RE: Toyota GT86 v Peugeot Sport 208 GTI
Discussion
CABC said:
LordGrover said:
Planning on buying another GT86 sometime this year. 
Really interested to hear more of your thoughts on this. I never bought into your move to the z4. Great engine, yes. But the whole package was lacking surely?Z4 in 35i DCT guise is a great looking GT/cruiser with a decent dollop of grunt, roof-down fun and pretty comfy. Completely different beast to the GT86, but that is what I wanted. Not a nimble or fun car to drive anywhere near the limit, but pretty quick in a straight line and enjoyable nonetheless. The only downside for me was struggling to get much more than 20mpg - couldn't justify it longterm.
Have a stop-gap now while I decide what to get next, but there's nothing that ticks the boxes for me like the GT86, apart from maybe the MX-5 RF. Great drive but I'm not sold on the looks.
LordGrover said:
Several things conspired to make the change to the E89, primarily the FA20 seizing, but also having made some poor decisions re modding the Toyota I needed a change. Cue the Z4.
Z4 in 35i DCT guise is a great looking GT/cruiser with a decent dollop of grunt, roof-down fun and pretty comfy. Completely different beast to the GT86, but that is what I wanted. Not a nimble or fun car to drive anywhere near the limit, but pretty quick in a straight line and enjoyable nonetheless. The only downside for me was struggling to get much more than 20mpg - couldn't justify it longterm.
Have a stop-gap now while I decide what to get next, but there's nothing that ticks the boxes for me like the GT86, apart from maybe the MX-5 RF. Great drive but I'm not sold on the looks.
What went wrong about modding the gt86?Z4 in 35i DCT guise is a great looking GT/cruiser with a decent dollop of grunt, roof-down fun and pretty comfy. Completely different beast to the GT86, but that is what I wanted. Not a nimble or fun car to drive anywhere near the limit, but pretty quick in a straight line and enjoyable nonetheless. The only downside for me was struggling to get much more than 20mpg - couldn't justify it longterm.
Have a stop-gap now while I decide what to get next, but there's nothing that ticks the boxes for me like the GT86, apart from maybe the MX-5 RF. Great drive but I'm not sold on the looks.
LasseV said:
What went wrong about modding the gt86?
A few things really:- ARBs were a big mistake - made it far too rigid and crashy for day-to-day use. I didn't understand that properly and blamed the lowering springs. Switched back to stock springs and still lousy ride. (Finally got it right with stock ARBs and Bilstein coilovers, but I'd started to mistrust it by then after the engine seized).
- My combination of exhaust and manifold improved performance but made it loud and shouty.
- Never sure whether the mapping was a factor in the engine seizing. Obvs, everyone involved said no, but...
- Various cosmetic changes were just for the sake of change really and added nothing.
LordGrover said:
A few things really:
Interesting. Abbey's suspension package is 16mm rear arb and front bushes. I've briefly driven one and it seemed 'alert'. was your issue with the front arb, or too thick a rear arb?- ARBs were a big mistake - made it far too rigid and crashy for day-to-day use. I didn't understand that properly and blamed the lowering springs. Switched back to stock springs and still lousy ride. (Finally got it right with stock ARBs and Bilstein coilovers, but I'd started to mistrust it by then after the engine seized).
as a side note, I've really enjoy making these type of mods on a step by step basis. I've learned so much. Stepping into a perfect car or one where too many mods made in one step teaches you far less. mistakes are costly and and take you backwards, but hey ho. And you won't be leaving you next one alone for too long either...
LordGrover said:
LasseV said:
What went wrong about modding the gt86?
A few things really:- ARBs were a big mistake - made it far too rigid and crashy for day-to-day use. I didn't understand that properly and blamed the lowering springs. Switched back to stock springs and still lousy ride. (Finally got it right with stock ARBs and Bilstein coilovers, but I'd started to mistrust it by then after the engine seized).
- My combination of exhaust and manifold improved performance but made it loud and shouty.
- Never sure whether the mapping was a factor in the engine seizing. Obvs, everyone involved said no, but...
- Various cosmetic changes were just for the sake of change really and added nothing.
