RE: New Fiesta ST gets LSD

[rb26]

I don't think I'll be replacing the MK7 ST anytime soon. The only attractive feature in the MK8 is the quaife LSD, but I could always have one installed on my car. I am interested to give it a drive though, so might pop by my local ford dealer for a test drive. If nothing else I'll be able to get a rough idea as to whether or not the LSD is worth the money.

[Rawwr]

blade7 said:

Less capacity and cylinders, I won't be buying this one.

But more power and torque, combined with sounding great.

Some people are just plain weird.

[culpz]

I saw on a CarThrottle article that launch control is available on this new model too. However, like the LSD, it's an optional extra.

[rb26]

Rawwr said:

But more power and torque, combined with sounding great.

Some people are just plain weird.

Not compared to the MP215, or how the car was meant to be from the factory. I'm also unsure how the 3 cylinder will cope with higher performance modifications, comparatively to the MK7 ST.

[Rawwr]

rb26 said:

Not compared to the MP215, or how the car was meant to be from the factory. I'm also unsure how the 3 cylinder will cope with higher performance modifications, comparatively to the MK7 ST.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Yes, the standard Mk8 ST is not as powerful as the modified Mk7 ST or as powerful as the car they didn't build.

Apologies, I've should've factored spastication into my thought process. Jesus wept, where do we keep digging up these retards?

[blade7]

Nanook said:

blade7 said:

J4CKO said:

Reckon it is going to be a huge seller, like the last one.

Less capacity and cylinders, I won't be buying this one.

More power, more torque, and it's quicker though.

Did you buy the last one?

Yes, and the one before that. I'll be surprised if the marginal gains in torque aren't a result of more boost.

Edited by blade7 on Sunday 18th March 16:33

[HJMS123]

Jim the Sunderer said:

Should be good if they make it a little better on the motorway.

I'm still bouncing 4 days after driving mine.

I'm late to the party but I bet you've had a few post quotes saying the ride is 'fine' or 'what do you expect from a hot hatch'

I loved mine but having gone to a HH with a much softer set up I think I'd struggle to go back to one that firm/focused now.

[blade7]

Nanook said:

blade7 said:

Yes, and the one before that. I'll be surprised if the marginal gains in power and torque aren't a result of more boost.

They may well be. You want to make more power with less displacement, and no more revs, that's certainly one way to go about it.

When you bought the last one though, it had a smaller engine that the one that came before it too.

It had a turbo,a 6 speed gearbox and a LOT more power.

[DoubleD]

What is it that you dislike about the new engine blade?

[culpz]

Rawwr said:

But more power and torque, combined with sounding great.

Some people are just plain weird.

Fair one for the power and torque but the sound is subjective. Not everyone likes the 3-cylinder soundtrack.

I'd like to hear one for myself by hopefully getting a test drive and comparing to the MK7. The mini-Porsche sound comments that i hear so often on here sound appealing if indeed true.

[Rawwr]

culpz said:

Fair one for the power and torque but the sound is subjective. Not everyone likes the 3-cylinder soundtrack.

There's not a universe where an inline-4 sounds better than a triple

[culpz]

Rawwr said:

culpz said:

Fair one for the power and torque but the sound is subjective. Not everyone likes the 3-cylinder soundtrack.

There's not a universe where an inline-4 sounds better than a triple

Not having driven one, i cannot say. I did like the sound of the MK7 though from the inside, even with the noise pumped into the cabin.

I'll see what i think when the MK8 is officially released

[Podie]

I'm looking forward to trying one... and curious to see what comes out from Mountune.

[blade7]

DoubleD said:

What is it that you dislike about the new engine blade?

The reason it's here is to cut emissions and production costs,and I'm guessing it has less valve area. I preferred the 5 cylinder engine in the previous Focus ST and RS too.

[blade7]

Nanook said:

And this one has a turbo, a 6spd box, and more power again.

I'm not trying to change your mind, or tell you you're wrong, I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from.

It would have been tough for Ford to market if it didn't have a bit more power. Mountune didn't do anything special with the 215 bhp uprate, the old engine probably made that pre production.

[culpz]

blade7 said:

The reason it's here is to cut emissions and production costs,and I'm guessing it has less valve area. I preferred the 5 cylinder engine in the previous Focus ST and RS too.

The issue is, pretty much every new version of a car will strive to go in the same direction. The car itself, as an object, has to be seen to be making economical progress, as well as other things. I don't believe that has to instantly translate to them becoming bland, boring and not much fun to drive.

I think Ford are trying hard to give us the best of both worlds here. In world that is inevitably gravitating towards becoming powered by electricity, this really isn't a bad way to keep everyone happy in the mean time.

Edited by culpz on Wednesday 14th March 16:31

[Podie]

blade7 said:

It would have been tough for Ford to market if it didn't have a bit more power. Mountune didn't do anything special with the 215 bhp uprate, the old engine probably made that pre production.

The 215 upgrade is fully warranty friendly. This means it has to go through Ford's testing. It's a neat way to offer a bit more poke and maintain warranty for those who want it.

If you want more, then there is the MR230 or MR265 option,

[DoubleD]

blade7 said:

DoubleD said:

What is it that you dislike about the new engine blade?

The reason it's here is to cut emissions and production costs,and I'm guessing it has less valve area. I preferred the 5 cylinder engine in the previous Focus ST and RS too.

I get that. But what is it that you dislike about the engine?

[LuS1fer]

Nanook said:

blade7 said:

It had a turbo,a 6 speed gearbox and a LOT more power.

And this one has a turbo, a 6spd box, and more power again.

I'm not trying to change your mind, or tell you you're wrong, I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from.

I'm not going to buy one, they're not my type of car at all, but I did enjoy having the odd go in my mates Mk7, I don't see why the new one won't be at least as good, given everything we know about it so far.

I'm just disliking the looks and, in this class, looks are important. I was behind a new Fiesta, this evening and it took a while to clock it wasn't a Hyundai. I would rather buy a lightly used, last gen Civic Type R personally and I'm a conservative 58 year old.

Don't fret, I'm not comparing new to used prices, just saying that whereas the last ST would have got my money, new, this one wouldn't.

[LuS1fer]

Nanook said:

Fair enough, looks are important to some people.

Did it take a while to realise it wasn't a Hyundai, because you'd never seen one before though? It's fairly unmistakably Ford visual design.

I was really just asking the guy I'd quoted what his issue with the engine was. We never did find out though.

Indeed. The first time I drove a Fiat Twin Air, I thought it was a diesel but enjoyed it once I "got it".

I have to say that my 4 cylinder ST sounds great and I reserve judgement on the new one but have had tri-cylinder cars like the Suzuki Celerio and Vauxhalls which have been nothing to write home about. An Adam I drove was so quiet, I didn't even realise the engine was on.

I have seen new Fiestas before and initially liked the headlight LEDs but have since gone off them. I think Ford want to be a bit more VW. I just think this looks like a C-Max bland box from behind.
I find the revised Corsa horizontal lights equally unappealing. I much prefer this:

to this slabby mess