RE: Velar SVR prototype spied testing

[Ares]

NomduJour said:

A Macan is that car.

Except on no plant is it a) small and b) cheap.

[Ares]

NomduJour said:

Disagree, plenty of Bentaygas have gone to sight-impaired former Range Rover customers - there’s a flashier, tackier, more expensive SUV available, so it gets bought. The SV Autobiography was clearly an initial response to the Swarovski Q7 - a precursor to the L405 replacement moving further upmarket.

Top flight FFRRs are not the JLR brand. The whole of the FFRR range accounts for less than 2% of JLR sales.

[spagbogdog]

Ares said:

NomduJour said:

Disagree, plenty of Bentaygas have gone to sight-impaired former Range Rover customers - there’s a flashier, tackier, more expensive SUV available, so it gets bought. The SV Autobiography was clearly an initial response to the Swarovski Q7 - a precursor to the L405 replacement moving further upmarket.

Top flight FFRRs are not the JLR brand. The whole of the FFRR range accounts for less than 2% of JLR sales.

I think the "big daddy" RR is a very viable alternative to any Bentley...i have many friends / clients that have them both. It has the same amount of "kudos" imo...by the time you've specced it the way you want it..its well over £150k. I have to say (having driven / sat in / passengered etc etc) the RR is a better place to be in.

I'm a new owner to the brand..have to say the experience thus far has been nothing short of flawless (both dealership and "the car")..

[Granfondo]

spagbogdog said:

Ares said:

NomduJour said:

Disagree, plenty of Bentaygas have gone to sight-impaired former Range Rover customers - there’s a flashier, tackier, more expensive SUV available, so it gets bought. The SV Autobiography was clearly an initial response to the Swarovski Q7 - a precursor to the L405 replacement moving further upmarket.

Top flight FFRRs are not the JLR brand. The whole of the FFRR range accounts for less than 2% of JLR sales.

I think the "big daddy" RR is a very viable alternative to any Bentley...i have many friends / clients that have them both. It has the same amount of "kudos" imo...by the time you've specced it the way you want it..its well over £150k. I have to say (having driven / sat in / passengered etc etc) the RR is a better place to be in.

I'm a new owner to the brand..have to say the experience thus far has been nothing short of flawless (both dealership and "the car")..

+1

[NomduJour]

Ares said:

Top flight FFRRs are not the JLR brand. The whole of the FFRR range accounts for less than 2% of JLR sales.

Tarted-up Q7s are not the VW brand. The whole of the Bentley range accounts for less than 0.1% of VW Group sales.

[Ares]

spagbogdog said:

Ares said:

NomduJour said:

Disagree, plenty of Bentaygas have gone to sight-impaired former Range Rover customers - there’s a flashier, tackier, more expensive SUV available, so it gets bought. The SV Autobiography was clearly an initial response to the Swarovski Q7 - a precursor to the L405 replacement moving further upmarket.

Top flight FFRRs are not the JLR brand. The whole of the FFRR range accounts for less than 2% of JLR sales.

I think the "big daddy" RR is a very viable alternative to any Bentley...i have many friends / clients that have them both. It has the same amount of "kudos" imo...by the time you've specced it the way you want it..its well over £150k. I have to say (having driven / sat in / passengered etc etc) the RR is a better place to be in.

I'm a new owner to the brand..have to say the experience thus far has been nothing short of flawless (both dealership and "the car")..

Again.....the clam was that JLR see themselves as a Bentley competitor. I

[Ares]

NomduJour said:

Ares said:

Top flight FFRRs are not the JLR brand. The whole of the FFRR range accounts for less than 2% of JLR sales.

Tarted-up Q7s are not the VW brand. The whole of the Bentley range accounts for less than 0.1% of VW Group sales.

Again.....the clam was that JLR see themselves as a Bentley competitor.


PS - by Tarted-up Q7s, do you mean the Bentley Bentayga? If so, do you always have such a chip on your shoulder?

[NomduJour]

No chip, although I’m happy to admit that I find the Bentayga vulgar and cynically-conceived, and it is very obviously just another variant of the VW MLB platform, largely built from the same bits as the Q7, new Cayenne, new Touareg, Urus etc.

[Shiv_P]

NomduJour said:

No chip, although I’m happy to admit that I find the Bentayga vulgar and cynically-conceived, and it is very obviously just another variant of the VW MLB platform, largely built from the same bits as the Q7, new Cayenne, new Touareg, Urus etc.

Just because cars use the same platform does not mean they use the "same bits". That's a load of crap

[NomduJour]

There are lots and lots and lots of shared parts, that’s the point.

[Granfondo]

Ares said:

Again.....the clam was that JLR see themselves as a Bentley competitor. I

Do you not think that someone who is going to spend £150k plus on a luxury 4x4 is not going to look at a Bentaga and a FFRR SVA ?

[mainaman]

Ares said:

Except on no plant is it a) small and b) cheap.

It is too big,but i am not talking about cheap.Smaller and very expensive,this is the untapped market.

[powerstroke]

I wish these Indians all the best I really do but sadly nothing they make is remotely interesting ,ground breaking ,practical or fun , they are just like audis, same st different size !!! white goods
IMHO....

[Ares]

Granfondo said:

Ares said:

Again.....the clam was that JLR see themselves as a Bentley competitor. I

Do you not think that someone who is going to spend £150k plus on a luxury 4x4 is not going to look at a Bentaga and a FFRR SVA ?

Do you understand the concept of a Venn diagram. How small do you think the overlap is on JLR's model range and sales?

And do you understand that is was the claim that JLR see themselves as a Bentley competitor?

[spagbogdog]

powerstroke said:

I wish these Indians all the best I really do but sadly nothing they make is remotely interesting ,ground breaking ,practical or fun , they are just like audis, same st different size !!! white goods
IMHO....

...ain’t got no problem shiftin ‘em though..

[Tim bo]

Meh.

A big, square house on wheels is still a big, square house on wheels.

Not for me thanks.

[Pintofbest]

Ares said:

Top flight FFRRs are not the JLR brand. The whole of the FFRR range accounts for less than 2% of JLR sales.

Where did you get that from? FFRR are over 10% of JLR sales (c70k of 620k cars).

Edited by Pintofbest on Saturday 17th March 11:18

[Granfondo]

Ares said:

Granfondo said:

Ares said:

Again.....the clam was that JLR see themselves as a Bentley competitor. I

Do you not think that someone who is going to spend £150k plus on a luxury 4x4 is not going to look at a Bentaga and a FFRR SVA ?

Do you understand the concept of a Venn diagram. How small do you think the overlap is on JLR's model range and sales?

And do you understand that is was the claim that JLR see themselves as a Bentley competitor?

When Bentley decided to make a large expensive 4x4 who did you think they thought they would be pinching sales from?

[Ares]

Granfondo said:

Ares said:

Granfondo said:

Ares said:

Again.....the clam was that JLR see themselves as a Bentley competitor. I

Do you not think that someone who is going to spend £150k plus on a luxury 4x4 is not going to look at a Bentaga and a FFRR SVA ?

Do you understand the concept of a Venn diagram. How small do you think the overlap is on JLR's model range and sales?

And do you understand that is was the claim that JLR see themselves as a Bentley competitor?

When Bentley decided to make a large expensive 4x4 who did you think they thought they would be pinching sales from?

But this is about how JLR see themselves.....?

[Granfondo]

Ares said:

Granfondo said:

Ares said:

Granfondo said:

Ares said:

Again.....the clam was that JLR see themselves as a Bentley competitor. I

Do you not think that someone who is going to spend £150k plus on a luxury 4x4 is not going to look at a Bentaga and a FFRR SVA ?

Do you understand the concept of a Venn diagram. How small do you think the overlap is on JLR's model range and sales?

And do you understand that is was the claim that JLR see themselves as a Bentley competitor?

When Bentley decided to make a large expensive 4x4 who did you think they thought they would be pinching sales from?

But this is about how JLR see themselves.....?

When JLR think about building cars at over £240k you think they don't think of themselves as luxury and premium as Bentley?