CABC said:
LordGrover said:
A few things really:
Interesting. Abbey's suspension package is 16mm rear arb and front bushes. I've briefly driven one and it seemed 'alert'. was your issue with the front arb, or too thick a rear arb?- ARBs were a big mistake - made it far too rigid and crashy for day-to-day use. I didn't understand that properly and blamed the lowering springs. Switched back to stock springs and still lousy ride. (Finally got it right with stock ARBs and Bilstein coilovers, but I'd started to mistrust it by then after the engine seized).
as a side note, I've really enjoy making these type of mods on a step by step basis. I've learned so much. Stepping into a perfect car or one where too many mods made in one step teaches you far less. mistakes are costly and and take you backwards, but hey ho. And you won't be leaving you next one alone for too long either...
The exhaust again, it's tough to find something with balance for daily drivers, that sounds good without making your ears bleed.
JB! said:
The problem is, very few companies will tell you the negatives of making changes, everyone is trying to sell you!
The exhaust again, it's tough to find something with balance for daily drivers, that sounds good without making your ears bleed.
Not helped by all the muppets on forums who tell you their straight pipe is "quiet with barely any drone". The exhaust again, it's tough to find something with balance for daily drivers, that sounds good without making your ears bleed.
Flibble said:
JB! said:
The problem is, very few companies will tell you the negatives of making changes, everyone is trying to sell you!
The exhaust again, it's tough to find something with balance for daily drivers, that sounds good without making your ears bleed.
Not helped by all the muppets on forums who tell you their straight pipe is "quiet with barely any drone". The exhaust again, it's tough to find something with balance for daily drivers, that sounds good without making your ears bleed.
The GT86/BRZ is particularly noisy when you change the manifold as well as the rest of the system, as when you remove the factory one with a big cat in, and go down to just a secondary cat, you lose a bit of muffling.
I run a Perrin 3" cat-back, and it's noisy on cold start, and quite loud from outside, but inside the cabin it's ok.
LordGrover said:
A few things really:
Weird, ARB shouldn't affect ride quality, they must have been solid..- ARBs were a big mistake - made it far too rigid and crashy for day-to-day use. I didn't understand that properly and blamed the lowering springs. Switched back to stock springs and still lousy ride. (Finally got it right with stock ARBs and Bilstein coilovers, but I'd started to mistrust it by then after the engine seized).
JB! said:
Flibble said:
JB! said:
The problem is, very few companies will tell you the negatives of making changes, everyone is trying to sell you!
The exhaust again, it's tough to find something with balance for daily drivers, that sounds good without making your ears bleed.
Not helped by all the muppets on forums who tell you their straight pipe is "quiet with barely any drone". The exhaust again, it's tough to find something with balance for daily drivers, that sounds good without making your ears bleed.
The GT86/BRZ is particularly noisy when you change the manifold as well as the rest of the system, as when you remove the factory one with a big cat in, and go down to just a secondary cat, you lose a bit of muffling.
I run a Perrin 3" cat-back, and it's noisy on cold start, and quite loud from outside, but inside the cabin it's ok.
CABC said:
Interesting. Abbey's suspension package is 16mm rear arb and front bushes. I've briefly driven one and it seemed 'alert'. was your issue with the front arb, or too thick a rear arb?
as a side note, I've really enjoy making these type of mods on a step by step basis. I've learned so much. Stepping into a perfect car or one where too many mods made in one step teaches you far less. mistakes are costly and and take you backwards, but hey ho. And you won't be leaving you next one alone for too long either...
yes, I usually end up going back to standard as you eventually realise the manufacturer knows more then you about chassis set ups!as a side note, I've really enjoy making these type of mods on a step by step basis. I've learned so much. Stepping into a perfect car or one where too many mods made in one step teaches you far less. mistakes are costly and and take you backwards, but hey ho. And you won't be leaving you next one alone for too long either...
thiscocks said:
yes, I usually end up going back to standard as you eventually realise the manufacturer knows more then you about chassis set ups!
It depends what your priority is, you can always improve stock handling performance if you are prepared to sacrifice some of the factory compromises they have to make to produce a rounded road car for the majority of the market.sr.guiri said:
Why are people saying the GT86 doesn't have enough power? Enough power for what? Are we talking about how this car drives, or whether it'd win at Top Trumps?
Sadly that's exactly what people do when they compare cars these days. It's why you can now buy a 300+ bhp hot hatch when all the classic ones from the 80s ran out at around 110-120. Mound Dawg said:
sr.guiri said:
Why are people saying the GT86 doesn't have enough power? Enough power for what? Are we talking about how this car drives, or whether it'd win at Top Trumps?
Sadly that's exactly what people do when they compare cars these days. It's why you can now buy a 300+ bhp hot hatch when all the classic ones from the 80s ran out at around 110-120. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff