WTF, seriouisly, how are they still in business?
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A 308 GT line caught my eye when parked up down my road over Christmas. Went to have a look at one a few weeks ago and ended up buying it. I like it's understated looks and the interior design and was pleasantly surprised by the quality feel throughout the car. The only thing I can find fault with is the infotainment system is not very intuitive but you do get used to it.
Burgerbob said:
Murphy16 said:
keirik said:
So that's peugeot, dacia and vauxhall dealt with and its only Monday.
Who's going to start the next "this manufacturer is s
t, why do people by these cars" thread?
Exactly this. Just another dogsWho's going to start the next "this manufacturer is s
t, why do people by these cars" thread?t thread by some angry wker with a chip on his shoulder about a car they don't agree with. My pet hate cars are Audi's (particularly the lower models), I think that generally they are overpriced VAG cars sold purely on image. But does that mean the manufacturer is s
t or they're just not for me...?But it's worth noting that according to just about every recent reliability measure, Peugeots tend to have a lot less issues than anything coming out of Germany
t threads and rant online about how the car they're renting/borrowing/seen another human driving is somehow inferior to their gleaming example of motoring nirvana. I can imagine OP, shaking with rage at the sheer thought of a Peugeot existing. After all, he has to spend a life changing 200 miles in the god forsaken thing. Perhaps this should be merged with the 'Can you still buy a crap car thread?'
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2gins said:
No idea what engine is in it, I guess it must be the 1.6 HDi (75PS) diesel, gutless as fk, couldn't pull the skin of my mother-in-law's custard.
The car that you have hired has 1.2 diesel rather than the 1.6 that you suggested. This might go some way towards explain the lack of traction on custard.k, couldn't pull the skin of my mother-in-law's custard.Most modern cars take a few minutes with the driver's handbook to understand how to access the basic functions. There's much more to play with than on your beloved 306/406 of twenty years ago.
Have a word with whoever arranges the hire and ask for something better next time. It will be much kinder to your blood pressure.
I am fully with the OP here, and all the other people starting threads like these.
I hire a lot of cars through work, and the overall quality of cars and the experience has taken a sharp nosedive recently in many aspects.
The chief problems are :
Space and economy over everything. The public want cars that get 60mpg+ and are massive inside with a high driving position. Everything else, styling, performance and driving dynamics can go to hell.
Lack of consistency in basic functions, like wipers, handbrakes, stop start, lights, heater controls, radio functions and indicators. Too many manufacturers are trying to re-invent the wheel and end up obscuring the basic controls.
Infotainment, touchscreens and too many sensors and proximity warnings. Many cars these days bong and bing every 2 minutes when driven in a busy city.
Isolation. The public have spoken, and what they want is to be as isolated as possible from the driving experience. No feedback from the wheel, brakes and the engine should be as quiet as possible.
Getting in an sporty early 2000's or 90's car is like a breath of fresh air - low seats, responsive engines, a wheel alive with feedback, and simple basic controls that work perfectly.
I hire a lot of cars through work, and the overall quality of cars and the experience has taken a sharp nosedive recently in many aspects.
The chief problems are :
Space and economy over everything. The public want cars that get 60mpg+ and are massive inside with a high driving position. Everything else, styling, performance and driving dynamics can go to hell.
Lack of consistency in basic functions, like wipers, handbrakes, stop start, lights, heater controls, radio functions and indicators. Too many manufacturers are trying to re-invent the wheel and end up obscuring the basic controls.
Infotainment, touchscreens and too many sensors and proximity warnings. Many cars these days bong and bing every 2 minutes when driven in a busy city.
Isolation. The public have spoken, and what they want is to be as isolated as possible from the driving experience. No feedback from the wheel, brakes and the engine should be as quiet as possible.
Getting in an sporty early 2000's or 90's car is like a breath of fresh air - low seats, responsive engines, a wheel alive with feedback, and simple basic controls that work perfectly.
Had a 2008 1.2 gtline on hire for 4 days last week. Though it was nice and totally changed my perception of Peugeot. The infotainment system takes some getting used to but is OK and links to you phone for maps and Spotify.
It is a long throw to 1st in the box but not really an issue. The 1.2 3 cylinder turbo is a peach of an engine plenty of get up and go and over 800 miles avaraged 50mpg.
It is a long throw to 1st in the box but not really an issue. The 1.2 3 cylinder turbo is a peach of an engine plenty of get up and go and over 800 miles avaraged 50mpg.
