a Scirocco or something would be the world's most desirable everyday car. When it's this magnitude it's just not usable enough especially in Lilliputian Britain.
But would you spend say £120k on a car the same size as a hatch back?
PhantomPH said:
GTR is surely not much diff to your R32? c.10cm in the width and roughly the same length? Not really much different - unless you thought the R32 was too big of course! Get one bought.
The difference is not too far off 6 inches wider. Where I'm at an R32 was already a bit of a squeeze as my milieu is high speed goat tracks. An extra 5-6 inches crosses into the 'no way I'm going down there' category. bloomen said:
PhantomPH said:
GTR is surely not much diff to your R32? c.10cm in the width and roughly the same length? Not really much different - unless you thought the R32 was too big of course! Get one bought.
The difference is not too far off 6 inches wider. Where I'm at an R32 was already a bit of a squeeze as my milieu is high speed goat tracks. An extra 5-6 inches crosses into the 'no way I'm going down there' category. Was really just being a devil on your shoulder and trying to make you rethink the purchase. Ha ha.My CGTS was c.71" wide and I never noticed the width being a problem - it was the long doors that were a problem in parking spaces. On more than one occasion I got back to my car to find that I couldn't get in because of the car parked next to me. They were perfectly 'in their line', but just close enough to mean that the door (and it's thickness) gave me a 1" gap to try and fit in. Good job I grew up watching The Dukes of Hazard...
Great article, clearly an incredible car to the average PHer but the summary is surprising or perhaps disappointing, which essentially seems to be 'amazing car, equal to the V12 but not as good as the V12 because it's a V8'. Surely that it can do this deserves an accolade?
It seems to me that the writer is looking for an excuse to put a highly capable car down for no real reason.
It seems to me that the writer is looking for an excuse to put a highly capable car down for no real reason.
Edited by ReverendCounter on Saturday 17th February 16:16
Jimbo. said:
Whilst I appreciate there’re a whole host of differences between them, is this the first time Ferrari have had two cars of the same line/model with entirely different engines one sale at the same time?
“And what engine would sir want in his GTC? V12 or V8?”
Going by the article and how it emphasises the name GTC4 with a T signifies the V8T engine I imagine the (snobby or not) buyer would already note this with the salesman and the question really would be what options Sir would like to tick in the list..?“And what engine would sir want in his GTC? V12 or V8?”
On a different note,1800kgs is heavy but I didn't think it heavy for a car this size and engine. Most cars are bloated these days IMO but it seems CFRP still is reserved for the upper echelon cars.
Regards
Brooking10 said:
PunterCam said:
I always think this is a batst crazy opinion. Why isn't there an expensive hatchback? You can spend 10 grand or 250 grand on a saloon, you can spend 20 grand or hallf a mill on a 2 seater sports car, but with hatchbacks - the most practical shape of car - no. Anything over 40 grand is utter madness apparently. And yet people can't seem to spot their own madness.
Panamerat crazy opinion. Why isn't there an expensive hatchback? You can spend 10 grand or 250 grand on a saloon, you can spend 20 grand or hallf a mill on a 2 seater sports car, but with hatchbacks - the most practical shape of car - no. Anything over 40 grand is utter madness apparently. And yet people can't seem to spot their own madness. Not that hard to spec one of these up to £150k
RS7
£100k without troubling the option list that much
A size down then it’s easy to drop 50k plus on an A45 or RS3.
I’m sure there are other examples.
Why isn't someone making a posh hatch? Really posh. Starting at 100 grand posh. Impeccable build, fabulous engine, identical size and practicality to a golf. Why not? Same with 4x4s. You want a smaller SUV? Well that'll be a cheaper SUV, you'll not be getting the posh high quality version unless you buy the biggest one we make. Why? It's actually just stupid.
PunterCam said:
Technically examples, but nobody thinks Panamera when you say hatch. And at the end of the day, the interior of your A3 or A class is the same as the 20 grand version. None of the above answer my question.
Why isn't someone making a posh hatch? Really posh. Starting at 100 grand posh. Impeccable build, fabulous engine, identical size and practicality to a golf. Why not? Same with 4x4s. You want a smaller SUV? Well that'll be a cheaper SUV, you'll not be getting the posh high quality version unless you buy the biggest one we make. Why? It's actually just stupid.
Because nobody wants one.Why isn't someone making a posh hatch? Really posh. Starting at 100 grand posh. Impeccable build, fabulous engine, identical size and practicality to a golf. Why not? Same with 4x4s. You want a smaller SUV? Well that'll be a cheaper SUV, you'll not be getting the posh high quality version unless you buy the biggest one we make. Why? It's actually just stupid.
GroundEffect said:
bloomen said:
Why does it have to be so huuuuuge?
Something like this that was in the same ballpark size wise as a Scirocco or something would be the world's most desirable everyday car. When it's this magnitude it's just not usable enough especially in Lilliputian Britain.
Yes let's put a 6.3 V12, and two transmissions inside a Scirocco footprint....Something like this that was in the same ballpark size wise as a Scirocco or something would be the world's most desirable everyday car. When it's this magnitude it's just not usable enough especially in Lilliputian Britain.
Even if the oily bits could be squeezed into a smaller footprint to produce a hyper hot hatch the cost savings would be minimal. The labour and tooling costs would be near identical regardless of the size of the car and a few kilos less of aluminium in the bodywork @ approx. 4 quid / kilo won't bring the SP down to £100K.
Edited by GranCab on Sunday 18th February 11:42
The lack of build quality and attention to detail in these things is unforgiveable for something that costs £200k. Loose flimsy plastics, wonky badges, poor connectivity, lack of ergonomics etc make it very frustrating to live with. Not even the V12 sound can make up for it.
The F12 and 812 seem much better together.
The F12 and 812 seem much better together.
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