RE: McLaren BP23 to 'exceed' 243mph
Discussion
Murphy16 said:
Yawn. Call me pessimistic but it's hard to get excited by a car I'll never own, a car that has already sold out, a car faster than our roads can accommodate. A car that will probably sit in a climate controlled bubble in the middle east, appearing only for instagram shots with a lion cub draped over it. Maybe some of the tech will trickle down into some second hand sports car in the future that i might own, but it's hard to get excited about that.
This ^^Just not interested at all.
Murphy16 said:
Yawn. Call me pessimistic but it's hard to get excited by a car I'll never own, a car that has already sold out, a car faster than our roads can accommodate. A car that will probably sit in a climate controlled bubble in the middle east, appearing only for instagram shots with a lion cub draped over it. Maybe some of the tech will trickle down into some second hand sports car in the future that i might own, but it's hard to get excited about that.
This ^^Just not interested at all.
humblesabot said:
Andy Palmer?
Isn't he the CEO of Aston Martin?
Is there a typo at work, or is there a coincidence?
Coincidence.Isn't he the CEO of Aston Martin?
Is there a typo at work, or is there a coincidence?
anonymous said:
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I'm sure they could produce a lightweight £50k car and no doubt it would be an absolute belter but the profit margins on such a car compared to what they are achieving now on their portfolio of cars means it will never get produced.
We could have a sub 1000kg 400+hp Exige S for 60-70k. Carbon tub Elise... RobM77 said:
It was after the release, yes. The initial design brief for the car was very different to that and focused on it being the ultimate driver's car for daily use: mid mounted longitudinal n/a V12, <1000kg weight, no assisted controls or driver aids, a compliant chassis setup for the public road, and good luggage space. BMW were asked to provide around 450bhp; the fact that their new engine for the car produced 627bhp was actually a pleasant surprise and not intentional at all, at least not from GM's team. What I find sad is how many manufacturers, including McLaren, have not made cars to this spec again and focus on speed instead. Of course the latest range are very usable, but they don't follow that original purist brief, which is what I think is a shame.
Does anyone know why and how BMW developed the engine 40% above spec ? I guess the E36 Eco produced 321bhp I6 3.2ltr so a v12 version of that was always going to be way over the required output. Macboy said:
I am so much more interested in this project than the Senna and the huge level of debate that it has created about its purpose, especially given an even more track focussed version in the GTR. This has a purpose - to be used as a road car in the same way, like it or not, as the Veyron and Chiron. They are fast and ultra-luxurious but can be driven every day and in a variety of places including touring (although lack of luggage space makes this challenging). I hope it has some of the classic elegance of the F1 and they can better resolve the headlights which don't ever appear well executed to my eye.
I think most of us are more interested in this, it is just that the Senna is more public right now and minimal public on the BP23.This is the successor of the F1 and iirc has the 3 seat, driver in middle format too.
The f1 was a masterpiece of design, an elegant and well engineered car designed by one of the industries true talents
This car for me has none of those things, sure it might have a super high tech hybrid drive system and dynamic aero but i do not think it has much of a soul
May be getting old. Maybe the car is getting old. But it all feels less interesting now.
This car for me has none of those things, sure it might have a super high tech hybrid drive system and dynamic aero but i do not think it has much of a soul
May be getting old. Maybe the car is getting old. But it all feels less interesting now.
Welshbeef said:
RobM77 said:
It was after the release, yes. The initial design brief for the car was very different to that and focused on it being the ultimate driver's car for daily use: mid mounted longitudinal n/a V12, <1000kg weight, no assisted controls or driver aids, a compliant chassis setup for the public road, and good luggage space. BMW were asked to provide around 450bhp; the fact that their new engine for the car produced 627bhp was actually a pleasant surprise and not intentional at all, at least not from GM's team. What I find sad is how many manufacturers, including McLaren, have not made cars to this spec again and focus on speed instead. Of course the latest range are very usable, but they don't follow that original purist brief, which is what I think is a shame.
Does anyone know why and how BMW developed the engine 40% above spec ? I guess the E36 Eco produced 321bhp I6 3.2ltr so a v12 version of that was always going to be way over the required output. 
t back then. So they did enough, which just happened to be very, very nice indeed.I wonder what Honda would have offered if they hadn't said no - 450 on the dot from something rather smaller, or same and some?
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It also weighed more than the spec they were given. So it wasn't some kind of magical something from nothing deal. They obviously took the spec very loosely and instead concentrated on just making the best road performance N/A V12 they could. A bit cheeky i've always thought, but then I've never heard of anyone who has ever driven an F1 of criticising the engine so i guess it turned out ok! Don Colione said:
...telling us that a car that is not even fully designed or built yet, is already sold out...
