RE: Velar SVR prototype spied testing

[Granfondo]

Ares said:

I'm only asking for a single (outlandish) claim to be backed up. Not asking for evidence when challenged.

What statements have I made? My figures came from both Car Sales Base and the FT.


Your link/download shows 12mths ending Jan '18 Range Rover sales as 42,660? And down by 37%?


You may think my approach is dogmatic. There is only one claim I don't believe, and that is that Jaguar LandRover, as a business, see Bentley as a competitor. A business who have just a small element of just one model that overlaps with one model from Bentley, and whose average sales price is a third of Bentley's, it doesn't make sense. That's the common sense bit. It's also at odds with any conversation I've had with JLR (Including before JLR was JLR, (and with any Bentley employees, dating back to when it was RRBMC). It's further emphasised by the other comments on here.

But show me a presentation, or a quote where Jaguar LandRover (not just SVO) see the JLR business as a Bentley competitor, and I will willingly write you full and formal apology ;-)

....and I'll join in with bhing that JLR's quality is crap compared to their targeted competitor, Bentley. (which is where the whole debate started).

Gerry McGovern (Landrover chief designer) in Autocar 14/3/18 page 13.

Edited by Granfondo on Wednesday 21st March 11:25

[Ares]

Pintofbest said:

Ares said:

Your link/download shows 12mths ending Jan '18 Range Rover sales as 42,660? And down by 37%?

It shows 57,493 (+3%) for calendar year 2017, not bad for a car launched so long ago. Go and look again, your comprehension seems to be an issue with this.

Year to Jan 18, as per Retail Announcement:

[Pintofbest]

Fiscal year not full year, it has 2 months left one of which is March which is very heavy.

[Ares]

Pintofbest said:

Fiscal year not full year, it has 2 months left one of which is March which is very heavy.

I stand corrected <doffs cap>

[Pintofbest]

Ares said:

I stand corrected <doffs cap>

[Granfondo]

So is JLR a competitor to Bentley?

[TooMany2cvs]

Granfondo said:

So is JLR a competitor to Bentley?

Yes and no. Probably. In parts.

[Granfondo]

TooMany2cvs said:

Granfondo said:

So is JLR a competitor to Bentley?

Yes and no. Probably. In parts.

Thanks for clearing that up!

[Ares]

TooMany2cvs said:

Granfondo said:

So is JLR a competitor to Bentley?

Yes and no. Probably. In parts.

If people are slagging all JLR models off for not being the same quality as Bentley, I'm fairly sure JLR's response would be "Bent..who?"

[loudlashadjuster]

Granfondo said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Granfondo said:

So is JLR a competitor to Bentley?

Yes and no. Probably. In parts.

Thanks for clearing that up!

Wish we'd reached this point four pages ago

[Granfondo]

loudlashadjuster said:

Granfondo said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Granfondo said:

So is JLR a competitor to Bentley?

Yes and no. Probably. In parts.

Thanks for clearing that up!

Wish we'd reached this point four pages ago

We had but someone knows people at board level that don't think their £250k cars are competing with Bentley!

[Ares]

Granfondo said:

loudlashadjuster said:

Granfondo said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Granfondo said:

So is JLR a competitor to Bentley?

Yes and no. Probably. In parts.

Thanks for clearing that up!

Wish we'd reached this point four pages ago

We had but someone knows people at board level that don't think their £250k cars are competing with Bentley!

No we didn't. We just had an argumentative arse that kept spinning the question...

[Granfondo]

Ares said:

Granfondo said:

loudlashadjuster said:

Granfondo said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Granfondo said:

So is JLR a competitor to Bentley?

Yes and no. Probably. In parts.

Thanks for clearing that up!

Wish we'd reached this point four pages ago

We had but someone knows people at board level that don't think their £250k cars are competing with Bentley!

No we didn't. We just had an argumentative arse that kept spinning the question...

Yes you!
Why don't you respond to the answer to your question about wanting written evidence which I gave a few posts up?

[Ares]

Granfondo said:

Yes you!
Why don't you respond to the answer to your question about wanting written evidence which I gave a few posts up?

<facepalm>

1 - for the 1000th time, the claim was that JLR saw themselves as a Bentley competitor, and should have their brand quality compared with it (and not that a halo model would compete with a Bentley)
2 - no-one manufacturer list the cars they DON'T compete with

[Granfondo]

Ares said:

Granfondo said:

Yes you!
Why don't you respond to the answer to your question about wanting written evidence which I gave a few posts up?

<facepalm>

1 - for the 1000th time, the claim was that JLR saw themselves as a Bentley competitor, and should have their brand quality compared with it (and not that a halo model would compete with a Bentley)
2 - no-one manufacturer list the cars they DON'T compete with

More reverse gears than an Italian tank.

[Ares]

Granfondo said:

Ares said:

Granfondo said:

Yes you!
Why don't you respond to the answer to your question about wanting written evidence which I gave a few posts up?

<facepalm>

1 - for the 1000th time, the claim was that JLR saw themselves as a Bentley competitor, and should have their brand quality compared with it (and not that a halo model would compete with a Bentley)
2 - no-one manufacturer list the cars they DON'T compete with

More reverse gears than an Italian tank.

You? My posts have need tediously consistent. Almost as tedious as your inability to address the point (or disingenuously avoid it)

[Hungrymc]

Do we have to repeat the same argument on the RR Sport SVR thread ?

It’s almost been a refreshing twist on the traditional JLR quality pissing contest....But not quite.

[Ares]

Hungrymc said:

Do we have to repeat the same argument on the RR Sport SVR thread ?

It’s almost been a refreshing twist on the traditional JLR quality pissing contest....But not quite.

JLR's build quality isn't the best, but it does need comparing with BMW/Audi/Merc/et al, not Bentley.

[Granfondo]

Ares said:

The extreme, top variant of the top model overlaps in price with the bottom of Bentley's range.

No-one...and I mean no-one, looks at Jaguar LandRover and sees them as a brand competitor to Bentley,

[jhonn]

Ares said:

No we didn't. We just had an argumentative ares that kept spinning the question...

Sorry... couldn't resist that little twist.