RE: Shed of the Week: Honda Accord Type R
Discussion
Jual Mass Flywheel said:
havoc said:
marcosgt said:
I test drove one when I bought my Skoda Octavia vRS.
It was nicely made and felt great to drive, but I recall it was something like 8 grand more than the Skoda at the time and it wasn't that much better!
M
You're funny...keep 'em coming!It was nicely made and felt great to drive, but I recall it was something like 8 grand more than the Skoda at the time and it wasn't that much better!
M
And these two were only ever £8k apart 'new', at which point you're comparing the (2001-release) Skoda against the (1998-release) Accord. The Skoda had >30bhp less (from the characterless-but-effective 1.8T), weighed >50kg more, didn't have any sort of LSD and worst of all was based on the Mk4 Golf floorpan, inc torsion bar rear and naff steering, vs the ATRs all-round double wishbones and very highly regarded steering.
The only things the Skoda had going for it in comparison were torque and that it was a sleeper.
If the question is "was the Accord worth £8k more?", then that's a different view. But to say the Accord wasn't much better says a lot about Marcos' ability to judge a car...
havoc said:
Jual Mass Flywheel said:
havoc said:
marcosgt said:
I test drove one when I bought my Skoda Octavia vRS.
It was nicely made and felt great to drive, but I recall it was something like 8 grand more than the Skoda at the time and it wasn't that much better!
M
You're funny...keep 'em coming!It was nicely made and felt great to drive, but I recall it was something like 8 grand more than the Skoda at the time and it wasn't that much better!
M
And these two were only ever £8k apart 'new', at which point you're comparing the (2001-release) Skoda against the (1998-release) Accord. The Skoda had >30bhp less (from the characterless-but-effective 1.8T), weighed >50kg more, didn't have any sort of LSD and worst of all was based on the Mk4 Golf floorpan, inc torsion bar rear and naff steering, vs the ATRs all-round double wishbones and very highly regarded steering.
The only things the Skoda had going for it in comparison were torque and that it was a sleeper.
If the question is "was the Accord worth £8k more?", then that's a different view. But to say the Accord wasn't much better says a lot about Marcos' ability to judge a car...
Nors said:
Test drove one of these many moons ago. I did like the car but I remember at the time thinking it was too hard to drive on 'normal' roads due to the nature of the engine and gearbox.
To get the best out of it you had to rev it (vtec -no surprise there) but change up gear at 8450 rpm instead of 8500rpm at it would momentarily drop out of the power band which could be quite scary when overtaking a lorry on an A road. Found myself watching the rev counter too much as I wasn't able to do it by listening to the engine note, being unfamiliar with the car.
The Accord Type R only revs to 7400 RPM. Perhaps you confused the Accord with the similarly shaped 5 door Civic VTi (based on a Rover 400) that had a 1.8litre B-Series engine that revs to around 8500 and has a horrible set of gear ratios..To get the best out of it you had to rev it (vtec -no surprise there) but change up gear at 8450 rpm instead of 8500rpm at it would momentarily drop out of the power band which could be quite scary when overtaking a lorry on an A road. Found myself watching the rev counter too much as I wasn't able to do it by listening to the engine note, being unfamiliar with the car.
Mr2Mike said:
The Accord Type R only revs to 7400 RPM. Perhaps you confused the Accord with the similarly shaped 5 door Civic VTi (based on a Rover 400) that had a 1.8litre B-Series engine that revs to around 8500 and has a horrible set of gear ratios..
Both the Civic and 400/45/ZS were based on the Domani. Yes the S9B gearbox in the MB6/MC2 was awful but easily remedied with the S80 out of a DC2. The ATR is a car that I always wanted especially in facelift trim but circumstances namely insurance never allowed it at the time, now all the good ones are few and far between.
havoc said:
Jual Mass Flywheel said:
havoc said:
marcosgt said:
I test drove one when I bought my Skoda Octavia vRS.
It was nicely made and felt great to drive, but I recall it was something like 8 grand more than the Skoda at the time and it wasn't that much better!
M
You're funny...keep 'em coming!It was nicely made and felt great to drive, but I recall it was something like 8 grand more than the Skoda at the time and it wasn't that much better!
