Tractor questions
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I'm about to buy a 2001 Ford Tractor with the house we are buying which has not been on the road since 2008. It has no documentation so I think I need to get a V62 form from the post office and then apply for a V5. I have no plan to put it back on the road but use it on the land where we live so I have a couple of questions:
- Is getting the V62 form and then V5 the right process?
- I assume I need these items to insure it and have a Q reg plate on it so can insure it without needing the tax/V5
- Given this will never hit the road, it will not need an MOT but I believe it still needs to be roadworthy
- I've read that the tractor needs to comply with PUWER (Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations)?
- Given it's sole use will be for providing food for animals (grass cutting) can I use Red diesel? (There is a tank on the property)
- I'm not clear if I need to register this as SORN?
I used this link to get some information
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/agricultural-vehicle-l...
Any advice would be greatly appreciated
- Is getting the V62 form and then V5 the right process?
- I assume I need these items to insure it and have a Q reg plate on it so can insure it without needing the tax/V5
- Given this will never hit the road, it will not need an MOT but I believe it still needs to be roadworthy
- I've read that the tractor needs to comply with PUWER (Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations)?
- Given it's sole use will be for providing food for animals (grass cutting) can I use Red diesel? (There is a tank on the property)
- I'm not clear if I need to register this as SORN?
I used this link to get some information
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/agricultural-vehicle-l...
Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Do you have any employees?
If not forget PUWER, as there is no ‘work’ unless you are running things as a business.
Other than that I dont really know, I used to wor on farms and their standards of maintenance, repair and budging is at fairground level. Lots of lumps of wood used in machinery.....
If not forget PUWER, as there is no ‘work’ unless you are running things as a business.
Other than that I dont really know, I used to wor on farms and their standards of maintenance, repair and budging is at fairground level. Lots of lumps of wood used in machinery.....
Can't advise on the paperwork areas, sorry.
I think it should be insurable without being registered. Speak to an insurance broker to confirm, I believe the EU have new rules coming in which means all machines need 3rd party insurance just incase a member of the public wanders onto your property and gets injured when you run them over.
It doesn't need to be roadworthy if it's not going on the roads. I recall from my days as a mechanic on those things many tractors were not roadworthy i.e. no working indicators, brake lights, leaked oil everwhere etc. In fact many tractors which went on the road should not have been there but that's another story.
Yes red diesel is fine, they all run on that on the farms.
PUWER if it's only you that's using it wouldn't apply. It's more for employees and ensuring equipment is fit for use for them from my brief exposure to that stuff.
I think it should be insurable without being registered. Speak to an insurance broker to confirm, I believe the EU have new rules coming in which means all machines need 3rd party insurance just incase a member of the public wanders onto your property and gets injured when you run them over.
It doesn't need to be roadworthy if it's not going on the roads. I recall from my days as a mechanic on those things many tractors were not roadworthy i.e. no working indicators, brake lights, leaked oil everwhere etc. In fact many tractors which went on the road should not have been there but that's another story.
Yes red diesel is fine, they all run on that on the farms.
PUWER if it's only you that's using it wouldn't apply. It's more for employees and ensuring equipment is fit for use for them from my brief exposure to that stuff.
The jiffle king said:
- I assume I need these items to insure it and have a Q reg plate on it so can insure it without needing the tax/V5
Talk to your farm insurer about what they need, but if it has a reg, then it doesn't need a Q. V62 should get you the V5C.The jiffle king said:
- Given this will never hit the road, it will not need an MOT but I believe it still needs to be roadworthy
Why? If it's not being used on the road, just use it.The jiffle king said:
- Given it's sole use will be for providing food for animals (grass cutting) can I use Red diesel? (There is a tank on the property)
If it's not being used on the road, or on the road with the usual limited agricultural use, then red is just fine.The jiffle king said:
- I'm not clear if I need to register this as SORN?
Of course!Speak to NFU mutual. They'll see you right for insurance. On my family's (working) farm, we have 5 self propelled ag vehicles. Some are registered, some are sorn, some are taxed. All covered for not much per year by the NFU.
Obviously the sorn/unregistered vehicles don't get used off the farm. I reckon your tractor will fall into that category.
What is it anyway? Got any pics?
Obviously the sorn/unregistered vehicles don't get used off the farm. I reckon your tractor will fall into that category.
What is it anyway? Got any pics?
For “personal use” you’re massively overthinking it and not addressing the areas that will kill/maim you. If the tractor is knackered, so what, it stops working. If you don’t know how to use the implements properly, they usually have the capability to do serious damage. Rather than faffing with V5s, I’d be spending time with a farmer type getting a bit of training on how to do the jobs you want to do safely.
Rather than ask on a forum full of people who think they are an expert in every field just because they can regurgitate the results of a Google search, why don't you just call the DVLA and ask them? Despite people having this urge to slag them off at every opportunity I've always found them to be very helpful and sort issues with no fuss, including the full process of getting a kit car road legal.
The tractor won't need an MOT, if you do take it on the road it still needs to be road worthy. VED for tractors is £0.00, so no need not to tax it. If it stays off road you can fuel it with what ever you want. There are exemptions on what you can do on red diesel, for example, I can't haul muck away from a stable yard on red and without a waste transfer license because 'osses are classed as leisure, not agriculture.
Ring up and check to be sure. Then post pictures of your tractor, as long as it's not green and yellow, if it is, burn it.
Ring up and check to be sure. Then post pictures of your tractor, as long as it's not green and yellow, if it is, burn it.
Thanks for all the replies.
I'll call NFU and see what they can do for me as the other vehicles are already covered.
I'll tax it as well as I might as well and get a mate who knows about tractors to help with specific mechanics and driver training. We only plan to use it for grass cutting and have an attachment
Might as well call the DVLA to check it all is ok and if they have advice
Thanks once again and once we move in next week I'll post some pics of the blue peril
I'll call NFU and see what they can do for me as the other vehicles are already covered.
I'll tax it as well as I might as well and get a mate who knows about tractors to help with specific mechanics and driver training. We only plan to use it for grass cutting and have an attachment
Might as well call the DVLA to check it all is ok and if they have advice
Thanks once again and once we move in next week I'll post some pics of the blue peril
powerstroke said:
Willy Nilly said:
. Then post pictures of your tractor, as long as it's not green and yellow, if it is, burn it.
I'd be envious of JD tractors if I had to drive a McCommic And a Massey Ferguson little better , unless you need a yard scraper 
It was on it's last legs when I got thrown the keys and shown where the lever was to raise the Ransomes triple mower on the rear linkage. Seriously, that was all the formal training I had...
What no-one bothered to mention was that the counterweights that -should- hsve been on the front, as there was no front bucket, had been weighed in by some thieving oik as scrap
It's still the only diesel I have driven that would lift the front wheels on the throttle!
After a few months, that one was scrapped, and replaced by a shiny new MF20, which was much safer, and had a front bucket. Guess how much training I had in using that?
That's right, none at all...
Eighteen months later, I talked my way into an IT job with the council, and a terror was removed from the roads of Sandwell
powerstroke said:
Willy Nilly said:
. Then post pictures of your tractor, as long as it's not green and yellow, if it is, burn it.
I'd be envious of JD tractors if I had to drive a McCommic And a Massey Ferguson little better , unless you need a yard scraper Willy Nilly said:
powerstroke said:
Willy Nilly said:
. Then post pictures of your tractor, as long as it's not green and yellow, if it is, burn it.
I'd be envious of JD tractors if I had to drive a McCommic And a Massey Ferguson little better , unless you need a yard scraper 
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