RE: Escort Cossie WRC: Time for Coffee
Discussion
PHMatt said:
It's only Toyota fans that give a toss about Celica's. Imprezza's weren't around. Does anyone even know what an Evo I is? I love a Clio Williams personally, but as great as I think they are, they were for some reason regarded as 2nd best behind 205 GTi's. Calibra turbo's? They were bad, very bad, even the Vauxhall boys knew if you farted it'd blow the transfer box.
Rally fans were a lot more parochial in 1993, and Ford was still one of the big names in recent rally history, notwithstanding it's late involvement in Group B. Mitsubishi and Subaru were niche market brands back then, more associated with farmers than rallying despite having taken part since the 70s and 80s respectively.Clios were awesome tarmac rally cars, as were 205s, they had to be because you didn't want to crash one.
My Calibra Turbo did 200,000 miles on the same transfer box (and clutch) and was ultra reliable, despite being treated with little respect. There was a Group A Calibra Turbo, the first ever rally car fitted with an active differential. Unfortunately they suffered from overheating issues due to poor through airflow in the (standard) bumper and grille design and GM didn't persevere with it.
urquattroGus said:
I feel quite a lot of nostalgia for the Boreham Rally team, Boreham is just a few miles down the road from where I live.
First knew about it when we went on a school trip to see the police helicopter station, was more interested in the row of RS200's etc parked up near the entrance.
The land is still reportedly owned by Ford Motor Co, they have been trying to get houses on it for a long time.
I've been on that land as I know the farmer, drove part of what is left of the Boreham test track a couple of years ago. Not much left now!
I also donly recall my grandfather talking about going to race events including one Grand Prix there in the 50's.
I was there right at the end from 2000 - 2004 when we were building the Puma Super 1600 & Kit Cars. So much history there, the hangar on the airfield (still there & designed by Barnes Wallace of bouncing bomb and Vickers Wellington fame) was like Aladin's cave, full of parts and kit from the previous years cars. Still owned by Ford tough they have nothing to do with the site anymore. It's true that it was used post WWII as a GP circuit and Moss, Fangio, Hawthorn, Clark etc. all competed there with crowds of up to 80,000. It was built by the Americans in 1944 as a bomber base mostly for Mitchells and Marauders and the control tower and memorial are still there. Escort era was the last great era for rallying. Todays cars are fabulously accomplished but the events lack the drama of the past and the TV audience fell away when it all went pay per view. I watched a recent event (Fiesta is busy winning again) and there were endless interviews, tech talks and behind the scenes sections and hardly any actual rallying.......... Won't be watching again.First knew about it when we went on a school trip to see the police helicopter station, was more interested in the row of RS200's etc parked up near the entrance.
The land is still reportedly owned by Ford Motor Co, they have been trying to get houses on it for a long time.
I've been on that land as I know the farmer, drove part of what is left of the Boreham test track a couple of years ago. Not much left now!
I also donly recall my grandfather talking about going to race events including one Grand Prix there in the 50's.
j4r4lly said:
urquattroGus said:
I feel quite a lot of nostalgia for the Boreham Rally team, Boreham is just a few miles down the road from where I live.
First knew about it when we went on a school trip to see the police helicopter station, was more interested in the row of RS200's etc parked up near the entrance.
The land is still reportedly owned by Ford Motor Co, they have been trying to get houses on it for a long time.
I've been on that land as I know the farmer, drove part of what is left of the Boreham test track a couple of years ago. Not much left now!
I also donly recall my grandfather talking about going to race events including one Grand Prix there in the 50's.
I was there right at the end from 2000 - 2004 when we were building the Puma Super 1600 & Kit Cars. So much history there, the hangar on the airfield (still there & designed by Barnes Wallace of bouncing bomb and Vickers Wellington fame) was like Aladin's cave, full of parts and kit from the previous years cars. Still owned by Ford tough they have nothing to do with the site anymore. It's true that it was used post WWII as a GP circuit and Moss, Fangio, Hawthorn, Clark etc. all competed there with crowds of up to 80,000. It was built by the Americans in 1944 as a bomber base mostly for Mitchells and Marauders and the control tower and memorial are still there. Escort era was the last great era for rallying. Todays cars are fabulously accomplished but the events lack the drama of the past and the TV audience fell away when it all went pay per view. I watched a recent event (Fiesta is busy winning again) and there were endless interviews, tech talks and behind the scenes sections and hardly any actual rallying.......... Won't be watching again.First knew about it when we went on a school trip to see the police helicopter station, was more interested in the row of RS200's etc parked up near the entrance.
