RE: Velar SVR prototype spied testing
Discussion
Jim AK said:
Ares said:
But I think all new models have teething problems. 
But they`ve had `Teething problems` on almost every model ever built!!Dont get the thinking with these SUV`s these days.
IMO a 3.0 S/C is going to be the better car if the experience we had of 5.0 S/C V 3.0 S/C is anything to go by in FFRR guise.
Jim AK said:
Ares said:
Look to top end cars, and it's not that unusual.
Possibly.Pains me to say it but VAG seem to have sorted Bentley reliability, as have BMW with Rolls Royce!
I still have an 18 year old P38 that I think I have finally solved the issues with.......... For this week
swisstoni said:
All decent anecdotal evidence followed by a ridiculous generalisation.
In retrospect the last comment was quite a generalisation. This is the result of 3 years of going back and forth to our dealer with issues, which after a while just get you down. We spent a not inconsiderable amount of money on the car, I appreciate there are more far more expensive models in the range, and being a brand new car we assumed a few years of happy, enjoyable, trouble free motoring - alas it was not to be.It doesnt help that the once very good dealer has gone down hill rapidly from a customer support perspective. We dont ask for much, but when we book the car in and have that booking confirmed then when you arrive at the dealer and are told that there is no such booking, this is annoying - this has happened a few times.
The last comment was unnecessary and is just me venting my frustrations.
JLR want us to believe their products are equal to & compete with Bentley at least.
LWB Range Rover list prices are close to Bentley too.
We have both Range Rover & Bentley driven by our senior partners & 1, a 3.0 Sport has been returned after a new engine & is being replaced by a Velar, although i`m not sure which model it has a price of nearly £70k apparently!
LWB Range Rover list prices are close to Bentley too.
We have both Range Rover & Bentley driven by our senior partners & 1, a 3.0 Sport has been returned after a new engine & is being replaced by a Velar, although i`m not sure which model it has a price of nearly £70k apparently!
Jim AK said:
JLR want us to believe their products are equal to & compete with Bentley at least.
LWB Range Rover list prices are close to Bentley too.
We have both Range Rover & Bentley driven by our senior partners & 1, a 3.0 Sport has been returned after a new engine & is being replaced by a Velar, although i`m not sure which model it has a price of nearly £70k apparently!
Where? They say their new Coupe and perhaps the very top of the FFRR range might just nudge Bentley....but even JLR don't claim they are equal, nor compete with Bentley as a range LWB Range Rover list prices are close to Bentley too.
We have both Range Rover & Bentley driven by our senior partners & 1, a 3.0 Sport has been returned after a new engine & is being replaced by a Velar, although i`m not sure which model it has a price of nearly £70k apparently!
FFRR account for less than 10% of Land Rover sales. Only around 20% of those are even into £6-figures, less than 1% break £150,000.
Bentleys start at £135,000.
LWB 5.0 S/C lists @ £177k!!
Firmly in Continental territory don`t you think?.
Don`t know who you speak to but I work with people who spend those sums on cars & whenever a Bentley has been changed by either senior partner a Bentley has always been on the table with a Range Rover.
At present both partners have Bentleys, 1 had an RRS that`s been returned after 18 months & a new engine as it`s still unreliable & is being replaced by a Velar. The other has a 3.0 S/C FFRR.
Whatever you say or dealers imply, these models go head to head in the buyers mind at the very least.
Firmly in Continental territory don`t you think?.
Don`t know who you speak to but I work with people who spend those sums on cars & whenever a Bentley has been changed by either senior partner a Bentley has always been on the table with a Range Rover.
At present both partners have Bentleys, 1 had an RRS that`s been returned after 18 months & a new engine as it`s still unreliable & is being replaced by a Velar. The other has a 3.0 S/C FFRR.
Whatever you say or dealers imply, these models go head to head in the buyers mind at the very least.
Jim AK said:
LWB 5.0 S/C lists @ £177k!!
Firmly in Continental territory don`t you think?.
Don`t know who you speak to but I work with people who spend those sums on cars & whenever a Bentley has been changed by either senior partner a Bentley has always been on the table with a Range Rover.
At present both partners have Bentleys, 1 had an RRS that`s been returned after 18 months & a new engine as it`s still unreliable & is being replaced by a Velar. The other has a 3.0 S/C FFRR.
Whatever you say or dealers imply, these models go head to head in the buyers mind at the very least.
The extreme, top variant of the top model overlaps in price with the bottom of Bentley's range.Firmly in Continental territory don`t you think?.
Don`t know who you speak to but I work with people who spend those sums on cars & whenever a Bentley has been changed by either senior partner a Bentley has always been on the table with a Range Rover.
At present both partners have Bentleys, 1 had an RRS that`s been returned after 18 months & a new engine as it`s still unreliable & is being replaced by a Velar. The other has a 3.0 S/C FFRR.
Whatever you say or dealers imply, these models go head to head in the buyers mind at the very least.
No-one...and I mean no-one, looks at Jaguar LandRover and sees them as a brand competitor to Bentley,
Ares said:
The extreme, top variant of the top model overlaps in price with the bottom of Bentley's range.
No-one...and I mean no-one, looks at Jaguar LandRover and sees them as a brand competitor to Bentley,
If you say so.No-one...and I mean no-one, looks at Jaguar LandRover and sees them as a brand competitor to Bentley,
Then what would I know?
I just work for people who see both as options when they (frequently) change their cars.
Jim AK said:
Ares said:
The extreme, top variant of the top model overlaps in price with the bottom of Bentley's range.
No-one...and I mean no-one, looks at Jaguar LandRover and sees them as a brand competitor to Bentley,
If you say so.No-one...and I mean no-one, looks at Jaguar LandRover and sees them as a brand competitor to Bentley,
Then what would I know?
I just work for people who see both as options when they (frequently) change their cars.
I've just swapped a 640d for a Alfa QV. Are they competitors on that basis?
I also looked at a RRS. Is that a competitor to the Alfa as well?
Parent at school has just traded in a Focus RS for a Tesla Model X. Competitor?
10 yrs ago, a client of mine wanted to get rid of his Gen 1 Bentley Continental. He looked at the Merc CL, but ended up buying a Peugeot Estate as it would fit a bale of hay in it. Is that a Bentley competitor then??
You get the drift.
TUS373 said:
As much as RRs look pretty I am going to stick my neck out here and probably take flack for it, but I would like to see some stats on reliability. Friends of mine with an Evoque and RR Sport have suffered major recurring problems with electrics. One leaving the car to be recovered from Spain taking 3 weeks. I have seen alot of Evoques at the side of the road with AA/RAC. I am not attaching a stigma as such but from what I have seen it does not inspire great confidence as JLR build increasingly more complex vehicles.
Have you not seen the yearly driver reliability ratings? I don't think JLR have ever made it out of the bottom 5.Edited by TUS373 on Thursday 15th March 08:27
A friend of mine works on the line building these, and once the Mrs was saying how much she wanted a Range Rover. He told her in no uncertain terms not to bother, and that even if he had the money to buy one he would never buy one.
They've got all the reliability of an alcoholic who promises their kids that they won't ever drink again.
Every JLR vehicle thread turns into a load of tosh about someone who someone else knows who had an unreliable car.
I like the Velar but I’m unsure about these very fast SUVs. I think they do general use really well and I’m not sure the extra bhp really suits. But each to there own etc.
Oh, and I’ve had a number of JLR cars and must have just been lucky as I’ve had no major issues and only very few minor niggles... and of course I have freinds with other cars that have had terrible problems, therefore all other cars are s
te and you’d be mad to buy one (note, I don’t really believe that).
I like the Velar but I’m unsure about these very fast SUVs. I think they do general use really well and I’m not sure the extra bhp really suits. But each to there own etc.
Oh, and I’ve had a number of JLR cars and must have just been lucky as I’ve had no major issues and only very few minor niggles... and of course I have freinds with other cars that have had terrible problems, therefore all other cars are s
te and you’d be mad to buy one (note, I don’t really believe that).Ares said:
Why don't you point to where, as asked?
I think the price point is sufficient.If somebody is fortunate enough to be able to afford it their options are somewhat limited, hence JLR would be extremely short sighted not to assume the buyer would not even look at their products.
Jim AK said:
Ares said:
Why don't you point to where, as asked?
I think the price point is sufficient.If somebody is fortunate enough to be able to afford it their options are somewhat limited, hence JLR would be extremely short sighted not to assume the buyer would not even look at their products.
Average purchase price of a JLR product.. £60k?
Average purchase price of a Bentley.. £160?
QED.
JLR do not compete with Bentley any more than they compete with Kia
Disagree, plenty of Bentaygas have gone to sight-impaired former Range Rover customers - there’s a flashier, tackier, more expensive SUV available, so it gets bought. The SV Autobiography was clearly an initial response to the Swarovski Q7 - a precursor to the L405 replacement moving further upmarket.
matfitzpatrick said:
swisstoni said:
All decent anecdotal evidence followed by a ridiculous generalisation.
In retrospect the last comment was quite a generalisation. This is the result of 3 years of going back and forth to our dealer with issues, which after a while just get you down. We spent a not inconsiderable amount of money on the car, I appreciate there are more far more expensive models in the range, and being a brand new car we assumed a few years of happy, enjoyable, trouble free motoring - alas it was not to be.It doesnt help that the once very good dealer has gone down hill rapidly from a customer support perspective. We dont ask for much, but when we book the car in and have that booking confirmed then when you arrive at the dealer and are told that there is no such booking, this is annoying - this has happened a few times.
The last comment was unnecessary and is just me venting my frustrations.
Ares said:
You can actually spec most decent small cars up to a mega level, but when accessible cars have been put out with a luxury angle, they've typically flopped (hello Ford Vignale)
I think that if one of the prestige brands offers a smallish,relatively practical,luxurious and sporty car this company is going to make a killing.I am not talking about a tarted Elise,maybe a really posh Mini like the carbon concept.The Vignale just doesnt have the badge.The AM Cygnet was half-arsed and laughed at,but look at its residuals.If using an existing platform,i would look at the Twingo/Smart platform because of the RWD.
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