RE: Shed of the Week: Honda Accord Type R
Discussion
culpz said:
dannyDC2 said:
Top shedding, love ATRs. My pal had one on slightly higher mileage than this and it was still bloody fast. Used a fair bit of oil and stank of the stuff, but was a riot to drive.
Didn't your other mate in a very cheap Primera GT manage to keep up with him on track day though? I can't remember which one but it was a cracking video that, i must say!Primera GT vs Accord Type R (Budget Super Touring Battle!)
t up and bung it in something less rustyThese are great to thrash down a twisty B road or a track.
I had one the same age as this after my Integra Type R and in some ways it does feel like a big DC-2.
But you have to really work it hard to make it come alive, but when you, and the LSD starts to work, this car transforms itself from humble 4 door saloon in to a highly capable flying machine.
Sadly I found when driving around normally in day to day driving and especially motorway driving I didn't enjoy being in it, lacks a 6th gear, noisy and quite harsh to sit in (as a Type R should be) and horrible dash/nterior apart from nice seats and steering wheel, so the appeal is limited to having fun thrashing it or tracking it.
The ad says the bulkhead rot has been fixed, these are usually scrap once the bulkhead rot gets in, a friend of mine had to scrap his one recently after owning it for many years due to the rot, especially the bulkhead, even my welder (who can normally fix anything) could'nt save it, the car looked lovely from above. I would be checking out the rot first.
I had one the same age as this after my Integra Type R and in some ways it does feel like a big DC-2.
But you have to really work it hard to make it come alive, but when you, and the LSD starts to work, this car transforms itself from humble 4 door saloon in to a highly capable flying machine.
Sadly I found when driving around normally in day to day driving and especially motorway driving I didn't enjoy being in it, lacks a 6th gear, noisy and quite harsh to sit in (as a Type R should be) and horrible dash/nterior apart from nice seats and steering wheel, so the appeal is limited to having fun thrashing it or tracking it.
The ad says the bulkhead rot has been fixed, these are usually scrap once the bulkhead rot gets in, a friend of mine had to scrap his one recently after owning it for many years due to the rot, especially the bulkhead, even my welder (who can normally fix anything) could'nt save it, the car looked lovely from above. I would be checking out the rot first.
You know how you should always do your homework with a car, buy it based on the owner, service history and general clues all around the car? Oh and research? You know those people who don't do enough of that and end up regretting it? Well, this was the car I did all the above with.
DIG 6590 and the guy who owns it now has tried and failed to sell it twice for pretty much what I paid for it, which tells you a lot - if someone is coming out to see it, they'll have probably done far more research and know more about them than I did.
Looking at the MOT history on the one I got, there wasn't even an advisory for years. The mileage was okay and the bodywork looked fine. It was even in a heated garage, with a brand new set of genuine Type R mats (woohoo) and didn't have any crappy aftermarket bits bar a stainless cat-back system that wasn't overly loud. Of course, I brushed over the fact it was running on budgets, didn't have a stamp in the service book and pretty much zero other paperwork to go...ignorance is bliss. Oh and I broke my own rule of not getting a car with less than 6 months ticket on it.
So yeah, the inevitable happened and I'd bought a bucket of bolts. ABS light was the first thing to happen (which the current owner put in their add had been disabled, so rectifying all the issues of course), then the horn stopped working, then there were clunking noises, which turned out that some of the bushes had been literally taped up. Brake pipes and power steering pipes needed replaced, the bulkhead was indeed a goner, injector seals needed replacing and the crank pulley was...erm...iffy to say the least.
Almost sold it for parts until the guy came out with the flat-bed, looked at the code on the engine and saw some of the numbers had been crossed off and re-tapped, said it might just be a Prelude H22 and walked away.
Sold it for buttons and I hope no one ever buys it and expects much from it and to be honest, it pretty much put me off Type Rs for life though I occasionally hanker after an EP3.
I guess everyone has that one car that they just regretted buying pretty soon after driving away from the seller, this one will always be mine. Moral I learned was and should be an obvious one - with any car (especially one with a bit of performance), research it to death before you get it and go into a viewing with your eyes wide open knowing that you don't have to buy it.
And yes, I pretty much did live up to my username during this experience(!)
DIG 6590 and the guy who owns it now has tried and failed to sell it twice for pretty much what I paid for it, which tells you a lot - if someone is coming out to see it, they'll have probably done far more research and know more about them than I did.
Looking at the MOT history on the one I got, there wasn't even an advisory for years. The mileage was okay and the bodywork looked fine. It was even in a heated garage, with a brand new set of genuine Type R mats (woohoo) and didn't have any crappy aftermarket bits bar a stainless cat-back system that wasn't overly loud. Of course, I brushed over the fact it was running on budgets, didn't have a stamp in the service book and pretty much zero other paperwork to go...ignorance is bliss. Oh and I broke my own rule of not getting a car with less than 6 months ticket on it.
So yeah, the inevitable happened and I'd bought a bucket of bolts. ABS light was the first thing to happen (which the current owner put in their add had been disabled, so rectifying all the issues of course), then the horn stopped working, then there were clunking noises, which turned out that some of the bushes had been literally taped up. Brake pipes and power steering pipes needed replaced, the bulkhead was indeed a goner, injector seals needed replacing and the crank pulley was...erm...iffy to say the least.
Almost sold it for parts until the guy came out with the flat-bed, looked at the code on the engine and saw some of the numbers had been crossed off and re-tapped, said it might just be a Prelude H22 and walked away.
Sold it for buttons and I hope no one ever buys it and expects much from it and to be honest, it pretty much put me off Type Rs for life though I occasionally hanker after an EP3.
I guess everyone has that one car that they just regretted buying pretty soon after driving away from the seller, this one will always be mine. Moral I learned was and should be an obvious one - with any car (especially one with a bit of performance), research it to death before you get it and go into a viewing with your eyes wide open knowing that you don't have to buy it.
And yes, I pretty much did live up to my username during this experience(!)
muppet42 said:
You know how you should always do your homework with a car, buy it based on the owner, service history and general clues all around the car? Oh and research? You know those people who don't do enough of that and end up regretting it? Well, this was the car I did all the above with.
DIG 6590 and the guy who owns it now has tried and failed to sell it twice for pretty much what I paid for it, which tells you a lot - if someone is coming out to see it, they'll have probably done far more research and know more about them than I did.
Looking at the MOT history on the one I got, there wasn't even an advisory for years. The mileage was okay and the bodywork looked fine. It was even in a heated garage, with a brand new set of genuine Type R mats (woohoo) and didn't have any crappy aftermarket bits bar a stainless cat-back system that wasn't overly loud. Of course, I brushed over the fact it was running on budgets, didn't have a stamp in the service book and pretty much zero other paperwork to go...ignorance is bliss. Oh and I broke my own rule of not getting a car with less than 6 months ticket on it.
So yeah, the inevitable happened and I'd bought a bucket of bolts. ABS light was the first thing to happen (which the current owner put in their add had been disabled, so rectifying all the issues of course), then the horn stopped working, then there were clunking noises, which turned out that some of the bushes had been literally taped up. Brake pipes and power steering pipes needed replaced, the bulkhead was indeed a goner, injector seals needed replacing and the crank pulley was...erm...iffy to say the least.
Almost sold it for parts until the guy came out with the flat-bed, looked at the code on the engine and saw some of the numbers had been crossed off and re-tapped, said it might just be a Prelude H22 and walked away.
Sold it for buttons and I hope no one ever buys it and expects much from it and to be honest, it pretty much put me off Type Rs for life though I occasionally hanker after an EP3.
I guess everyone has that one car that they just regretted buying pretty soon after driving away from the seller, this one will always be mine. Moral I learned was and should be an obvious one - with any car (especially one with a bit of performance), research it to death before you get it and go into a viewing with your eyes wide open knowing that you don't have to buy it.
And yes, I pretty much did live up to my username during this experience(!)
I had a similar experience with an FN2 Type R! FSH, low mileage, lots of receipts, main dealer stamps, owner lived in a big fancy house, expensive tyres on the front (albeit the backs were five years old and the fronts were almost bald). Bought it, spent 600 quid on tyres, then it started becoming apparent it was a dog: smelled like dog, baffles were gone in the backbox and apparently the exhaust had been packed with foam to stop that being apparent, burned a litre of oil every 800 miles leaving me on the side of the M6, front wheel arch trim had been glued down and it unglued itself and shed a bunch of clearcoat when the snow appeared, became apparent the front bumper was not on straight, dampness in the boot, seized a caliper and destroyed front discs and pads, interior rattled like nothing else - cost me 500 quid to replace that on boxing day, and the mechanic said the rear discs and pads were cheap ebay specials ... don't think I'd buy one again. DIG 6590 and the guy who owns it now has tried and failed to sell it twice for pretty much what I paid for it, which tells you a lot - if someone is coming out to see it, they'll have probably done far more research and know more about them than I did.
Looking at the MOT history on the one I got, there wasn't even an advisory for years. The mileage was okay and the bodywork looked fine. It was even in a heated garage, with a brand new set of genuine Type R mats (woohoo) and didn't have any crappy aftermarket bits bar a stainless cat-back system that wasn't overly loud. Of course, I brushed over the fact it was running on budgets, didn't have a stamp in the service book and pretty much zero other paperwork to go...ignorance is bliss. Oh and I broke my own rule of not getting a car with less than 6 months ticket on it.
So yeah, the inevitable happened and I'd bought a bucket of bolts. ABS light was the first thing to happen (which the current owner put in their add had been disabled, so rectifying all the issues of course), then the horn stopped working, then there were clunking noises, which turned out that some of the bushes had been literally taped up. Brake pipes and power steering pipes needed replaced, the bulkhead was indeed a goner, injector seals needed replacing and the crank pulley was...erm...iffy to say the least.
Almost sold it for parts until the guy came out with the flat-bed, looked at the code on the engine and saw some of the numbers had been crossed off and re-tapped, said it might just be a Prelude H22 and walked away.
Sold it for buttons and I hope no one ever buys it and expects much from it and to be honest, it pretty much put me off Type Rs for life though I occasionally hanker after an EP3.
I guess everyone has that one car that they just regretted buying pretty soon after driving away from the seller, this one will always be mine. Moral I learned was and should be an obvious one - with any car (especially one with a bit of performance), research it to death before you get it and go into a viewing with your eyes wide open knowing that you don't have to buy it.
And yes, I pretty much did live up to my username during this experience(!)
EDIT: Didn't realise you meant this precise car!
Edited by Integroo on Friday 9th March 11:22
graham22 said:
If I remember, the biggest problem with these when new was the Impreza Turbo being the same price. Despite similar outright power, the Impreza was a better road car.
As a CRX Vtec owning, in 2000 as much as I liked the ATR, I replaced the CRX with, you guessed, an Impreza.
I made the opposite choice.As a CRX Vtec owning, in 2000 as much as I liked the ATR, I replaced the CRX with, you guessed, an Impreza.
I couldn't stretch to anything more than the standard Impreza, very hard ride, classic turbo shove.
The ATR's VTEC kicked in yo was just more fun. Rode better. Also just a little less "me too".
sinbaddio said:
Those Recaro seats are the absolute business!
Hugely comfy even for yearly 10-11hr 550mile Highland jaunts. Although they look hard and had limited adjustments they just fitted!Had the 5th gear synchro issue. Only noticed when skip shifting up from high revs. I double declutched, no issue.
This car?
Perhaps not, a little too worn out.
Willf852, Dig6590 and Muppet42, is the whole ownership of this car on PH ?
Who had it in what order, who did what and what does it need doing.
To be honest, it is perhaps a project, would be a shame to carve it up and stick it an Elise, as there are bloody loads of them still around, these are properly rare, saloon versions with powerful engines that fit in smaller stuff always end up going that way, BX 16 V, Pug 405 MI16 etc.
How bad can it actually be if the rust is sorted, would want to see some pics, as there is sorted, and there is "That will do for the MOT until next year, suggest you get another car in the meantime".
Needs an owner who can do stuff themselves, not someone nostalgic with unreasonable expectations that ancient, cheap performance cars ever work more than three days in a row
you will spend on parts which can get pricey, but if you add labour in as well it just doesnt add up running stuff like this.
Who had it in what order, who did what and what does it need doing.
To be honest, it is perhaps a project, would be a shame to carve it up and stick it an Elise, as there are bloody loads of them still around, these are properly rare, saloon versions with powerful engines that fit in smaller stuff always end up going that way, BX 16 V, Pug 405 MI16 etc.
How bad can it actually be if the rust is sorted, would want to see some pics, as there is sorted, and there is "That will do for the MOT until next year, suggest you get another car in the meantime".
Needs an owner who can do stuff themselves, not someone nostalgic with unreasonable expectations that ancient, cheap performance cars ever work more than three days in a row
you will spend on parts which can get pricey, but if you add labour in as well it just doesnt add up running stuff like this.J4CKO said:
Willf852, Dig6590 and Muppet42, is the whole ownership of this car on PH ?
Who had it in what order, who did what and what does it need doing.
To be honest, it is perhaps a project, would be a shame to carve it up and stick it an Elise, as there are bloody loads of them still around, these are properly rare, saloon versions with powerful engines that fit in smaller stuff always end up going that way, BX 16 V, Pug 405 MI16 etc.
How bad can it actually be if the rust is sorted, would want to see some pics, as there is sorted, and there is "That will do for the MOT until next year, suggest you get another car in the meantime".
Needs an owner who can do stuff themselves, not someone nostalgic with unreasonable expectations that ancient, cheap performance cars ever work more than three days in a row you will spend on parts which can get pricey, but if you add labour in as well it just doesnt add up running stuff like this.
Im the current owner of the honda, in terms of work done the bulkhead was repaired and front inner wings were done to get it road worthy again, in essence it is a project in terms of getting 100% but it was my daily driver which never let me down, only selling due to getting an audi tt from my new work place (which isnt half a fun!) Who had it in what order, who did what and what does it need doing.
To be honest, it is perhaps a project, would be a shame to carve it up and stick it an Elise, as there are bloody loads of them still around, these are properly rare, saloon versions with powerful engines that fit in smaller stuff always end up going that way, BX 16 V, Pug 405 MI16 etc.
How bad can it actually be if the rust is sorted, would want to see some pics, as there is sorted, and there is "That will do for the MOT until next year, suggest you get another car in the meantime".
Needs an owner who can do stuff themselves, not someone nostalgic with unreasonable expectations that ancient, cheap performance cars ever work more than three days in a row
you will spend on parts which can get pricey, but if you add labour in as well it just doesnt add up running stuff like this.J4CKO said:
Willf852, Dig6590 and Muppet42, is the whole ownership of this car on PH ?
Who had it in what order, who did what and what does it need doing.
To be honest, it is perhaps a project, would be a shame to carve it up and stick it an Elise, as there are bloody loads of them still around, these are properly rare, saloon versions with powerful engines that fit in smaller stuff always end up going that way, BX 16 V, Pug 405 MI16 etc.
How bad can it actually be if the rust is sorted, would want to see some pics, as there is sorted, and there is "That will do for the MOT until next year, suggest you get another car in the meantime".
Needs an owner who can do stuff themselves, not someone nostalgic with unreasonable expectations that ancient, cheap performance cars ever work more than three days in a row you will spend on parts which can get pricey, but if you add labour in as well it just doesnt add up running stuff like this.
It wasn't actually THIS car, though my dog of an ATR looked very similar right down to it being the same model year.Who had it in what order, who did what and what does it need doing.
To be honest, it is perhaps a project, would be a shame to carve it up and stick it an Elise, as there are bloody loads of them still around, these are properly rare, saloon versions with powerful engines that fit in smaller stuff always end up going that way, BX 16 V, Pug 405 MI16 etc.
How bad can it actually be if the rust is sorted, would want to see some pics, as there is sorted, and there is "That will do for the MOT until next year, suggest you get another car in the meantime".
Needs an owner who can do stuff themselves, not someone nostalgic with unreasonable expectations that ancient, cheap performance cars ever work more than three days in a row
you will spend on parts which can get pricey, but if you add labour in as well it just doesnt add up running stuff like this.Last ad that was up on Gumtree about a month ago, he was trying to get £1,650 for it, which was a total joke given how the ad described it and you could actually now see rust coming through on the NS rear arch (which hadn't been there when I had it).
I plead total ignorance for what happened with mine and have since learned from it. Took me 3 months to find my next car(!) Just saying that now these have entered performance bargain territory, you need to have your wits about you even more even if that initial investment isn't anywhere near as much as it was a few years back.
Willf852 said:
J4CKO said:
Willf852, Dig6590 and Muppet42, is the whole ownership of this car on PH ?
Who had it in what order, who did what and what does it need doing.
To be honest, it is perhaps a project, would be a shame to carve it up and stick it an Elise, as there are bloody loads of them still around, these are properly rare, saloon versions with powerful engines that fit in smaller stuff always end up going that way, BX 16 V, Pug 405 MI16 etc.
How bad can it actually be if the rust is sorted, would want to see some pics, as there is sorted, and there is "That will do for the MOT until next year, suggest you get another car in the meantime".
Needs an owner who can do stuff themselves, not someone nostalgic with unreasonable expectations that ancient, cheap performance cars ever work more than three days in a row you will spend on parts which can get pricey, but if you add labour in as well it just doesnt add up running stuff like this.
Im the current owner of the honda, in terms of work done the bulkhead was repaired and front inner wings were done to get it road worthy again, in essence it is a project in terms of getting 100% but it was my daily driver which never let me down, only selling due to getting an audi tt from my new work place (which isnt half a fun!) Who had it in what order, who did what and what does it need doing.
To be honest, it is perhaps a project, would be a shame to carve it up and stick it an Elise, as there are bloody loads of them still around, these are properly rare, saloon versions with powerful engines that fit in smaller stuff always end up going that way, BX 16 V, Pug 405 MI16 etc.
How bad can it actually be if the rust is sorted, would want to see some pics, as there is sorted, and there is "That will do for the MOT until next year, suggest you get another car in the meantime".
Needs an owner who can do stuff themselves, not someone nostalgic with unreasonable expectations that ancient, cheap performance cars ever work more than three days in a row
you will spend on parts which can get pricey, but if you add labour in as well it just doesnt add up running stuff like this.I have the worst of both worlds, an old TT, not rotten, body seems great but it is really just like a Panini Sticker book, i.e.a framework for hanging new parts on instead of little stickers.
This car seems to be an ongoing project, if the rot has been sorted well and you go in eyes open expecting more expense and work then that is more realistic than getting a totally sorted, non rusty one for £1500, which wont happen.
J4CKO said:
Hmm, not sure about that, ancient rotten Honda vs new (I assume) TT ?
I have the worst of both worlds, an old TT, not rotten, body seems great but it is really just like a Panini Sticker book, i.e.a framework for hanging new parts on instead of little stickers.
This car seems to be an ongoing project, if the rot has been sorted well and you go in eyes open expecting more expense and work then that is more realistic than getting a totally sorted, non rusty one for £1500, which wont happen.
Correct, new TT and with the lack of accord type r's on sale its hard to gauge a price but always willing to offers, but by all means it is something of a project if you wanted it to be completely cleanI have the worst of both worlds, an old TT, not rotten, body seems great but it is really just like a Panini Sticker book, i.e.a framework for hanging new parts on instead of little stickers.
This car seems to be an ongoing project, if the rot has been sorted well and you go in eyes open expecting more expense and work then that is more realistic than getting a totally sorted, non rusty one for £1500, which wont happen.
dannyDC2 said:
culpz said:
dannyDC2 said:
Top shedding, love ATRs. My pal had one on slightly higher mileage than this and it was still bloody fast. Used a fair bit of oil and stank of the stuff, but was a riot to drive.
Didn't your other mate in a very cheap Primera GT manage to keep up with him on track day though? I can't remember which one but it was a cracking video that, i must say!Primera GT vs Accord Type R (Budget Super Touring Battle!)
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