RE: Renault Clio 182 Trophy: PH Hero

[dickyf]

are you a seller whilst the market is hot for them??quote=lord trumpton]Ive got a 1 owner 29k mile minter tucked away at work.
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[WCZ]

SidewaysSi said:

No they won't. Sorry but much as I like the Trophy when they get to E46 M3, EVO RS money then they make little sense. The Megane, particularly R26R, Trophy R etc on ohlins will be more desirable.

they're already at e46 m3 money for good examples

trophy r on ohlins isn't that special, will never be a collectors car imo, the r26r should remain desirable though

[downhillmalins]

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[lord trumpton]

dickyf said:

are you a seller whilst the market is hot for them??quote=lord trumpton]Ive got a 1 owner 29k mile minter tucked away at work.

I bought it as a long term investment to store correctly in my unit and cash in the years to come.

Obviously if someone were to throw strong money my way then it's a consideration

I know that may be annoying to many PH as they were made to be driven.

I've owned two in the past - one brand new when the EVO reviews were in and another years later so I now how they drive.

I'm just putting money in the bank into certain cars. I've got a few 'investment' icons tucked away

[lord trumpton]

SidewaysSi said:

Trophy-GTA said:

The trophy isn’t about ride quality, cabin materials, lap times, etc etc. It’s designed purely to give the driver that go kart feel. To be fun to drive like a go kart. It’s why they chose the super mario colour scheme as opposed to the more serious French racing blue or racing white. Many people commenting here just don’t get it. Clio Trophy is the reigning king of hot hatches. The very low mileage cars will be worth mega money one day.

Edited by Trophy-GTA on Thursday 1st March 08:54

No they won't. Sorry but much as I like the Trophy when they get to E46 M3, EVO RS money then they make little sense. The Megane, particularly R26R, Trophy R etc on ohlins will be more desirable.

I think the market will prove you wrong in years to come Si.

The e46 M3 for example was produced in the thousands and good ones only are climbing slowly.

The 182 Trophy is the king of the featherweight hot hatches and theres nothing that will be made like it given the climbing weights, turbocharging requirements for emissions, the move to autoboxes and of course the EV revolution. They are the next 205 gti in my book

The path for the trophy is already laid out given the initial hysteria when launched, the fact way less than 500 are available now and articles like this.

[SidewaysSi]

If you service them properly i.e at least annually by a decent specialist then fine. I wouldn't pay top money for cars that have been left for months/years on end with very little use as they inevitably need a refresh.

Yep make some cash on cars. You will be dead soon after all so someone who you probably don't like will take it off you anyway.

[lord trumpton]

SidewaysSi said:

If you service them properly i.e at least annually by a decent specialist then fine. I wouldn't pay top money for cars that have been left for months/years on end with very little use as they inevitably need a refresh.

Yep make some cash on cars. You will be dead soon after all so someone who you probably don't like will take it off you anyway.

Understood. You wouldn't be my target market though (not being arsey) Si. The buyer of a low miler won't care if its been used and serviced regularly post hibernation.

It's in dry, indoor storage, sorned and covered.

Come resale it will be trailered to renault, full fluid, belts, filters done and sold as 'recommissioned'. Those are the requirements of the type that pay top dollar to add to a collection and own a piece of history. Sad, but true - I know the market well.

[blade7]

lord trumpton said:

The path for the trophy is already laid out given the initial hysteria when launched, the fact way less than 500 are available now and articles like this.

You could say the same about the Fiesta ST200, Ford made less than 500. When Trophy and ST200 prices align it will make the Renault look expensive. I don't see turbocharging as a negative either. You're also assuming the classic car bubble won't burst....

Edited by blade7 on Thursday 1st March 13:48

[blade7]

anonymous said:

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Depends if you want to actually drive it, or just trailer it everywhere. For some perspective I looked up some lap times, seems the Trophy was slower around Bedford than a Focus ST

[Patrick Bateman]

blade7 said:

You could say the same about the Fiesta ST200, Ford made less than 500. When Trophy and ST200 prices align it will make the Renault look expensive. I don't see turbocharging as a negative either. You're also assuming the classic car bubble won't burst....

Edited by blade7 on Thursday 1st March 13:48

How much does a well kept 205GTi go for now?

People have been talking about the bubble bursting for a long time now. What won't change is the fact cars won't ever be made the same again so there will always be appeal.

[Alpinestars]

lord trumpton said:

I think the market will prove you wrong in years to come Si.

The e46 M3 for example was produced in the thousands and good ones only are climbing slowly.

The 182 Trophy is the king of the featherweight hot hatches and theres nothing that will be made like it given the climbing weights, turbocharging requirements for emissions, the move to autoboxes and of course the EV revolution. They are the next 205 gti in my book

The path for the trophy is already laid out given the initial hysteria when launched, the fact way less than 500 are available now and articles like this.

How much are 205s? Not really huge money given how long it's been out. Can't see Trophies being big money any time soon, if ever.

[aaron_2000]

Alpinestars said:

How much are 205s? Not really huge money given how long it's been out. Can't see Trophies being big money any time soon, if ever.

