Discussion
keo said:
Haha
It’s just that I have got a reliable car which as long as I carry on looking after it I can’t see why it won’t see 150/200k
It’s a pain selling cars. If I sold it for £3000 and bought a car worth £1500 it hardly seams worth it. When I know what I have got is good. All be it very boring!
Ditch finders on the rear wheels then!It’s just that I have got a reliable car which as long as I carry on looking after it I can’t see why it won’t see 150/200k
It’s a pain selling cars. If I sold it for £3000 and bought a car worth £1500 it hardly seams worth it. When I know what I have got is good. All be it very boring!
GeordieInExile said:
grumpy52 said:
All my bangernomic favourites are actually going up in value ,
Volvo 850, s/v/c70s , Saabs , jag xj6 .
All could be had for a few hundreds just a short time ago , I did a quick search the other day and was amazed at how much they have gone up .
You lot have spoiled it for us now !
There are always 9-5 Aero HOTs out there for under a grand. And I do see 9000s for that price level too, and loads of OM 9-3s (including a fair few convertibles).Volvo 850, s/v/c70s , Saabs , jag xj6 .
All could be had for a few hundreds just a short time ago , I did a quick search the other day and was amazed at how much they have gone up .
You lot have spoiled it for us now !
Dame Edna 9-5s and facelift NM 9-3 seem to have stabilised, weirdly.
Bangernomics will get harder and harder as time goes on I think... as the chap above correctly observed, certain big barges that were once plentiful and thus cheap have started to get quite rare and thus values are climbing plus they're also getting old now. Once I take my rose tints off and remember that a 1995 Volvo 850 is actually 23 years old... it's a bit of a wake up. The other issue is a lot of post 2000 stuff, whilst cheap to buy isn't a mechanically simple nor cheap to run on a budget of next to zero, unless of course you opt for the Yaris / Fiesta sort of class.
I'm still driving my 1998 V70 T5 daily, now rapidly approaching 200k and it's third year with me and it still continues to run and run and run and when it does break, it's either a case of ignore and carry on or repair on a budget of next to nothing. Granted, they're slowing disappearing from the local breaker yards too which adds a new challenge. I'm not sure the likes of a cheap 2001 to 2004 era V70 T5 could be run on the same, minimal budget given their complexity and myriad of electronics.
Granted, there is newer stuff that can bough bought and run on a shoestring but I do believe the late 90's was the sweet spot for build quality / simplicity / reliability / affordability which why I'm loathed to part with mine... and why I pray that it just keeps on going!
I'm still driving my 1998 V70 T5 daily, now rapidly approaching 200k and it's third year with me and it still continues to run and run and run and when it does break, it's either a case of ignore and carry on or repair on a budget of next to nothing. Granted, they're slowing disappearing from the local breaker yards too which adds a new challenge. I'm not sure the likes of a cheap 2001 to 2004 era V70 T5 could be run on the same, minimal budget given their complexity and myriad of electronics.
Granted, there is newer stuff that can bough bought and run on a shoestring but I do believe the late 90's was the sweet spot for build quality / simplicity / reliability / affordability which why I'm loathed to part with mine... and why I pray that it just keeps on going!
Davie said:
Bangernomics will get harder and harder as time goes on I think... as the chap above correctly observed, certain big barges that were once plentiful and thus cheap have started to get quite rare and thus values are climbing plus they're also getting old now. Once I take my rose tints off and remember that a 1995 Volvo 850 is actually 23 years old... it's a bit of a wake up. The other issue is a lot of post 2000 stuff, whilst cheap to buy isn't a mechanically simple nor cheap to run on a budget of next to zero, unless of course you opt for the Yaris / Fiesta sort of class.
I'm still driving my 1998 V70 T5 daily, now rapidly approaching 200k and it's third year with me and it still continues to run and run and run and when it does break, it's either a case of ignore and carry on or repair on a budget of next to nothing. Granted, they're slowing disappearing from the local breaker yards too which adds a new challenge. I'm not sure the likes of a cheap 2001 to 2004 era V70 T5 could be run on the same, minimal budget given their complexity and myriad of electronics.
Granted, there is newer stuff that can bough bought and run on a shoestring but I do believe the late 90's was the sweet spot for build quality / simplicity / reliability / affordability which why I'm loathed to part with mine... and why I pray that it just keeps on going!
I'm with you on the late 90's stuff but I think you could probably run a V70 2004/05 like you have your 850 and it not be ruinous?I'm still driving my 1998 V70 T5 daily, now rapidly approaching 200k and it's third year with me and it still continues to run and run and run and when it does break, it's either a case of ignore and carry on or repair on a budget of next to nothing. Granted, they're slowing disappearing from the local breaker yards too which adds a new challenge. I'm not sure the likes of a cheap 2001 to 2004 era V70 T5 could be run on the same, minimal budget given their complexity and myriad of electronics.