Just bought a Peugeot 5008 1.6 HDI, a 64 plate one on 30k to replace an aging Mazda 5. I wouldn't say it's the most hateful car I've ever driven, far from it in fact. Perhaps try comparing it to other cars in the segment, it's probably one of the better cars to drive based on what I test drove. Yes its slow, but for family duties it's a very good car. 7 full sized seats for a start, not a smaller middle seat or not legroom for rearmost seats and still a usable boot when the rear seats are up. It's easy to drive, it actually handles well for a big bus with direct steering, it's got lots of well thought out family features, it'll do 50mpg, it's cheap on VED, it's cheap to insure and it's well equipped and cheap to buy. Ticks a lot of boxes if you need a proper 7 seater imo and I find it very relaxing to drive. Only thing that drove better imo was the S Max and we test drove a variety of 7 seaters that day, S Max are just very expensive.
Peugeot seem to be making some decent GTI's again as well as well as cheap, stylish everyday cars. Not hard to see why they're doing well is it.
Peugeot seem to be making some decent GTI's again as well as well as cheap, stylish everyday cars. Not hard to see why they're doing well is it.
ExPat2B said:
I am fully with the OP here, and all the other people starting threads like these.
I hire a lot of cars through work, and the overall quality of cars and the experience has taken a sharp nosedive recently in many aspects.
The chief problems are :
Space and economy over everything. The public want cars that get 60mpg+ and are massive inside with a high driving position. Everything else, styling, performance and driving dynamics can go to hell.
Lack of consistency in basic functions, like wipers, handbrakes, stop start, lights, heater controls, radio functions and indicators. Too many manufacturers are trying to re-invent the wheel and end up obscuring the basic controls.
Infotainment, touchscreens and too many sensors and proximity warnings. Many cars these days bong and bing every 2 minutes when driven in a busy city.
Isolation. The public have spoken, and what they want is to be as isolated as possible from the driving experience. No feedback from the wheel, brakes and the engine should be as quiet as possible.
Getting in an sporty early 2000's or 90's car is like a breath of fresh air - low seats, responsive engines, a wheel alive with feedback, and simple basic controls that work perfectly.
Shock horror a company gives their customers what they want!I hire a lot of cars through work, and the overall quality of cars and the experience has taken a sharp nosedive recently in many aspects.
The chief problems are :
Space and economy over everything. The public want cars that get 60mpg+ and are massive inside with a high driving position. Everything else, styling, performance and driving dynamics can go to hell.
Lack of consistency in basic functions, like wipers, handbrakes, stop start, lights, heater controls, radio functions and indicators. Too many manufacturers are trying to re-invent the wheel and end up obscuring the basic controls.
Infotainment, touchscreens and too many sensors and proximity warnings. Many cars these days bong and bing every 2 minutes when driven in a busy city.
Isolation. The public have spoken, and what they want is to be as isolated as possible from the driving experience. No feedback from the wheel, brakes and the engine should be as quiet as possible.
Getting in an sporty early 2000's or 90's car is like a breath of fresh air - low seats, responsive engines, a wheel alive with feedback, and simple basic controls that work perfectly.
Had a 208 for 3 months last year, its only redeeming feature to me was that my boss was paying the fuel...
The ergonomics were absolutely st, seating position bad, gear leaver to far forward, the touch screen infotainment system an active hazard as it requires for too much attention to operate, the satnav bad...
Different strokes for different folks and all that, but this car has so many problems in just general usability i cant wrap my head around someone picking this over a clio or a fiesta.
The ergonomics were absolutely s
t, seating position bad, gear leaver to far forward, the touch screen infotainment system an active hazard as it requires for too much attention to operate, the satnav bad...Different strokes for different folks and all that, but this car has so many problems in just general usability i cant wrap my head around someone picking this over a clio or a fiesta.
I think hiring cars brings out the most critical reviewer. I hired a 1 series 2 weeks ago, which is apparently a good-ish car that seems to get reviewed well. It was a deeply unpleasant thing to drive and I couldn't wait to be out of it.
Key points for me:
- The autobox was just changing gear constantly. Just pick a fecking gear and stick with it. I have no idea what "mode" it was in, I tried not to press anything.
- The user interface - oh for god's sake. We set off from Europcar, navigating Frankfurt traffic (more on the sat nav later), and the radio comes on. How the hell do you turn if off. I turned every knob I could find to the left, and turned it down. 5 minutes later it was on again. Arrgh. Thankfully my co-driver worked out that the i-drive knob thing would shut it down - a handle outside my field of vision as the driver. Nice.
- The Sat Nav. Seriously, have a look at Waze and build a satnav like that.
- Handling. Coming from FWD Alfas, I was looking forward to BMW precision handling. I'm used to RWD, I've got an RWD Alfa, and spend lots of time in Jags. It was like driving a Christmas Pudding. Horrible, dead thing, sticking the power on felt unsafe, and without enough power on, it just understeered.
No, I have no idea what was propelling it, it used petrol. It seemed to make adequate power, but nothing special.
Key points for me:
- The autobox was just changing gear constantly. Just pick a fecking gear and stick with it. I have no idea what "mode" it was in, I tried not to press anything.
- The user interface - oh for god's sake. We set off from Europcar, navigating Frankfurt traffic (more on the sat nav later), and the radio comes on. How the hell do you turn if off. I turned every knob I could find to the left, and turned it down. 5 minutes later it was on again. Arrgh. Thankfully my co-driver worked out that the i-drive knob thing would shut it down - a handle outside my field of vision as the driver. Nice.
- The Sat Nav. Seriously, have a look at Waze and build a satnav like that.
- Handling. Coming from FWD Alfas, I was looking forward to BMW precision handling. I'm used to RWD, I've got an RWD Alfa, and spend lots of time in Jags. It was like driving a Christmas Pudding. Horrible, dead thing, sticking the power on felt unsafe, and without enough power on, it just understeered.
No, I have no idea what was propelling it, it used petrol. It seemed to make adequate power, but nothing special.
ExPat2B said:
I am fully with the OP here, and all the other people starting threads like these.
I hire a lot of cars through work, and the overall quality of cars and the experience has taken a sharp nosedive recently in many aspects.
The chief problems are :
Space and economy over everything. The public want cars that get 60mpg+ and are massive inside with a high driving position. Everything else, styling, performance and driving dynamics can go to hell.
Lack of consistency in basic functions, like wipers, handbrakes, stop start, lights, heater controls, radio functions and indicators. Too many manufacturers are trying to re-invent the wheel and end up obscuring the basic controls.
Infotainment, touchscreens and too many sensors and proximity warnings. Many cars these days bong and bing every 2 minutes when driven in a busy city.
Isolation. The public have spoken, and what they want is to be as isolated as possible from the driving experience. No feedback from the wheel, brakes and the engine should be as quiet as possible.
Getting in an sporty early 2000's or 90's car is like a breath of fresh air - low seats, responsive engines, a wheel alive with feedback, and simple basic controls that work perfectly.
I think part of the problem (as well as your average muppet just wanting a white-goods car-as-tool or car-as-image) is the people running the market research. They'll ask about tangible, physical things or those that can be charged for, but they won't (don't know how to?) ask about the hygiene factors such as ergonomics:-I hire a lot of cars through work, and the overall quality of cars and the experience has taken a sharp nosedive recently in many aspects.
The chief problems are :
Space and economy over everything. The public want cars that get 60mpg+ and are massive inside with a high driving position. Everything else, styling, performance and driving dynamics can go to hell.
Lack of consistency in basic functions, like wipers, handbrakes, stop start, lights, heater controls, radio functions and indicators. Too many manufacturers are trying to re-invent the wheel and end up obscuring the basic controls.
Infotainment, touchscreens and too many sensors and proximity warnings. Many cars these days bong and bing every 2 minutes when driven in a busy city.
Isolation. The public have spoken, and what they want is to be as isolated as possible from the driving experience. No feedback from the wheel, brakes and the engine should be as quiet as possible.
Getting in an sporty early 2000's or 90's car is like a breath of fresh air - low seats, responsive engines, a wheel alive with feedback, and simple basic controls that work perfectly.
- Visibility (you don't care until you have an accident, every other road user probably DOES care if they ever bothered to think about it, which of course they don't). You don't NEED parking sensors in a 30y.o. car as you know where the corners are.
- Driving position - most people aren't in a car for long enough to care, or don't think enough about their driving to realise that they can either be comfortable OR in proper control of the car, but not both
- Control weights / feel - this is the essence of car-control, but when were people ever asked about it? And SHOULD they be? Someone on here linked to a Car & Driver article yesterday where a senior BMW exec said their customer focus-groups kept coming back with "lighter steering" as a requirement...and now BMWs have the same s
t feel-less steering as most other marques!So you end up with (profit driven) senior execs in the car companies instructing their engineers to prioritise s
t like boot space and touch-screens and CO2 and soft-touch plastics, while the important stuff above is relegated to the bottom of the development budget...
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