RE: New Porsche 911 previewed
Discussion
It will be fabulous. 5-10% more expensive and 5-10% quicker. What's gonna be interesting is what's gonna happen when they add a modest 200hp electric motor. A lot faster, turbo fast, unless they drop the six pot for a four. And don't forget the chassis will be used for the 718 so that's going to get bigger too, and more expensive, makes a 4 pot in that seem even less attractive.
anonymous said:
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Hmmm - I see what you’re driving and for sure the scream of the 9500 rpm GT3 is addictive but as a road proposition it’s quite hard to keep a legal speeds and enjoy it and that lack of torque is the culprit really.I know the M4 has come in for a lot of engine noise criticism but I’ve just not found that total lack of joy in it at all - or it’s lack of musicality is made up for by it being such a great package.
Look - I totally understand N/A GT3 - I won’t be selling mine to replace it with a turbo one even if I could twist someone’s arm to sell me one. But at the same time I don’t think we should all write it off as being less rewarding just because it’s turbocharged until we’ve actually tried the thing!
I only used the M4 as an example because it’s a car I also own and which consistently impressed me because of that low down torque afforded to it by the turbo.
I’m not suggesting there is a “one car for all” solution anywhere otherwise we’d all only have one car.
Let’s see.
As per usual the experts of car design, but who just mostly write b
ks on the internet are very vocal!
Porsche will continue to sell whatever they make. They’ll produce a lot of volume cars which need to adhere to a business model and others which don’t. Amusingly neither of these is likely to be purchased by said experts.
ks on the internet are very vocal! Porsche will continue to sell whatever they make. They’ll produce a lot of volume cars which need to adhere to a business model and others which don’t. Amusingly neither of these is likely to be purchased by said experts.
yonex said:
As per usual the experts of car design, but who just mostly write bks on the internet are very vocal!
Porsche will continue to sell whatever they make. They’ll produce a lot of volume cars which need to adhere to a business model and others which don’t. Amusingly neither of these is likely to be purchased by said experts.
I know, it's a bit tedious and repetitive.ks on the internet are very vocal! Porsche will continue to sell whatever they make. They’ll produce a lot of volume cars which need to adhere to a business model and others which don’t. Amusingly neither of these is likely to be purchased by said experts.
I think preferring NA is great (I do) but making judgements of value about people also liking the character of a good turbo engine (they are far from being all equal) and insinuating they are not purists/enthusiasts (not that either have an agreed definition anyway) sounds like posturing to me.
nickfrog said:
I know, it's a bit tedious and repetitive.
I think preferring NA is great (I do) but making judgements of value about people also liking the character of a good turbo engine (they are far from being all equal) and insinuating they are not purists/enthusiasts (not that either have an agreed definition anyway) sounds like posturing to me.
I'm glad it's mot just me. I applaud car companies like Porsche continuing to develop sports cars against the tide of whinging internet types and the general population who want to travel from a to b in absolute cheapness and relative comfort. I think preferring NA is great (I do) but making judgements of value about people also liking the character of a good turbo engine (they are far from being all equal) and insinuating they are not purists/enthusiasts (not that either have an agreed definition anyway) sounds like posturing to me.
People said the FI Boxster would fail, I don't see sales a problem right now. Why can't people see that there is a 2018 reason that these things have to happen, it's not because the manufacturer just can't be bothered.
Yet another squashed beetle with a variation of something or other. And it'll have 37 different versions. Some of which you cant buy due to dubious OPC business practices. I, personally, CBF'd.
To make me really sit up and take notice, why not change the market RADICALLY.
How about they bring out a flying car? Terrafugia Transition are a fraction of the VAG, and yet THEY managed it.
This? Pffft, just more of the same.
To make me really sit up and take notice, why not change the market RADICALLY.
How about they bring out a flying car? Terrafugia Transition are a fraction of the VAG, and yet THEY managed it.
This? Pffft, just more of the same.
big_rob_sydney said:
Yet another squashed beetle with a variation of something or other. And it'll have 37 different versions. Some of which you cant buy due to dubious OPC business practices. I, personally, CBF'd.
To make me really sit up and take notice, why not change the market RADICALLY.
How about they bring out a flying car? Terrafugia Transition are a fraction of the VAG, and yet THEY managed it.
This? Pffft, just more of the same.
Are you sure you are on the correct Forum? This is a Forum for car and motoring enthusiasts. It seems you and certain others only post to try and belittle what you either cannot afford or have no real interest in. Perhaps you have a hobby you like for which you can find a Forum for? Knitting, perhaps? Or a whingers forum? To make me really sit up and take notice, why not change the market RADICALLY.
How about they bring out a flying car? Terrafugia Transition are a fraction of the VAG, and yet THEY managed it.
This? Pffft, just more of the same.
Irrespective of whether a true car enthusiast personally likes the styling of a particular car, he or she would recognise a sporting Marque and it's flagship vehicle for what it is: one of the most iconic cars in motoring History. Denigrating it as "another squashed beetle" simply proves you are not a car enthusiast at all.
The 911 has evolved over time and it would be a real shame - whether you care for it or not - to radically change. It should always remain true to its original styling cues - it is distinctive and immediately recognisable as a sports car that has earned its place as one of the greatest.
Coolbanana said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Yet another squashed beetle with a variation of something or other. And it'll have 37 different versions. Some of which you cant buy due to dubious OPC business practices. I, personally, CBF'd.
To make me really sit up and take notice, why not change the market RADICALLY.
How about they bring out a flying car? Terrafugia Transition are a fraction of the VAG, and yet THEY managed it.
This? Pffft, just more of the same.
Are you sure you are on the correct Forum? This is a Forum for car and motoring enthusiasts. It seems you and certain others only post to try and belittle what you either cannot afford or have no real interest in. Perhaps you have a hobby you like for which you can find a Forum for? Knitting, perhaps? Or a whingers forum? To make me really sit up and take notice, why not change the market RADICALLY.
How about they bring out a flying car? Terrafugia Transition are a fraction of the VAG, and yet THEY managed it.
This? Pffft, just more of the same.
Irrespective of whether a true car enthusiast personally likes the styling of a particular car, he or she would recognise a sporting Marque and it's flagship vehicle for what it is: one of the most iconic cars in motoring History. Denigrating it as "another squashed beetle" simply proves you are not a car enthusiast at all.
The 911 has evolved over time and it would be a real shame - whether you care for it or not - to radically change. It should always remain true to its original styling cues - it is distinctive and immediately recognisable as a sports car that has earned its place as one of the greatest.
Does that mean they should rest on their laurels and just keep churning out similar enough product just to slap a new MY on it and continue shifting metal?
I just get a little tired of seeing what looks the same barring a few tweaks and a bit more of this and a bit more of that. Oh, and adding a lot more to the price. Boring.
I’m not sure it is fair to suggest that the evolution of the 911 has been so glacial that it renders each generation “the same”?
I mean look at a car like the 996 - it’s still relatively recent and yet compare that to the outgoing 991 and tell me they’re only “tweaking” things.
It’s just that Porsche have marketing gold with the 911 and for good reason. It’s a clever design that has fundamentally stood the test of time. As a previous poster said - it’s an icon.
So I don’t think it’s fair at all to berate porsche for their evolutionary progress.
As for the limited numbers game - yep - that sucks pretty bad but remember a lot of those people who do get invited to buy GT cars have spent and lost a fortune on serial production model Porsche’s and an invitation to buy a GT car is almost like their reward. If they get to use it free or make a profit it’s almost like Porsche’s version of a Nectar card!
PS I’m not one of those people on the preferred list incedentally but I know a couple of guys who are and to be fair they do support the brand really well, buy cars and often attend the opc for social events, accessory purchases etc whereas that’s not me at all. So when I think about it to be honest it makes a fair bit of sense. Didn’t feel like that paying over list for my used GT3 but then I didn’t blow £50k on a couple of panameras either so it’s horses for courses.
I mean look at a car like the 996 - it’s still relatively recent and yet compare that to the outgoing 991 and tell me they’re only “tweaking” things.
It’s just that Porsche have marketing gold with the 911 and for good reason. It’s a clever design that has fundamentally stood the test of time. As a previous poster said - it’s an icon.
So I don’t think it’s fair at all to berate porsche for their evolutionary progress.
As for the limited numbers game - yep - that sucks pretty bad but remember a lot of those people who do get invited to buy GT cars have spent and lost a fortune on serial production model Porsche’s and an invitation to buy a GT car is almost like their reward. If they get to use it free or make a profit it’s almost like Porsche’s version of a Nectar card!
PS I’m not one of those people on the preferred list incedentally but I know a couple of guys who are and to be fair they do support the brand really well, buy cars and often attend the opc for social events, accessory purchases etc whereas that’s not me at all. So when I think about it to be honest it makes a fair bit of sense. Didn’t feel like that paying over list for my used GT3 but then I didn’t blow £50k on a couple of panameras either so it’s horses for courses.
nickfrog said:
I know, it's a bit tedious and repetitive.
I think preferring NA is great (I do) but making judgements of value about people also liking the character of a good turbo engine (they are far from being all equal) and insinuating they are not purists/enthusiasts (not that either have an agreed definition anyway) sounds like posturing to me.
Totally agree. It’s nearly as tedious and repetitive as the endless banging on about how anyone who doesn’t worship at the altar of manual gearboxes isn’t an enthusiast / proper driver etc. I think preferring NA is great (I do) but making judgements of value about people also liking the character of a good turbo engine (they are far from being all equal) and insinuating they are not purists/enthusiasts (not that either have an agreed definition anyway) sounds like posturing to me.
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