RE: McLaren Senna GTR: Geneva 2018
Discussion
p1stonhead said:
You cant see it when you are inside it on a track you know.
I cant fathom someone who wouldnt want a go in one. The fact you would be too embarrassed to be seen in one says more about you than the car.
Bizarre.
You’re right of course. It does say a lot about me that I care about what something looks like. I cant fathom someone who wouldnt want a go in one. The fact you would be too embarrassed to be seen in one says more about you than the car.
Bizarre.
Edited by p1stonhead on Wednesday 7th March 14:44
For example, a P1 / GTR, FXXK, F1 etc. I’d love to have a go in.
I just think this thing is bloody awful (and unnecessarily so), but I’m pretty sure McLaren don’t care too much what I think.
Steve12NG said:
I’m pretty sure McLaren don’t care too much what I think.
Did they not invite you to the car clinic or customer reveal?To be honest, it's a tool rather than a wall painting. It's not for Kensington it's for an international motor racing circuit (although how many end up there and how many end up never turning a wheel under power is another debate).
I'm still of the opinion that they've already stated they created the Senna as the ultimate track car and whilst I dispute the intent of the wording on their website, they still claimed the 'standard' Senna was built without compromise for the track. There clearly was a compromise, be it to make it road legal or just so they could add a wilder car that's become the GTR that they can sell for more dosh.
It might be ugly or beautiful, I can't tell, but I guess it must be warranted by their sales and marketing team and I'm sure they would sell as many as they can make every single time. What I can't work out is where and who are all these people with all this money spending it on cars that can never be used on a public road?
Quickmoose said:
exactly..
The Senna, was/is a no compromise road legal track car..... which is, if you consider the two functions admitting that both are now compromised....which does not in any way justify brutal ugly design..(Mark Reichman at Aston "Adrian Newey had the underneath to work the aero and do what he does, I had the less important upper surfaces to both manipulate the air and create beautiful simply lines and form "..or something).
The Senna GTR is McLarens no rules, lets go, this is it, track ONLY car.... no compromise for the public highway.... but it's still goping? the lack of compromise has seen some changes...the wing is further back yey...the exhausts have moved woo...all of which is odd because when Aston recently unveiled their track only uncompromised version (admittedly at 85%), Mark Reichman said.....well he said the roughly paraphrased quote above...
Point is, road legal track compromise or track only hang-the-rules all out madness, McLaren = dreadful design, Aston = (comparatively) gorgeous...
So it can be done, and "brutal" excuses now and always did sound like BS...panic station development, car collector subsidised BS.
Also GT3RS, Performante, 488 Pista, all road legal track focused compromises that look superb.
911 WEC GTE, 488 WEC GTE, both look favourable too...
You know why that is? because they started somewhere good...
Who said "if it looks fast it probably is fast"?
yeah yeah I know, I don't half go on.
boils my p1ss when marques of this calibre make toss like this.
If the Senna were made by a start up Chinese dream factory, it'd be laughed out of the show...
Knew you’d be along again... The Senna, was/is a no compromise road legal track car..... which is, if you consider the two functions admitting that both are now compromised....which does not in any way justify brutal ugly design..(Mark Reichman at Aston "Adrian Newey had the underneath to work the aero and do what he does, I had the less important upper surfaces to both manipulate the air and create beautiful simply lines and form "..or something).
The Senna GTR is McLarens no rules, lets go, this is it, track ONLY car.... no compromise for the public highway.... but it's still goping? the lack of compromise has seen some changes...the wing is further back yey...the exhausts have moved woo...all of which is odd because when Aston recently unveiled their track only uncompromised version (admittedly at 85%), Mark Reichman said.....well he said the roughly paraphrased quote above...
Point is, road legal track compromise or track only hang-the-rules all out madness, McLaren = dreadful design, Aston = (comparatively) gorgeous...
So it can be done, and "brutal" excuses now and always did sound like BS...panic station development, car collector subsidised BS.
Also GT3RS, Performante, 488 Pista, all road legal track focused compromises that look superb.
911 WEC GTE, 488 WEC GTE, both look favourable too...
You know why that is? because they started somewhere good...
Who said "if it looks fast it probably is fast"?
yeah yeah I know, I don't half go on.
boils my p1ss when marques of this calibre make toss like this.
If the Senna were made by a start up Chinese dream factory, it'd be laughed out of the show...
Anything new to add?
Nope, thought not.
If I were you I’d stop trolling McLaren Senna threads as all that p1ss boiling has got to hurt.
We all know you don’t like the way it looks so your work is done.
By the way, plenty of people have commented on how ugly the Valkyrie is. Yes really. Lots of people really hate the styling. (Check out the various threads).
Yet you hold it up as a paragon of virtue.
Kind of weakens your position on the Senna don’t you think?
Edited by Maldini35 on Wednesday 7th March 20:22
HighwayStar said:
Apologies Rich. So sorry. Clearly you know everything and I defer to your better judgment and superior knowledge. The only thing you got wrong is I don’t work for Mclaren but most of the people who actually like it obviously do. I will now follow all your posts because you are a man who is well informed, knows what he’s talking about 
I see your 
Difference of opinion is fine. But some here blindly praise EVERYTHING that McLaren churn out. In a way THOSE people are responsible for this Senna nonsense
Id suggest to some, that if you can explain your views it would help Don Colione said:
Another few thoughts/observations/questions...
The (race) exhaust is placed so close to the carbon side skirts; won't the heat end up melting or damaging them after some use, needing frequent expensive repair?
Also, I could be wrong... but the heat expelled by the side exhausts seems like it is being introduced right into or around the cooler diffuser airflow now. Wouldn't this result in massive turbulence at higher speeds, which is why it was placed higher up to begin with?
Finally, wouldn't the heated air from the exhaust, now generate an updraft of thermally heated air; right before the rear wheels, and rear undercarriage resulting in possible turbulent lift, especially at high speeds?
Lol... I'm sure McLaren will have that all cleared up for us in the next lengthy press release... I'm quite sure they are not done trying to shove this car down our throats just yet. This effort garnered my sympathy lol... they sure are trying ain't they....
What gets me re the exhausts is that on the road car they are "functional and help downforce" Yet on the GTR they have completely repositioned them. Which suggests that one solution is incorrect. Or worse, were only done for looks.The (race) exhaust is placed so close to the carbon side skirts; won't the heat end up melting or damaging them after some use, needing frequent expensive repair?
Also, I could be wrong... but the heat expelled by the side exhausts seems like it is being introduced right into or around the cooler diffuser airflow now. Wouldn't this result in massive turbulence at higher speeds, which is why it was placed higher up to begin with?
Finally, wouldn't the heated air from the exhaust, now generate an updraft of thermally heated air; right before the rear wheels, and rear undercarriage resulting in possible turbulent lift, especially at high speeds?
Lol... I'm sure McLaren will have that all cleared up for us in the next lengthy press release... I'm quite sure they are not done trying to shove this car down our throats just yet. This effort garnered my sympathy lol... they sure are trying ain't they....
Maldini35 said:
Unfortunately FIA regs and road legal requirements differ.
Absolutely.But look at 488 vs GTE
Clearly there is a splitter and I daresay a different diffuser under the race car. But it's no where near as ridiculous as the bosozuku Senna GTR
E65Ross said:
Those moaning about the Senna saying it's compromised etc and thus pointless, do you say the same RE Porsche GT3RS etc? Look pretty silly as a road car, not as quick as a proper track car....principle is the same, no?
No, whilst the RS is a very stiff road car. Porsche thankfully steered clear of calling it "The Bellof" and crucially it's meant as a track/road car. And inherently compromised. McLarens marketing department are trying to claim the car is the best ever at track work when everyone knows it will be compromised like the RS. It's this "head in the sand" that makes McLaren look daft.Well that and the fact that this is possibly the ugliest major manufacturer car of the last 2 years!
E65Ross said:
I feel sad that people like me get so irate about it simply because other people criticise my favoured company
Edited by Rich_W on Wednesday 7th March 21:14
E65Ross said:
Bit odd you've picked the 488 race car for comparison, because by the GT rules it has to be based on a road car, and has its own rules and regulations to follow so not really a very good example to be honest. Plus, I think even the road car makes more downforce than the 488 racer.
I was addressing the suggestion that this GTR will eventually go racing. If it does it can't have THAT diffuser or splitter (reg will exclude it)You make a good point (first time!
) that the race car has less downforce. Assuming that's true. It makes a mockery of McLaren using the 1000kg number to impress. Since it proves that on a circuit all that downforce means it's slower (drag)anniesdad said:
488 Pista looks mega...
As does the Performante and the 991.2RSWhich one will people want in 10, 20, 50 years time?
Edited by Rich_W on Wednesday 7th March 22:20
fblm said:
Maldini35 said:
Knew you’d be along again...
Anything new to add?
Nope, thought not.
If I were you I’d stop trolling McLaren Senna threads...
Er....Anything new to add?
Nope, thought not.
If I were you I’d stop trolling McLaren Senna threads...
anything at all to add Maldy? apart from snide personal remarks, and cute emojis I mean??
Nope...thought not....
Rich_W said:
I was addressing the suggestion that this GTR will eventually go racing. If it does it can't have THAT diffuser or splitter (reg will exclude it)
Are you so sure about the diffuser or front splitter if the P15 does go to GTE (notwithstanding the fact I still think it'd be daft to send that car rather than a 720)?
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