RE: JLR Classic Defender V8: Driven
Discussion
Brynjaminjones said:
LewisR said:
"all-wheel drive" ??
What's wrong with stating 4WD ?
I would guess that it's to highlight that it's in permanent 4wd with a centre differential.What's wrong with stating 4WD ?
AWD power is constant to all four wheels at the same time.
4WD power is moved back and forth when needed.
IIRC anyway.
TooMany2cvs said:
As for the ride improving - do we think that might be something to do with the suspension now being uselessly s
t off-road? Those wheels certainly will be.
Do you mean tyres not wheels which are all-terrain so actually good off-road? And where are you presuming the suspension is not rubbish off-road? Do you make the same assertions about a RR as they ride well? Bringing this car up to date does not have to have impacted any of its off road abilities.t off-road? Those wheels certainly will be.Edited by Pintofbest on Wednesday 7th March 11:16
akirk said:
sidesauce said:
A case of too little, too late perhaps...?
too littletoo late
too much
how can any company justify charging £150k for that?!
so it pushes power up to 400bhp and sorts out some sloppy steering, adds new brakes / gearbox and tweaks the suspension - finishes it with some leather inside... If you add up those costs you might just get to half the selling price... I am having a new engine built for my RRC - c. £3-4k cost we are aiming at 300bhp with good torque, but it wouldn't have been that challenging to get it to 400 / 500 bhp etc.
A Chevy LS7 7.0litre / 500+bhp is here for £13k: http://www.partsworldperformance.com/ls7-v8-crate-...
how exactly do they get to £150k?!
bizarre what people will pay!
A mate had a 50th Anniversary which he had converted by Overfinch years and years ago (with the 5.7l Chevy lump) and that was bloody good fun. I borrowed it for about a year (i refused to give it back) and that thing used to get so much attention. It was given a refresh with Recaros, big piston brakes, RR wheels and Bilstein suspension in around 2012 and it was a great on-road laugh and would embarrass many a hot-hatch that was caught off guard, and would regularly sail completely off the end of the speedo.
Had the option to buy it for a song about 5years ago but utterly stupidly deemed it a daft toy i'd never use and thus let it go. Silly silly boy.
Totally inappropriate for what the Defender was originally designed for but nonetheless great these things exist.
Had the option to buy it for a song about 5years ago but utterly stupidly deemed it a daft toy i'd never use and thus let it go. Silly silly boy.
Totally inappropriate for what the Defender was originally designed for but nonetheless great these things exist.
sgtBerbatov said:
AWD is not the same as 4WD.
AWD power is constant to all four wheels at the same time.
4WD power is moved back and forth when needed.
IIRC anyway.
It's far simpler than that, and you're thinking too narrowly.AWD power is constant to all four wheels at the same time.
4WD power is moved back and forth when needed.
IIRC anyway.
AWD means all wheels are driven. It says nothing about how many wheels that is. This is AWD, but not 4wd.
4wd means four wheels are driven. It says nothing about the total number of wheels. This is 4wd, but not AWD.
4x4 says that there are four wheels, of which four are driven. The first truck is 6x6, the second is 6x4.
Don't get confused with permanent or part-time systems, or about the centre diff and/or transfer box technology.
I am a huge, loony Land Rover fan but this just has me scratching my head.
It's a white 90 with leather, sawtooths, a NAS rear bumper, clear lights lenses and V8 and it's a hundred and fifty sodding grand. Who in their right mind would buy this? For that money you could have a mint Series 1, 2, 3, stage 1, V8 90 and a V8 110, V8 101 in your garage and STILL have change. I'm sure it's all silky smooth and lovely but what's the point, you might as well be trying to fit a folding tin roof to a Caterham 7.
It just doesn't look special enough to me...anyone could basically re-create over a weekend it for an absolute fraction of the price and it would probably be 85% as good, and better off road. I think if they'd done something really special...lacquered aluminium, brown leather, old school bonnet straps, soft top, special one off wheels, then great. But I just don't look at that and think "wow" at all.
It's a white 90 with leather, sawtooths, a NAS rear bumper, clear lights lenses and V8 and it's a hundred and fifty sodding grand. Who in their right mind would buy this? For that money you could have a mint Series 1, 2, 3, stage 1, V8 90 and a V8 110, V8 101 in your garage and STILL have change. I'm sure it's all silky smooth and lovely but what's the point, you might as well be trying to fit a folding tin roof to a Caterham 7.
It just doesn't look special enough to me...anyone could basically re-create over a weekend it for an absolute fraction of the price and it would probably be 85% as good, and better off road. I think if they'd done something really special...lacquered aluminium, brown leather, old school bonnet straps, soft top, special one off wheels, then great. But I just don't look at that and think "wow" at all.
Davey S2 said:
Not the view I would want for £150K.
If I did want to spend a shed load on a boxy 4x4 I'd go for the new G Wagon
Edited by Davey S2 on Wednesday 7th March 11:50
josh00mac said:
I have been quietly muttering for years that LR should have invested in it to make it their G-Wagen which has become huge for MB. I know it’s an old, restrictive design but where there’s a will there’s a way.
The thing is though the markets where the G-Wagen has been popular; the US and Middle East, I don't think Land Rover can really cut it - I'm not saying they aren't popular in those areas but the G has a MB badge and I think that counts for a lot to people.Also, MB (or Daimler) have huge amounts of money to throw to the G. They've steadily upgraded the dash to whatever modern MB look is at the time not to mention a long case of shoving whatever V8 they have lying around - hell even a V12!
Compare that to LR who want similar money for a G but has had the same layout and materials for donkeys years. In this instance, and especially for £150k, they could have raided Jags parts bin to furnish it. Put an F-Pace dash in or whatever.
PH said:
Better yet, the steering is re-engineered with zero slop at the straight-ahead
How have they done this? It still has a steering box i persume, and live axles with swivel housings. I've never driven a LR that has "zero slop" as it's pretty much impossible to do with that system!Max_Torque said:
PH said:
Better yet, the steering is re-engineered with zero slop at the straight-ahead
How have they done this? It still has a steering box i persume, and live axles with swivel housings. I've never driven a LR that has "zero slop" as it's pretty much impossible to do with that system!If they have done anything to tighten it up, then that'll be another step away from off-road capability, simply because you don't want the wheel being too lively on rough terrain.
Is the 106mph top speed really due to aerodynamics, or is it limited due to tyre choice or drivetrain limitations?
The latter of those three points was the reason the previous gen V6 Mustang was limited to motorway speeds only (110mph IIRC), the propshaft would detonate around 120mph.
I can't imagine those Salisbury axles are designed for whizzing round at 140 mph!!!
The latter of those three points was the reason the previous gen V6 Mustang was limited to motorway speeds only (110mph IIRC), the propshaft would detonate around 120mph.
I can't imagine those Salisbury axles are designed for whizzing round at 140 mph!!!
Here's how I see it. They built this car solely for investors, yet it's already priced sky high, way out of the reach of somebody using it, so obviously a pristine Heritage edition would be a better shout for investment, right? They not only have no reason to make this, but in a way they have no right to IMO. They killed off a cult car, they killed off THE Land Rover, everything else they make may be good off road, amazing in fact, but nobody is going to worship the Disco Sport, or the Velar. They should've done what Mercedes have been doing, keep it going with subtle upgrades. The G-Class is a niche car, I'd be surprised if it was even financially viable for them to be making it, but they still do. Land Rover have lost out on keeping their only cult car alive in the pursuit of making generic SUV's that overlap each other in the market place. Even though they said they'll make a new one, I really wish they wouldn't, they won't make a suitable replacement, they'll make a fashion item, maybe to overlap the Evoque. They shot themselves in the foot, now they should live with it. Wheels are pretty nice though.
There are 150 limited edition V8 defenders with 400hp for £150,000.
Sold to those where money is no object but having the last of an icon is.
The 5.6 dash to 60mph and pityfull 106mph top speed are as irrelevant as this car.
I'm sure you could have more fun creating your own ultimate defender for a fraction of the price!
Sold to those where money is no object but having the last of an icon is.
The 5.6 dash to 60mph and pityfull 106mph top speed are as irrelevant as this car.
I'm sure you could have more fun creating your own ultimate defender for a fraction of the price!
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