M
And these two were only ever £8k apart 'new', at which point you're comparing the (2001-release) Skoda against the (1998-release) Accord. The Skoda had >30bhp less (from the characterless-but-effective 1.8T), weighed >50kg more, didn't have any sort of LSD and worst of all was based on the Mk4 Golf floorpan, inc torsion bar rear and naff steering, vs the ATRs all-round double wishbones and very highly regarded steering.
The only things the Skoda had going for it in comparison were torque and that it was a sleeper.
If the question is "was the Accord worth £8k more?", then that's a different view. But to say the Accord wasn't much better says a lot about Marcos' ability to judge a car...
Mr2Mike said:
Nors said:
Test drove one of these many moons ago. I did like the car but I remember at the time thinking it was too hard to drive on 'normal' roads due to the nature of the engine and gearbox.
To get the best out of it you had to rev it (vtec -no surprise there) but change up gear at 8450 rpm instead of 8500rpm at it would momentarily drop out of the power band which could be quite scary when overtaking a lorry on an A road. Found myself watching the rev counter too much as I wasn't able to do it by listening to the engine note, being unfamiliar with the car.
The Accord Type R only revs to 7400 RPM. Perhaps you confused the Accord with the similarly shaped 5 door Civic VTi (based on a Rover 400) that had a 1.8litre B-Series engine that revs to around 8500 and has a horrible set of gear ratios..To get the best out of it you had to rev it (vtec -no surprise there) but change up gear at 8450 rpm instead of 8500rpm at it would momentarily drop out of the power band which could be quite scary when overtaking a lorry on an A road. Found myself watching the rev counter too much as I wasn't able to do it by listening to the engine note, being unfamiliar with the car.
It's possible to keep them in vtec when changing gear. You have to kiss the limiter and be slick with your changes. 1st 2nd and 3rd are the worst, with 4th and 5th getting easier.
NateWM said:
The ATR doesn't hit the limiter till past 8k in standard form so not sure where you got 7400 from?
It's possible to keep them in vtec when changing gear. You have to kiss the limiter and be slick with your changes. 1st 2nd and 3rd are the worst, with 4th and 5th getting easier.
Reading failure on my behalf It's possible to keep them in vtec when changing gear. You have to kiss the limiter and be slick with your changes. 1st 2nd and 3rd are the worst, with 4th and 5th getting easier.
I was almost certain it was under 8k since it's a fairly long stroke engine compared to the B16/18, so checked but didn't read very carefully as it's actually 7900 rather than 7400. However the the point still stands, it won't get to 8450 unless you hit the limiter and change down a gear...Trowbridge (Wiltshire) Police had one, i remember being tail gated by it in my then Nova 1.3sr back from the mcdonalds carpark - i think he was trying to goad me into driving like a twonk .. Cool cars but, i dunno i cant be arsed ragging an engine to get the power from it, give me some torque please !
aka_kerrly said:
irf said:
Ive seen quite a few ATRs on track there at various Honda days I've done (in a black supercharged ep3 or red standard ep3) There is also a chap with a red one that is fully stripped which is always going well!!
- found a pic, this one
Test drove one of these at the time when Scoobies and Evos were coming into fashion. Lack of torque and 4wd ability meant for me it was always a poor Japanese cousin as the price point was very similar.
Overall howver as a stand alone model, nice cars with great seats and a certain exclusiveness to it. I wonder why Honda didnt roll out the Euro Type R here?
Overall howver as a stand alone model, nice cars with great seats and a certain exclusiveness to it. I wonder why Honda didnt roll out the Euro Type R here?
Many cars would do well to be as savagely shrill sounding in a tunnel as the ATR's H22 with the airbox deleted. A Subaru STi may have a louder burble, an e46 M3 more rasp, but possibly only a straight piped R32 could have bettered it today for tunnel drama this side of a 458. I acknowledge other great sounding cars, but the accord type R is certainly one of the best sounding per £.
havoc said:
Or just fit a VTEC controller and lower the cut-over point by a few hundred rpm.
If I remember correctly from my days of racing, people using these motors (in Elises in the series that I competed in), were binning all the VTEC gubbins as it added unecessary weight to the engine, and of course variable valve timing wasn't needed in a race car. Does that sound about right?Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff