RE: Porsche confirms the death of diesel

[ITP]

The Wookie said:

Annoying. My V8 Diesel Cayenne does 650 miles to a tank, pulls a 3.5 tonne trailer like it isn't there and doesn't handle like a boat. I've even had an indicated 168 out of it on the Autobahn during a run to Trier. Plus it does it all with a nice deep V8 rumble.

For someone that does a lot of motorway miles, carries heavy loads and cares about driving there are few cars that compare IMHO.

You do seem to be one of the very few people this is going to affect.

Doing lots of miles - tick
Towing heavy trailer - tick
High speeds on autobahns and good handling - tick

The thing is over 80% (probably over 90% for the towing/autobahn part) of diesel Porsche owners won’t tick any of those boxes.

[Guvernator]

ITP said:

You do seem to be one of the very few people this is going to affect.

Doing lots of miles - tick
Towing heavy trailer - tick
High speeds on autobahns and good handling - tick

The thing is over 80% (probably over 90% for the towing/autobahn part) of diesel Porsche owners won’t tick any of those boxes.

I don't really tick any of those boxes and I wanted a Cayenne for the family wagon, I didn't even consider the petrol engined options, does that make me odd? I don't really think so considering the huge majority of Porsche SUV's I see on the road are also diesel. Have they ALL been duped?

Even though I knew the anti-diesel movement was gathering pace I bought it. The current hybrid version just doesn't work, sorry a 22 mile battery range, they might as well not have bothered. I am sure this will improve and I do see EV\Hybrid as the natural replacement for diesel but they certainly aren't there yet and I don't think they will be for at least another 5-10 years which leaves a gap in the market.

Edited by Guvernator on Friday 23 February 12:14

[DonkeyApple]

Although didn’t someone post a contradictory statement from Porsche that there would still be a diesel Cayenne?

[GTEYE]

And hasn't the popularity of large diesel SUV's not all been about the relevant frugality/penny pinching side of diesel but residual values which have up to this point been massively better for diesel versus petrol.

You can hardly blame people (whether spending £100k or not) for wanting to protect their investment/mimimise the monthly payments.

I just can't see demand surging on a thirsty petrol SUV - diesel made absolute sense on such vehicles.

A quick search on Autotrader:

Criteria; Porsche Cayenne Years - 2014 to 2018

Numbers for sale:

Diesel: 287

Petrol: 40

Hybrid: 22

If you did the same for the Macan

Diesel: 213

Petrol: 125

Food for thought!

Edited by GTEYE on Friday 23 February 11:49

[NomduJour]

DonkeyApple said:

Although didn’t someone post a contradictory statement from Porsche that there would still be a diesel Cayenne?

Yes.

[The Wookie]

NomduJour said:

DonkeyApple said:

Although didn’t someone post a contradictory statement from Porsche that there would still be a diesel Cayenne?

Yes.

Let’s hope they leave the V8 diesel in the line up as a specialist premium model but I won’t hold my breath!

[Plug Life]

The Wookie said:

Let’s hope they leave the V8 diesel in the line up as a specialist premium model but I won’t hold my breath!

I thought the Wookiees care about the environment...

[Vi16v]

Got to laugh at all the diesel haters. Most of whom probably drive 1.6 petrol golfs and meganes. Turbo diesels are fast enough and economical enough to justify having. Especially if your doing 15k miles or more a year. I drive a 3.0 tdi vag engined car. Puts out 250bhp and can average 30+ mpg. Smooth and quiet engine, and im not in a hurry to change back to petrol. The government pushed the diesel back in early 2000 and now want to scrap them. Watch this space, we will end diesel, then end up in tiny turbo petrol engines. Say goodbye to your v6 and v8 next.

[grumpynuts]

My daily is a Lexus NX 4x4 hybrid. It's a proper hybrid, ie, it charges itself. Everything with just a battery pack dumped in the boot is a plug in, which is the sticking plaster most manufacturers are having to offer right now. Mine has a 2.5 4 pot petrol engine, and hybrid system,is smooth and quiet, will bowl along at highly illegal speeds if required and also give 40mpg if I care to drive it carefully enough. The only downside is that if I needed a tow car, it doesn't have a great towing capacity. If you have nowhere to plug in you car,then a Toyota/Lexus hybrid is about your only option until others catch up.

[aeropilot]

DonkeyApple said:

cerb4.5lee said:

aeropilot said:

Quite.

A big, torquey diesel, is EXACTLY the right engine engine for a big SUV.

I've had never owned, or had desired to own a diesel car, during the 37 years I've been driving, prior to buying the X5 last year, but a big diesel engined SUV/4x4 is a no-brainer IMHO.