Granted, there is newer stuff that can bough bought and run on a shoestring but I do believe the late 90's was the sweet spot for build quality / simplicity / reliability / affordability which why I'm loathed to part with mine... and why I pray that it just keeps on going!
The 90's saw some big strides in rust prevention from the factory, no massive drive for efficiency and I think lower computer aided design input so often things were over engineered/had a higher safety factor. It's probably a little rose tinted glasses, but I too am less confident of current cars abilities to keep going for as long......but then as always it's probably our (in general - we are the odd ones here!) reluctance to keep them going, due to government incentives, image or the low price of far less used ones making scrapping easy/sensible.
Scootersp said:
I'm with you on the late 90's stuff but I think you could probably run a V70 2004/05 like you have your 850 and it not be ruinous?
Hmmm, personal experience says otherwise. Few years back I bought a 2001 V70 T5 Auto for sub £500 money and ran it for a year and whilst it was on the whole, ok... it had a issues with the Gearbox, the dash would randomly flicker, it'd sporadically throw up ABS / service warnings and on the whole it just felt worn out, tired and a bit flat and granted, an older car but the costs to replace worn parts was vast... multi-link rear suspension and such like fairly added to the complexity and thus cost.
Latterly, I bought the 1998 V70 T5 Auto, so the first shape (basically a facelifted 850) and it's had three years of hard work, including numerous Euro trips and even though it's done 70k more and was even cheaper, it's been so much easier to live with. I've never had any electrical gremlins, the rear beam is a fairly solid bit of engineering and the the gearbox, despite the abuse is flawless so really aside for tyres, brakes, lower arms and a few running repairs to the exhaust and a track rod end or two... which to be fair I could have ignored for a while longer.
So yes, appreciate that anything can be bought and run on a budget, I think the more complex cars become the harder that is to do but there's also that sweet spot between having something new enough to avoid the terminal rot / utterly worn out phase and not too new that you end up with complex electronics and suspension. I suppose it's like saying a Mk3 Cavalier is a far more solid and simple old Hector compared to the equivalent Vectra B and so on.
Hate to sound like a fan boy but I really struggle to see beyond an old 850 / early V70 for a cheap, reliable old tool... I have a later spec V70 and also a V50 but the old V70 is by far the better car, almost a shame that it's looking a bit tired these days but again that's part of the appeal. Hopefully it'll keep going, granted there's a few wee niggles that I should perhaps address soon but that's kinda defying the logic behind Bangernomics!
Davie said:
Scootersp said:
I'm with you on the late 90's stuff but I think you could probably run a V70 2004/05 like you have your 850 and it not be ruinous?
Hmmm, personal experience says otherwise. Few years back I bought a 2001 V70 T5 Auto for sub £500 money and ran it for a year and whilst it was on the whole, ok... it had a issues with the Gearbox, the dash would randomly flicker, it'd sporadically throw up ABS / service warnings and on the whole it just felt worn out, tired and a bit flat and granted, an older car but the costs to replace worn parts was vast... multi-link rear suspension and such like fairly added to the complexity and thus cost.
Latterly, I bought the 1998 V70 T5 Auto, so the first shape (basically a facelifted 850) and it's had three years of hard work, including numerous Euro trips and even though it's done 70k more and was even cheaper, it's been so much easier to live with. I've never had any electrical gremlins, the rear beam is a fairly solid bit of engineering and the the gearbox, despite the abuse is flawless so really aside for tyres, brakes, lower arms and a few running repairs to the exhaust and a track rod end or two... which to be fair I could have ignored for a while longer.
So yes, appreciate that anything can be bought and run on a budget, I think the more complex cars become the harder that is to do but there's also that sweet spot between having something new enough to avoid the terminal rot / utterly worn out phase and not too new that you end up with complex electronics and suspension. I suppose it's like saying a Mk3 Cavalier is a far more solid and simple old Hector compared to the equivalent Vectra B and so on.
Hate to sound like a fan boy but I really struggle to see beyond an old 850 / early V70 for a cheap, reliable old tool... I have a later spec V70 and also a V50 but the old V70 is by far the better car, almost a shame that it's looking a bit tired these days but again that's part of the appeal. Hopefully it'll keep going, granted there's a few wee niggles that I should perhaps address soon but that's kinda defying the logic behind Bangernomics!
My wife ran one for years, I borrowed to tow my track car to Lydden one weekend. Race car gave up so took the Volvo out
& promptly blew the bottom end. That was a disaster of a weekend. I sort of refer to my car as a banger, maybe its not but it feels like one to me with myself identifying as a petrolhead. All my colleagues in similar roles have <3 year old fairly expensive cars. (RR Evoque, SQ5, C Class coupe etc)
I used to lease a top spec Leon which costed about £300 per month and costed about £8k over just two years (Excess mileage charges...)