The land is still reportedly owned by Ford Motor Co, they have been trying to get houses on it for a long time.
I've been on that land as I know the farmer, drove part of what is left of the Boreham test track a couple of years ago. Not much left now!
I also donly recall my grandfather talking about going to race events including one Grand Prix there in the 50's.
j4r4lly said:
urquattroGus said:
I feel quite a lot of nostalgia for the Boreham Rally team, Boreham is just a few miles down the road from where I live.
First knew about it when we went on a school trip to see the police helicopter station, was more interested in the row of RS200's etc parked up near the entrance.
The land is still reportedly owned by Ford Motor Co, they have been trying to get houses on it for a long time.
I've been on that land as I know the farmer, drove part of what is left of the Boreham test track a couple of years ago. Not much left now!
I also donly recall my grandfather talking about going to race events including one Grand Prix there in the 50's.
I was there right at the end from 2000 - 2004 when we were building the Puma Super 1600 & Kit Cars. So much history there, the hangar on the airfield (still there & designed by Barnes Wallace of bouncing bomb and Vickers Wellington fame) was like Aladin's cave, full of parts and kit from the previous years cars. Still owned by Ford tough they have nothing to do with the site anymore. It's true that it was used post WWII as a GP circuit and Moss, Fangio, Hawthorn, Clark etc. all competed there with crowds of up to 80,000. It was built by the Americans in 1944 as a bomber base mostly for Mitchells and Marauders and the control tower and memorial are still there. Escort era was the last great era for rallying. Todays cars are fabulously accomplished but the events lack the drama of the past and the TV audience fell away when it all went pay per view. I watched a recent event (Fiesta is busy winning again) and there were endless interviews, tech talks and behind the scenes sections and hardly any actual rallying.......... Won't be watching again.First knew about it when we went on a school trip to see the police helicopter station, was more interested in the row of RS200's etc parked up near the entrance.
The land is still reportedly owned by Ford Motor Co, they have been trying to get houses on it for a long time.
I've been on that land as I know the farmer, drove part of what is left of the Boreham test track a couple of years ago. Not much left now!
I also donly recall my grandfather talking about going to race events including one Grand Prix there in the 50's.
Some great little bits of history in the local area though - little workshops tucked away that used to do all sorts. Was so many people based near by - the likes of Gordon Spooner etc.
Jon_S_Rally said:
Am I right in thinking that most of the runway/track got dug up as some sort of quarry took over part of it? I work a few miles away, but would love to take a look around, though doubt there is much evidence left now.
Some great little bits of history in the local area though - little workshops tucked away that used to do all sorts. Was so many people based near by - the likes of Gordon Spooner etc.
Looks like all the workshops are still there.Some great little bits of history in the local area though - little workshops tucked away that used to do all sorts. Was so many people based near by - the likes of Gordon Spooner etc.
s m said:
J4CKO said:
vindaloo79 said:
The spectators have a death wish. fun viewing...
Yeah, I did read or hear that when they got into the stops, sometimes there would be blood and bits of spectators on the car, or have I dreamt that ? certainly seems plausible given the stupidity of standing in front of really fast cars being driven flat out.Getting towards the last of the era that I watched WRC, to me the Escort, Celica, Corolla, Impreza, Lancer et al were truly thr last of when fire-breathing monsters were to bestride the earth like Titans. Thr current stuff leaves me cold and holds no interest for me, especially being old enough to remember the Mk1&2 Escorts and the fabulous GpB era.
As an aside, I never fail to wince when I see an article that then mentions cars for sale and the link takes one straight to the sales page of either KGF or 4starClassics; do they have shares in PH, or vicky-verky???
