Official Nissan key no longer being recognised by my Qashqai

[NISSANDAL]

Hello All,

I have finally decided to get a second key for my Qashqai J10 (2011) as it was bought with only 1. Got the mobile auto electrician round this morning and now have:

> 1 new programmed key BUT
> my original key no longer is recognised for central locking and engine starting. Pres the buttons... nothing. Turn the key in the ignition, nothing....

He checked it is still giving out a radio signal. Everything is the same ie blade and electronics, but it seems adding the new key has knocked the original key out somehow. He tries numerous times to copy the new working key onto the original key, but with no joy.

In the end he gave up.

Anyone know why, and what the solution is?

Thanks in advance.

[bigdom]

NISSANDAL said:

and what the solution is?

Take it to a Nissan dealer

[NISSANDAL]

bigdom said:

Take it to a Nissan dealer

It is a bit of a trek to one, I have to book it in for a recode, (£60) and the earliest they can do is in 3 weeks, when I have to leave my car in the morning and pick up in afternoon, which is not convenient for me.

Hence me asking here is there is an alternative method!

[anonymous-user]

Did you get both keys programmed at the same time? I got the impression that any new keys would have to be encoded at the same time the original key(s) were recoded. I could very well be wrong.

[NISSANDAL]

Simonium said:

Did you get both keys programmed at the same time? I got the impression that any new keys would have to be encoded at the same time the original key(s) were recoded. I could very well be wrong.

He used original key (OK) to programme New Key (NK).
NK then worked, but OK strangely stopped. He tried to reprogramme OK using NK but to no avail.

He tried this numerous times, with 2 different machines.

[bigdom]

NISSANDAL said:

bigdom said:

Take it to a Nissan dealer

It is a bit of a trek to one, I have to book it in for a recode, (£60) and the earliest they can do is in 3 weeks, when I have to leave my car in the morning and pick up in afternoon, which is not convenient for me.

Hence me asking here is there is an alternative method!

Well, you would have paid the other guy? If you've only had 1 key to date, another 3 weeks isn't going to hurt, whether that's convenient or not is subjective and something you missed in the original post.

As an aside, you asked for a solution, not an alternative method.

Another option, sell this car, and buy one that comes with two working keys.

[TooLateForAName]

Get an auto locksmith who knows what they are doing rather than an auto electrician

[Byker28i]

Local Mazda dealer charged me £270 for a new key that wouldn't work as a remote, expected me to open the car and let the alarm go off and then turn the ignition on to stop the alarm. Said it needed a whole new alarm system at £800. This was after 3 weeks and 3 attempts to get the right key.

5 mins from the owners forum showed me the technique to code all keys in 2 mins....

Have a look here: it suggests it's a similar procedure I used:
http://forum.qashqaiclub.co.uk/replacement-key_top...

[irc]

In the linked thread

" I took delivery of my lovely 59 plate silver Acenta QQ last Tuesday. It’s the nicest car I have ever owned! Unfortunately, the garage could only provide one key,"

Personally I'd be wanting to test both keys for a second hand car before handing my cash over.

[NISSANDAL]

bigdom said:

Well, you would have paid the other guy? If you've only had 1 key to date, another 3 weeks isn't going to hurt, whether that's convenient or not is subjective and something you missed in the original post.

As an aside, you asked for a solution, not an alternative method.

Another option, sell this car, and buy one that comes with two working keys.

Dear Big Dom, I agreed a nominal figure with the auto locksmith to cover him for his time. I am a fair man. The extra three weeks will 'hurt' as I am looking to sell the car. I don't see how the inconvenience is 'subjective'? It is 'objective' due to the nature of my job. The fact is waiting three weeks and having to drive a long way to an authorised garage is an inconvenience. Why are you questioning this?

Yes I asked for a 'solution'. An "alternative method" would hopefully give me the 'solution'. How are the two mutually exclusive?

To address your final point, is a key with one key just as marketable as one with two keys? In my opinion no, so not as easy as you suggest to 'sell this car' if I want a decent price for it.

Do you give all new posters on this forum such a warm welcome Big Dom, or do you like flexing your muscles with the new, inexperienced little guys?

Edited by NISSANDAL on Friday 23 February 16:55

[NISSANDAL]

TooLateForAName said:

Get an auto locksmith who knows what they are doing rather than an auto electrician

Sorry, my mistake, it was an auto locksmith not an auto electrician.

[NISSANDAL]

Byker28i said:

Local Mazda dealer charged me £270 for a new key that wouldn't work as a remote, expected me to open the car and let the alarm go off and then turn the ignition on to stop the alarm. Said it needed a whole new alarm system at £800. This was after 3 weeks and 3 attempts to get the right key.

5 mins from the owners forum showed me the technique to code all keys in 2 mins....

Have a look here: it suggests it's a similar procedure I used:
http://forum.qashqaiclub.co.uk/replacement-key_top...

Hi, thanks for the link, I presume this is the key bit I need (no pun untended):

I) Pull out the mechanical key from the ignition switch.
I) Insert the removed key again, and then turn ignition switch ON. Check the security
indicator blinks 5 times.
III) Turn the ignition switch OFF and then remove the mechanical key from the ignition
switch.
IV) Repeat step b) and step c) to register new mechanical keys.
V) Insert a registered mechanical key into the ignition switch and turn the ignition
switch ON, Check the security indicator blinks 5 times.
VI) Turn the ignition switch OFF and then pull out the mechanical key, Check that the
security indicator blinks every 2.6 seconds when the ignition switch is in the OFF position.

[Krikkit]

If the electrician has just cloned the other key's ID without incrementing it, chances are once he used it once it would then keep encrypting the rolling codes to the new key - the old one is left out of the sequence and no longer has the right hash to decode the signal sent.

They should be set up with unique IDs so that the codes are per-fob.

ETA: A bit more detail on defeating the HiTag RKE scheme used by the Quashqai here: https://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~oswalddf/publications/2...

Edited by Krikkit on Friday 23 February 17:00

[lbc]

It sounds like too many keys have been programmed for the car.

The vehicle will probably need to go to a main dealer to reset the number of keys allowed.

[bigdom]

NISSANDAL said:

To address your final point, is a key with one key just as marketable as one with two keys? In my opinion no, so not as easy as you suggest to 'sell this car' if I want a decent price for it.

Do you give all new posters on this forum such a warm welcome Big Dom, or do you like flexing your muscles with the new, inexperienced little guys?

Edited by NISSANDAL on Friday 23 February 16:55

You bought a car with one key, I’ve sold a car with one key. I didn’t advertise as having one key, I didn’t see any price drop, did you get a discount when you purchased? To be fair, you have two keys, so sell as this is the main key, this is the spare.

It’s unlikely to be resolved outside of taking it to a main dealer now as both keys are likely to be factory reset to the ecu, so you’re likely to have to put yourself out if you want to sell it with two keys; unless there’s such a thing as Nissan independent specialists?

Flexing muscles. You’re aware this an Internet forum.

[NISSANDAL]

Thanks Krikkit and lbc.