After that, I decided that was too much money and I wanted to save for a house so bought an eight year old Mazda for £3.5k with 110k miles on the clock and I love it so much.
It has Bluetooth, sat nav, Xenon lights, full leather, heated seats, excellent Bose system, key-less entry, auto lights & wipers, cruise, armrest etc. If I curb the alloys or bump a post I just don't care - it's a wonderful feeling!
Plan is to run it into the ground until it becomes beyond economical repair. I'm not far off averaging down to a TCO of £100 per month which versus a £300 car allowance
I used to lease a top spec Leon which costed about £300 per month and costed about £8k over just two years (Excess mileage charges...)
After that, I decided that was too much money and I wanted to save for a house so bought an eight year old Mazda for £3.5k with 110k miles on the clock and I love it so much.
It has Bluetooth, sat nav, Xenon lights, full leather, heated seats, excellent Bose system, key-less entry, auto lights & wipers, cruise, armrest etc. If I curb the alloys or bump a post I just don't care - it's a wonderful feeling!
Plan is to run it into the ground until it becomes beyond economical repair. I'm not far off averaging down to a TCO of £100 per month which versus a £300 car allowance
3.5k!
Here's one of mine.... The family shed.... Aka "deadman's car" bought unseen on eBay with no mot and showing 42k for £440....
Its a one owner garaged it's whole life car, With 29 Subaru stamps (yes really, its had 6 cam belts) old boy has scuffed the corners a bit which is perfect for us as I sold the previous car due to it picking up damage too often.
Cosmetically I don't care, mechanically it continues to want for nothing and I shall continue to care for it well.... So far the Mrs has put 38k on it in 22 months and its cost a service (£190) and 4 tyres (£240)......
We won't mention fuel as its a 2.5!
Photos not great but its a 98 Subaru legacy, minty inside and underneath
Even this is still not bangernomics - this is a shed due to it being maintained well but just old (to some)
I have a true bangernomics car but no photo - I will take one and post tomorrow - it should've died years ago.
Here's one of mine.... The family shed.... Aka "deadman's car" bought unseen on eBay with no mot and showing 42k for £440....
Its a one owner garaged it's whole life car, With 29 Subaru stamps (yes really, its had 6 cam belts) old boy has scuffed the corners a bit which is perfect for us as I sold the previous car due to it picking up damage too often.
Cosmetically I don't care, mechanically it continues to want for nothing and I shall continue to care for it well.... So far the Mrs has put 38k on it in 22 months and its cost a service (£190) and 4 tyres (£240)......
We won't mention fuel as its a 2.5!
Photos not great but its a 98 Subaru legacy, minty inside and underneath
Even this is still not bangernomics - this is a shed due to it being maintained well but just old (to some)
I have a true bangernomics car but no photo - I will take one and post tomorrow - it should've died years ago.
GeordieInExile said:
Superchickenn said:
I paid a few hundred for my 9-5 aero hot a few years back... still super reliable just haven't moved in the last few years due to other car uses
Now, if you were to want to get rid of it...
Lot of comment on here about the unreliability of the electrics. In my view, there's not too much need to be scared to death of them. Most of the time, electrical issues are caused by the little buggers not being soldered together properly, and in many cases not at all. There's a whole pile of DIY repair videos on You tube, and there are a load of small businesses in real life and the internet that offer economic repair of these.
I know we are auto electricians, but even we offer electronic handbrake repairs, Vauxhall CIM, Fiat 500 dash, VAG door locks etc etc. Most of the time this is because we have come across it before, worked out what's gone wrong, and repaired the little blighter, and offered the service to others. You tube, and Ebay are powerful tools in the fight to keep an old car running at minimum cost.
I know we are auto electricians, but even we offer electronic handbrake repairs, Vauxhall CIM, Fiat 500 dash, VAG door locks etc etc. Most of the time this is because we have come across it before, worked out what's gone wrong, and repaired the little blighter, and offered the service to others. You tube, and Ebay are powerful tools in the fight to keep an old car running at minimum cost.
Bangernomics enough?
Almost 2 years into this one.
267k on the odo and bodily RAF.
Purchased for 425
Last mot 100 to get through Inc the test cost
No servicing at all
One puncture repair at 10
Cambelt was due jan18..it won't be getting done cambelt roulette is the name of the game.
I've had a look over it I see no reason for it not to pass it's mot this year lol.
Absolutely love Bangernomics
Love cheap motoring. I was one of those who wasted thousands on cars, and you know what I probably will do again.