As an aside, I never fail to wince when I see an article that then mentions cars for sale and the link takes one straight to the sales page of either KGF or 4starClassics; do they have shares in PH, or vicky-verky???
j4r4lly said:
urquattroGus said:
I feel quite a lot of nostalgia for the Boreham Rally team, Boreham is just a few miles down the road from where I live.
First knew about it when we went on a school trip to see the police helicopter station, was more interested in the row of RS200's etc parked up near the entrance.
The land is still reportedly owned by Ford Motor Co, they have been trying to get houses on it for a long time.
I've been on that land as I know the farmer, drove part of what is left of the Boreham test track a couple of years ago. Not much left now!
I also donly recall my grandfather talking about going to race events including one Grand Prix there in the 50's.
I was there right at the end from 2000 - 2004 when we were building the Puma Super 1600 & Kit Cars. So much history there, the hangar on the airfield (still there & designed by Barnes Wallace of bouncing bomb and Vickers Wellington fame) was like Aladin's cave, full of parts and kit from the previous years cars. Still owned by Ford tough they have nothing to do with the site anymore. It's true that it was used post WWII as a GP circuit and Moss, Fangio, Hawthorn, Clark etc. all competed there with crowds of up to 80,000. It was built by the Americans in 1944 as a bomber base mostly for Mitchells and Marauders and the control tower and memorial are still there. Escort era was the last great era for rallying. Todays cars are fabulously accomplished but the events lack the drama of the past and the TV audience fell away when it all went pay per view. I watched a recent event (Fiesta is busy winning again) and there were endless interviews, tech talks and behind the scenes sections and hardly any actual rallying.......... Won't be watching again.First knew about it when we went on a school trip to see the police helicopter station, was more interested in the row of RS200's etc parked up near the entrance.
The land is still reportedly owned by Ford Motor Co, they have been trying to get houses on it for a long time.
I've been on that land as I know the farmer, drove part of what is left of the Boreham test track a couple of years ago. Not much left now!
I also donly recall my grandfather talking about going to race events including one Grand Prix there in the 50's.
Grandfather also told a story of settling a score with a friend down there who said his Sunbeam Alpine was quicker than his Zephyr 6 with Raymond Mays cylinder head etc etc, score was duly settled...
Did enjoy visiting Cumbria last year and seeing a M sport Fiesta coming towards me though, that took me by surprise at first, then I twigged due to where we were etc
Jon_S_Rally said:
Am I right in thinking that most of the runway/track got dug up as some sort of quarry took over part of it? I work a few miles away, but would love to take a look around, though doubt there is much evidence left now.
Some great little bits of history in the local area though - little workshops tucked away that used to do all sorts. Was so many people based near by - the likes of Gordon Spooner etc.
This is worth a read if you want to know more about Boreham: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Boreham-40-year-Story-Mot...Some great little bits of history in the local area though - little workshops tucked away that used to do all sorts. Was so many people based near by - the likes of Gordon Spooner etc.
I agree, a lot of history around. We still have Graham Hathaway near Maldon, Geoff Page Racing too.
It's actually quite impressive what expertise there still is about and around Maldon.
Various ex ford rally guys are about, or at least were, and now we have the huge JD classics site too.
Good entertainment for a Friday afternoon. A bit scary at times. I looked for the end credits to see if there was anything to say 'no spectators were harmed in the making of this video' but couldn't see anything. I wonder if they have to use a bug, tar & spectator remover spray or does the splatter just wash off.
So.... how is that £60k car mentioned at the start of the article car no.81 of an apparent build run of 70 cars??
"Out of these only 70 were built in the right-hand-drive for the UK market. The ‘Monte’ was available in only 3 colours – Ash Black, Mallard Green and ‘Jewel Violet’
Our particular vehicle is No81 of the 70 made in RHD".
"Out of these only 70 were built in the right-hand-drive for the UK market. The ‘Monte’ was available in only 3 colours – Ash Black, Mallard Green and ‘Jewel Violet’
Our particular vehicle is No81 of the 70 made in RHD".
MHWM5 said:
Good entertainment for a Friday afternoon. A bit scary at times. I looked for the end credits to see if there was anything to say 'no spectators were harmed in the making of this video' but couldn't see anything. I wonder if they have to use a bug, tar & spectator remover spray or does the splatter just wash off.
A finger was once found in a T-16 grill after a stage... apparently.Another great era of rallying. Why rules cannot be in place that to rally you have to produce road going versions like back then. If I remember it was 2500 road going versions cossie , GT4 etc that had to be built .
Before that group B was around 200 6R4, RS200 T16 etc and then later than that Impreza and Evo's well they all looked like rally cars.
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Where is the link with modern rally cars.....none !
Before that group B was around 200 6R4, RS200 T16 etc and then later than that Impreza and Evo's well they all looked like rally cars.
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Where is the link with modern rally cars.....none !
pjksutherland said:
So.... how is that £60k car mentioned at the start of the article car no.81 of an apparent build run of 70 cars??
"Out of these only 70 were built in the right-hand-drive for the UK market. The ‘Monte’ was available in only 3 colours – Ash Black, Mallard Green and ‘Jewel Violet’
Our particular vehicle is No81 of the 70 made in RHD".
There was 200 Monte cars made and sold. The numbering for the car is very random for RHD and LHD, so the first 70 won't be solely RHD, but a mix."Out of these only 70 were built in the right-hand-drive for the UK market. The ‘Monte’ was available in only 3 colours – Ash Black, Mallard Green and ‘Jewel Violet’
Our particular vehicle is No81 of the 70 made in RHD".
I love the Escort Cosworth. An Imperial Blue with raven leather interior is still on my dream car list.
MHWM5 said:
Good entertainment for a Friday afternoon. A bit scary at times. I looked for the end credits to see if there was anything to say 'no spectators were harmed in the making of this video' but couldn't see anything. I wonder if they have to use a bug, tar & spectator remover spray or does the splatter just wash off.
I bet you are devastated today when you realised it's not Saturday yet! Dubious as the spectating was, it almost looks like "elf and safety gone mad" compared to some of the 80's Portugese rally footage. Truly mental!
Gad-Westy said:
j4r4lly said:
urquattroGus said:
I feel quite a lot of nostalgia for the Boreham Rally team, Boreham is just a few miles down the road from where I live.
First knew about it when we went on a school trip to see the police helicopter station, was more interested in the row of RS200's etc parked up near the entrance.
The land is still reportedly owned by Ford Motor Co, they have been trying to get houses on it for a long time.
I've been on that land as I know the farmer, drove part of what is left of the Boreham test track a couple of years ago. Not much left now!
I also donly recall my grandfather talking about going to race events including one Grand Prix there in the 50's.
I was there right at the end from 2000 - 2004 when we were building the Puma Super 1600 & Kit Cars. So much history there, the hangar on the airfield (still there & designed by Barnes Wallace of bouncing bomb and Vickers Wellington fame) was like Aladin's cave, full of parts and kit from the previous years cars. Still owned by Ford tough they have nothing to do with the site anymore. It's true that it was used post WWII as a GP circuit and Moss, Fangio, Hawthorn, Clark etc. all competed there with crowds of up to 80,000. It was built by the Americans in 1944 as a bomber base mostly for Mitchells and Marauders and the control tower and memorial are still there. Escort era was the last great era for rallying. Todays cars are fabulously accomplished but the events lack the drama of the past and the TV audience fell away when it all went pay per view. I watched a recent event (Fiesta is busy winning again) and there were endless interviews, tech talks and behind the scenes sections and hardly any actual rallying.......... Won't be watching again.First knew about it when we went on a school trip to see the police helicopter station, was more interested in the row of RS200's etc parked up near the entrance.
The land is still reportedly owned by Ford Motor Co, they have been trying to get houses on it for a long time.
I've been on that land as I know the farmer, drove part of what is left of the Boreham test track a couple of years ago. Not much left now!
I also donly recall my grandfather talking about going to race events including one Grand Prix there in the 50's.
Only thing that bugs me is their complete inability to sound level or make the commentary audible at all at times.
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