Whilst I agree chasing speeds over 200 is pretty pathetic (Rosemeyer crashed his Auto Union at 270mph on an autobahn 80years ago!) it was indeed sold out ages ago. Friend of mine had an f1 and f1gtr and was denied a BP23! Sadly I think McLaren are more interested in sucking up to the trust fund brats and Instagram clowns these days...Now I have confess some things here:
1. I was never into the F1. I thought it looked to my younger self, esp against the 220 and the King For All Time F40.
2. I don’t get the current hate on the Macca road cars. What have they done wrong?
3. I don’t get the - why have they made an Unobtanium? The vast vast majority of the top 1% of motorcars ever made have been unobtanium for normal folk. This is nothing new.
4. Ppl forget the F1 was a difficult bugger to sell and Macca just about got away without getting their fingers burned off. The company can’t afford another fk up. Even more so considering the current status of their main PR arm...
5. I don’t get the - won’t they give us a 50k, 4sec
To 60 crowd. That market segment is currently covered by more dynamically brilliant vehicles than ever before!
So I’m obviously missing something.
1. I was never into the F1. I thought it looked to my younger self, esp against the 220 and the King For All Time F40.
2. I don’t get the current hate on the Macca road cars. What have they done wrong?
3. I don’t get the - why have they made an Unobtanium? The vast vast majority of the top 1% of motorcars ever made have been unobtanium for normal folk. This is nothing new.
4. Ppl forget the F1 was a difficult bugger to sell and Macca just about got away without getting their fingers burned off. The company can’t afford another f
k up. Even more so considering the current status of their main PR arm...5. I don’t get the - won’t they give us a 50k, 4sec
To 60 crowd. That market segment is currently covered by more dynamically brilliant vehicles than ever before!
So I’m obviously missing something.
Mike 007 said:
So if McLaren seem to be so good at developing powerful, fast, hybrid engines, then why rely on third party underperforming engines that they can't seem to gell with their own mechanicals in the F1 car?
Surely develop your own and reap the benefits.
The McLaren road car engine development program for the last 25-30 years:Surely develop your own and reap the benefits.
McLaren: Hello is that BMW/Mercedes/Ricardo?
BMW/Mercedes/Ricardo: Yes it is. How may we be of assistance?
McLaren: We're building a car and we need an engine.
BMW/Mercedes/Ricardo: OK, please send us a brief description of what you want and we will design and build it for you.
McLaren: Will do. Bye
BMW/Mercedes/Ricardo: Bye
DeejRC said:
Now I have confess some things here:
1. I was never into the F1. I thought it looked to my younger self, esp against the 220 and the King For All Time F40.
2. I don’t get the current hate on the Macca road cars. What have they done wrong?
3. I don’t get the - why have they made an Unobtanium? The vast vast majority of the top 1% of motorcars ever made have been unobtanium for normal folk. This is nothing new.
4. Ppl forget the F1 was a difficult bugger to sell and Macca just about got away without getting their fingers burned off. The company can’t afford another fk up. Even more so considering the current status of their main PR arm...
5. I don’t get the - won’t they give us a 50k, 4sec
To 60 crowd. That market segment is currently covered by more dynamically brilliant vehicles than ever before!
So I’m obviously missing something.
Sadly you are.1. I was never into the F1. I thought it looked to my younger self, esp against the 220 and the King For All Time F40.
2. I don’t get the current hate on the Macca road cars. What have they done wrong?
3. I don’t get the - why have they made an Unobtanium? The vast vast majority of the top 1% of motorcars ever made have been unobtanium for normal folk. This is nothing new.
4. Ppl forget the F1 was a difficult bugger to sell and Macca just about got away without getting their fingers burned off. The company can’t afford another f
k up. Even more so considering the current status of their main PR arm...5. I don’t get the - won’t they give us a 50k, 4sec
To 60 crowd. That market segment is currently covered by more dynamically brilliant vehicles than ever before!
So I’m obviously missing something.
The small mind and lack of clinical reasoning which allows so many wonderful posters to flourish in General Gassing
fblm said:
Don Colione said:
...telling us that a car that is not even fully designed or built yet, is already sold out...
Whilst I agree chasing speeds over 200 is pretty pathetic (Rosemeyer crashed his Auto Union at 270mph on an autobahn 80years ago!) it was indeed sold out ages ago. Friend of mine had an f1 and f1gtr and was denied a BP23! Sadly I think McLaren are more interested in sucking up to the trust fund brats and Instagram clowns these days...Mind you, i’m not sure any new car could eclipse owning two F1’s.
I agree that chasing huge top speeds is a redundant goal (that Rosemeyer stat is just bonkers) but maybe that’s what these companies feel compelled to do to capture peoples attention.
It might well lead to engineering breakthroughs for future cars but for owners of these multi-million pound creations it’s irrelevant.
MitchT said:
Irrelevant numbers. Someone please make a car that sounds wonderful and is challenging and involving to drive at speeds that won't result in an instant loss of licence. I'd take a ropey old Testarossa over this any day.
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