The guy who sold me my ST170 touched up the interior of a 205 that sold at auction for £40k+ which is about the most expensive a 205 will go for. Certainly better cars to put away for an investment than a Clio.

[dickyf]

so what's the price?

lord trumpton said:

I bought it as a long term investment to store correctly in my unit and cash in the years to come.

Obviously if someone were to throw strong money my way then it's a consideration

I know that may be annoying to many PH as they were made to be driven.

I've owned two in the past - one brand new when the EVO reviews were in and another years later so I now how they drive.

I'm just putting money in the bank into certain cars. I've got a few 'investment' icons tucked away

[WCZ]

dickyf said:

price

for what it's worth, the highest I know of a trophy selling was a low mile example @ £16,000

[Alpinestars]

WCZ said:

dickyf said:

price

for what it's worth, the highest I know of a trophy selling was a low mile example @ £16,000

22k miles?

[SidewaysSi]

lord trumpton said:

SidewaysSi said:

If you service them properly i.e at least annually by a decent specialist then fine. I wouldn't pay top money for cars that have been left for months/years on end with very little use as they inevitably need a refresh.

Yep make some cash on cars. You will be dead soon after all so someone who you probably don't like will take it off you anyway.

Understood. You wouldn't be my target market though (not being arsey) Si. The buyer of a low miler won't care if its been used and serviced regularly post hibernation.

It's in dry, indoor storage, sorned and covered.

Come resale it will be trailered to renault, full fluid, belts, filters done and sold as 'recommissioned'. Those are the requirements of the type that pay top dollar to add to a collection and own a piece of history. Sad, but true - I know the market well.

Looks like you are spending the bare minimum to maximise the return. I hate the "recommissioning" word as it means the car had only just had a service recently and very little else prior. But I am not your sort of buyer and seems that your car is not my sort of car as I would prefer a cared for example.

You talk about the car as it is extremely analogue but it really isn't. Not in comparison to a 205 Rallye (proper one) for example.

Yes it is a fine car but questionable whether it is the finest ever. Probably not if most journos are to be believed.

And as we all know, an R26R is a better car. If they were remotely in the same ball park really. Price then there is no comparison.

As for the numbers point, they are limited editions but there are plenty of cars around in far, far fewer numbers.

[egomeister]

WCZ said:

for what it's worth, the highest I know of a trophy selling was a low mile example @ £16,000

Above list price, good effort!

[lord trumpton]

dickyf said:

so what's the price?

lord trumpton said:

I bought it as a long term investment to store correctly in my unit and cash in the years to come.

Obviously if someone were to throw strong money my way then it's a consideration

I know that may be annoying to many PH as they were made to be driven.

I've owned two in the past - one brand new when the EVO reviews were in and another years later so I now how they drive.

I'm just putting money in the bank into certain cars. I've got a few 'investment' icons tucked away

Are you the chap who's been emailing me?

[dickyf]

Probably. I've fired off a few in search of a car.

lord trumpton said:

Are you the chap who's been emailing me?

[lord trumpton]

SidewaysSi said:

lord trumpton said:

SidewaysSi said:

If you service them properly i.e at least annually by a decent specialist then fine. I wouldn't pay top money for cars that have been left for months/years on end with very little use as they inevitably need a refresh.

Yep make some cash on cars. You will be dead soon after all so someone who you probably don't like will take it off you anyway.

Understood. You wouldn't be my target market though (not being arsey) Si. The buyer of a low miler won't care if its been used and serviced regularly post hibernation.

It's in dry, indoor storage, sorned and covered.

Come resale it will be trailered to renault, full fluid, belts, filters done and sold as 'recommissioned'. Those are the requirements of the type that pay top dollar to add to a collection and own a piece of history. Sad, but true - I know the market well.

Looks like you are spending the bare minimum to maximise the return. I hate the "recommissioning" word as it means the car had only just had a service recently and very little else prior. But I am not your sort of buyer and seems that your car is not my sort of car as I would prefer a cared for example.

You talk about the car as it is extremely analogue but it really isn't. Not in comparison to a 205 Rallye (proper one) for example.

Yes it is a fine car but questionable whether it is the finest ever. Probably not if most journos are to be believed.

And as we all know, an R26R is a better car. If they were remotely in the same ball park really. Price then there is no comparison.

As for the numbers point, they are limited editions but there are plenty of cars around in far, far fewer numbers.

Look, whatever your opinions are I respect and good luck to you.

I'm not here to argue over points of preference. I'm being upfront - I've bought it, and other cars as an investment and have done over the years. I know what sells and how to maximise returns.

I don't care if the R26.R is better or whatever - it's a decision to buy to make a return. In the same way a banker doesn't really care if they invest in orange juice or oil - it's was going up in value that the point and these cars have done, will do and continue to do so no matter what you think or believe is better or more rare or whatever. It's the opinion of the market that counts

I'm not just a chap that has no interest in cars other than to make money from. My daily drive is an F10 M5 that's losing money daily