But since start if this year I've been in my banger Toyota avensis, it's so boring yet works. I am one of those who is willing to spend a little on these cars to keep them safe and going.
My Toyota is far from perfect but with the right care it's got plenty of life left in it yet.
I will most likely be buying another shed after this one, love the idea of a Subaru, but I like to go for cars where parts and cheap and easy to come by. Of which a Subaru is not.
But since start if this year I've been in my banger Toyota avensis, it's so boring yet works. I am one of those who is willing to spend a little on these cars to keep them safe and going.
My Toyota is far from perfect but with the right care it's got plenty of life left in it yet.
I will most likely be buying another shed after this one, love the idea of a Subaru, but I like to go for cars where parts and cheap and easy to come by. Of which a Subaru is not.
Hello all,
I’ve been lurking for a bit, but now after some advice.
Mrs 916 is due with our third soon and giving up work, so we are going to be skint for the next year or so.
We currently have a boring C Max but she wants a seven seater.
So a few questions for a high mileage 10 years + car.
1. Auto v’s Manuel, what’s more likely, clutch replacement or auto box gives up?
2. Diesel v’s petrol. Is it worth me getting an old petrol, we only do less than 5k a year so I’m not bothered about mpg. They seem to be a lot cheaper.
3. What shall I keep away from, mate said XC90 as they cost a fortune to repair, stick with a ford, someone else said Toyota are generally long lasting....?
4. Any other advice?
Cheers
I’ve been lurking for a bit, but now after some advice.
Mrs 916 is due with our third soon and giving up work, so we are going to be skint for the next year or so.
We currently have a boring C Max but she wants a seven seater.
So a few questions for a high mileage 10 years + car.
1. Auto v’s Manuel, what’s more likely, clutch replacement or auto box gives up?
2. Diesel v’s petrol. Is it worth me getting an old petrol, we only do less than 5k a year so I’m not bothered about mpg. They seem to be a lot cheaper.
3. What shall I keep away from, mate said XC90 as they cost a fortune to repair, stick with a ford, someone else said Toyota are generally long lasting....?
4. Any other advice?
Cheers
916 said:
Hello all,
I’ve been lurking for a bit, but now after some advice.
Mrs 916 is due with our third soon and giving up work, so we are going to be skint for the next year or so.
We currently have a boring C Max but she wants a seven seater.
So a few questions for a high mileage 10 years + car.
1. Auto v’s Manuel, what’s more likely, clutch replacement or auto box gives up?
2. Diesel v’s petrol. Is it worth me getting an old petrol, we only do less than 5k a year so I’m not bothered about mpg. They seem to be a lot cheaper.
3. What shall I keep away from, mate said XC90 as they cost a fortune to repair, stick with a ford, someone else said Toyota are generally long lasting....?
4. Any other advice?
Cheers
I’ve been lurking for a bit, but now after some advice.
Mrs 916 is due with our third soon and giving up work, so we are going to be skint for the next year or so.
We currently have a boring C Max but she wants a seven seater.
So a few questions for a high mileage 10 years + car.
1. Auto v’s Manuel, what’s more likely, clutch replacement or auto box gives up?
2. Diesel v’s petrol. Is it worth me getting an old petrol, we only do less than 5k a year so I’m not bothered about mpg. They seem to be a lot cheaper.
3. What shall I keep away from, mate said XC90 as they cost a fortune to repair, stick with a ford, someone else said Toyota are generally long lasting....?
4. Any other advice?
Cheers
In your situation I would have thought a manual petrol Galaxy would fit the bill.
Years ago (nearly 20) I borrowed a couple of them from my employer - one was a manual 2 litre Ghia, the other was an auto 2.3 litre LX (I think).
The 2.3 was a bit quicker, but the 2.0 being a Ghia had so many more toys - even heated seats!
Even if you needed a clutch and a DMF on a manual that won't cost as much as a replacement autobox.
And they drove much better than I expected.
Years ago (nearly 20) I borrowed a couple of them from my employer - one was a manual 2 litre Ghia, the other was an auto 2.3 litre LX (I think).
The 2.3 was a bit quicker, but the 2.0 being a Ghia had so many more toys - even heated seats!
Even if you needed a clutch and a DMF on a manual that won't cost as much as a replacement autobox.
And they drove much better than I expected.
916 said:
Nice one, took me a few minutes to work it out, I’m a bit slow, so auto box, Spanish waiter or manual gearbox?
Whilst not a scientific study, my experience of 15+ year old auto gearboxes - Toyota, Nissan and Lexus (Toyota!) are fine, VW and Volvo suffer from gearbox flare. For waiters in dodgy hotels, check the bulkhead around the clutch pedal - my old Golf and MGF had rusty bulkheads and the clutch pedal went through the bulkhead as it requires a lot of resistance to depress the pedal.
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