I agree with this, when I had my X5 4.8iS the petrol engine just didn't really make sense(I did love its engine though). The economy was dire and because the fuel tank was massive it cost an arm and a leg to fill it.

I feel a torque filled diesel engine makes more sense in a SUV, and the additional range/economy are a benefit, plus torque helps for towing etc.

A SUV is mostly about going slow and steady, so a really powerful petrol engine doesn't really suit its remit for me.

A big displacement petrol pushrod V8 is exactly the right engine for an SUV.

Not the ones I've driven they aren't.

Even only 6 months ago, I had a Chevy Tahoe V8 for a week, and it was woeful..........couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding and drank fuel even in 4cyl 'fuel saving mode'.
20 years ago, a mate had an ex-USAFE Chevy Blazer V8 diesel (still in USAFE tri-colour camo finish ) and that had grunt galore, sounded excellent and you could pull-out tree stumps in your spare time if needed....and it did almost 30mpg.

[Sierra Mike]

Porsche expects to launch a diesel version of the new-generation Cayenne this year and may offer the powertrain in the smaller Macan crossover as well, a top executive said, denying reports that the automaker plans to abandon the technology.

"We're not saying that we are exiting [diesel]," Porsche sales chief Detlev von Platen told Automotive News Europe and sister publication Automobilwoche here last week. "Presently, the planning process foresees one for the Cayenne and probably for the Macan, too. For the SUV models, it [diesel] makes sense where customers want range and torque."

http://www.autonews.com/article/20180227/COPY01/30...

[Mr Tidy]

Jimbo. said:

Because when every Joule of energy matters, it doesn’t make sense to piss away vast amounts of energy out the exhaust.

Why not? Some energy lost might be better for the human race than emitting loads of NOx.

[Jimbo.]

Mr Tidy said:

Jimbo. said:

Because when every Joule of energy matters, it doesn’t make sense to piss away vast amounts of energy out the exhaust.

Why not? Some energy lost might be better for the human race than emitting loads of NOx.

That was in response to the the N/A vs turbo engines comment. Fuel (and therefore NOx) didn’t come into it.

[Cobnapint]

Sierra Mike said:

Porsche expects to launch a diesel version of the new-generation Cayenne this year and may offer the powertrain in the smaller Macan crossover as well, a top executive said, denying reports that the automaker plans to abandon the technology.

"We're not saying that we are exiting [diesel]," Porsche sales chief Detlev von Platen told Automotive News Europe and sister publication Automobilwoche here last week. "Presently, the planning process foresees one for the Cayenne and probably for the Macan, too. For the SUV models, it [diesel] makes sense where customers want range and torque."

http://www.autonews.com/article/20180227/COPY01/30...

Good news. Should get the anti-diesel brigade frothing again.

[Sierra Mike]

Cobnapint said:

Sierra Mike said:

Porsche expects to launch a diesel version of the new-generation Cayenne this year and may offer the powertrain in the smaller Macan crossover as well, a top executive said, denying reports that the automaker plans to abandon the technology.

"We're not saying that we are exiting [diesel]," Porsche sales chief Detlev von Platen told Automotive News Europe and sister publication Automobilwoche here last week. "Presently, the planning process foresees one for the Cayenne and probably for the Macan, too. For the SUV models, it [diesel] makes sense where customers want range and torque."

http://www.autonews.com/article/20180227/COPY01/30...

Good news. Should get the anti-diesel brigade frothing again.

Each to their own but I think the Cayenne Diesel is a great car and I look forward to buying another. The waiting list for this car will extend to at least a year initially and probably longer. The car will be very comfortable, offer great economy and fantastic residuals.

[DiscoColin]

Cobnapint said:

Sierra Mike said:

Porsche expects to launch a diesel version of the new-generation Cayenne this year and may offer the powertrain in the smaller Macan crossover as well, a top executive said, denying reports that the automaker plans to abandon the technology.

"We're not saying that we are exiting [diesel]," Porsche sales chief Detlev von Platen told Automotive News Europe and sister publication Automobilwoche here last week. "Presently, the planning process foresees one for the Cayenne and probably for the Macan, too. For the SUV models, it [diesel] makes sense where customers want range and torque."

http://www.autonews.com/article/20180227/COPY01/30...

Good news. Should get the anti-diesel brigade frothing again.

I am not so sure that them making the model will bother many. Even the more fervent enemies of the devils fuel accept that it has a place in haulage and everyone agrees that the existence of a tractor powered Cayenne makes for an excellent tow car option for a track toy on a trailer...? But people will of course still slag off those who buy them for the school run.