RE: Ferrari GTC4 Lusso T: Driven
Discussion
Schermerhorn said:
The lack of build quality and attention to detail in these things is unforgiveable for something that costs £200k. Loose flimsy plastics, wonky badges, poor connectivity, lack of ergonomics etc make it very frustrating to live with. Not even the V12 sound can make up for it.
The F12 and 812 seem much better together.
Disagree - it is perfectly fine and well enough put together - nothing is falling off, it works etc The F12 and 812 seem much better together.
The only thing annoying is that some of the mesh and screws rust like there is no tomorrow
I'm absolutely not the target market for this car, but if I was, I'm afraid I would really struggle to look past a lightly-used FF at the same money. Prettier too. Let some other mug take the first-year depreciation and other expenses. If I was buying new, if I could afford the V8 I could probably stretch to the V12 without any problem anyway...
If I was content to live with a turbo V8, I'd just buy a Litchfield RS6 instead...
If I was content to live with a turbo V8, I'd just buy a Litchfield RS6 instead...
I absolutely hated the FF when it first came out. I was rude about. Since then it's really grown on me, especially in GTC Lusso form. I'd probably even have one in my fantasy supercar collection, just for when I need to drive the children somewhere.
I assume the 3.9L V8 is for tax purposes in other countries rather than any practical reason. Otherwise you'd buy the V12 all day long.
A nicely written article, thanks.
I assume the 3.9L V8 is for tax purposes in other countries rather than any practical reason. Otherwise you'd buy the V12 all day long.
A nicely written article, thanks.
Jimbo. said:
Whilst I appreciate there’re a whole host of differences between them, is this the first time Ferrari have had two cars of the same line/model with entirely different engines one sale at the same time?
“And what engine would sir want in his GTC? V12 or V8?”
They sold 208 versions of the 308 GT4 and GTB/GTS between 1975 and 1985.“And what engine would sir want in his GTC? V12 or V8?”
While the 208 GT4 simply had a lower displacement version of the 308 GT4's engine (smaller carburetors too), the 208 GTB/GTS Turbo had Ferrari's first turbocharged engine.
(though it that case both the 208 and 308 versions were still V8s)
PunterCam said:
Brooking10 said:
PunterCam said:
I always think this is a bats
t crazy opinion. Why isn't there an expensive hatchback? You can spend 10 grand or 250 grand on a saloon, you can spend 20 grand or hallf a mill on a 2 seater sports car, but with hatchbacks - the most practical shape of car - no. Anything over 40 grand is utter madness apparently. And yet people can't seem to spot their own madness.
Panamerat crazy opinion. Why isn't there an expensive hatchback? You can spend 10 grand or 250 grand on a saloon, you can spend 20 grand or hallf a mill on a 2 seater sports car, but with hatchbacks - the most practical shape of car - no. Anything over 40 grand is utter madness apparently. And yet people can't seem to spot their own madness. Not that hard to spec one of these up to £150k
RS7
£100k without troubling the option list that much
A size down then it’s easy to drop 50k plus on an A45 or RS3.
I’m sure there are other examples.
Why isn't someone making a posh hatch? Really posh. Starting at 100 grand posh. Impeccable build, fabulous engine, identical size and practicality to a golf. Why not? Same with 4x4s. You want a smaller SUV? Well that'll be a cheaper SUV, you'll not be getting the posh high quality version unless you buy the biggest one we make. Why? It's actually just stupid.
E65Ross said:
Space is one of the greatest luxuries you can have in a car. Maybe one reason why?
There are plenty of huge cars with so little space inside that it's nauseating. I'd lay out big time for something that was brutally fast, not a tarted up econobox and actually fit into modern motoring infrastructure.
Oily76 said:
Shiv_P said:
I'd love to have a high end proper golf/focus sized hatchback. Like really high end, S class/A8/7 style interior quality and finishings and a 500/600bhp straight 6 or V6 (V8 I expect would have packaging issues)
I'd buy that! Second hand, mind...Simply, if you add big engines and very high end interiors/comfort and the layout to support that, you end up with something big and heavy but not necessarily roomy... a Rapide is actually quite cramped for space... Panamera isn't very roomy either considering the footprint it has ...
British Beef said:
Uglier back than original.
and will Ferrari ever offer a manual gearbox again? Especially given the Premiums the last of the manual Ferraris now command.
RWD, V12 with a manual Box would be a lovely thing.
No, the market demand for a brand new one is very small. Ferrari know they're customer base, if there was a huge market for it, you can bet they'd offer it.and will Ferrari ever offer a manual gearbox again? Especially given the Premiums the last of the manual Ferraris now command.
RWD, V12 with a manual Box would be a lovely thing.
Isn't it the case that they have deliberately suppressed the market for manuals, through their marketing and the way they made it more difficult for buyers to order manuals back in the 360/430 days? If they did what Porsche have done and return to the 6-speed manual and market it as the discerning driver's choice, I'm sure there would be a market for it.
RoverP6B said:
Isn't it the case that they have deliberately suppressed the market for manuals, through their marketing and the way they made it more difficult for buyers to order manuals back in the 360/430 days? If they did what Porsche have done and return to the 6-speed manual and market it as the discerning driver's choice, I'm sure there would be a market for it.
There is a market for it, but whether its big enough to warrant building it for the manufacturer is another matter entirely.You mention Porsche; you realise almost all of their cars sold are not manuals, right?
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