RE: Lotus Europa: Spotted

RE: Lotus Europa: Spotted

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alolympic

700 posts

198 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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foxoles said:
Bought mine back in 1984 from ChrisNeils in Northwich - 2 year restoration and kept it for 28 years. At 6' had no problem getting in or out, even now at 58, it's just technique. Regret selling it, but fancied trying an Elan.
Here she is:
Lovely! Out of interest, how does the drive compare between this and an Elan?

suffolk009

5,429 posts

166 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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I sold my s2 in January this year. I have always wanted one.

I bought it a couple of years earlier as a restoration project. I parked it in a friends barn. It was in need of complete restoration - but importantly, for me, it hadn't been modified.

Having bought it sight unseen I was glad that I could fit in it. I'm 6ft, size 11 feet, 48in chest, and weigh rather too much. I realised the steering wheel would need to be swapped for something smaller and I would need to wear racing boots just like when I had Caterhams.

I was passing Paul Mattys at the end of last year so dropped in. They had a lovely s2 in stock at the time. It had a smaller wheel, I asked Paul if I could sit in it. Of course I could. I took my shoes and coat off and got in. The small wheel was perfect. I was delighted. Then I tried shutting the door. Then I realised I would have to sell the car.

I should have remembered an old Motorsport review, from memory they wrote that "the interior is so snug that there was surely no need for seatbelts".

V8 FOU

2,977 posts

148 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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suffolk009 said:
I sold my s2 in January this year. I have always wanted one.

I bought it a couple of years earlier as a restoration project. I parked it in a friends barn. It was in need of complete restoration - but importantly, for me, it hadn't been modified.

Having bought it sight unseen I was glad that I could fit in it. I'm 6ft, size 11 feet, 48in chest, and weigh rather too much. I realised the steering wheel would need to be swapped for something smaller and I would need to wear racing boots just like when I had Caterhams.

I was passing Paul Mattys at the end of last year so dropped in. They had a lovely s2 in stock at the time. It had a smaller wheel, I asked Paul if I could sit in it. Of course I could. I took my shoes and coat off and got in. The small wheel was perfect. I was delighted. Then I tried shutting the door. Then I realised I would have to sell the car.

I should have remembered an old Motorsport review, from memory they wrote that "the interior is so snug that there was surely no need for seatbelts".
Should try a TC. I'm 6' and size 10's - no problem.
Best buy mine, then!!


P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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suffolk009

5,429 posts

166 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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V8 FOU said:
Should try a TC. I'm 6' and size 10's - no problem.
Best buy mine, then!!
Are the doors on the TC different? The problem wasn't my 6ft or size 11s. The problem I had was that with the door closed there wasn't enough room for my shoulders.

It's a common problem for retired rugby player types who want to drive Lotus Europas, Elans, MG Midgets, even Ariel Atoms with those sculpted seats are impossibly narrow and very uncomfortable. When I drove Caterhams, I just sort of squeezed in and spilled out over the sills like a muffin - I couldn't close the fabric doors!

dinkel

26,959 posts

259 months

Wednesday 21st March 2018
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suffolk009

5,429 posts

166 months

Wednesday 21st March 2018
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I think that last picture is an Excel.

Europa1

10,923 posts

189 months

Wednesday 21st March 2018
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Stridey said:
The new Europa (a rather posh Elise) also tickles my fancy.
Do it! I loved mine.

Get an SE.

Black S2K

1,475 posts

250 months

Wednesday 21st March 2018
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Will94 said:
If you haven't already read it, LJK Setright's article on the Europa (from 1967, I think) has some interesting engineering details (and, naturally, some allusions to Greek mythology).

I doubt people would tolerate writing like this nowadays, but I find it fascinating.

http://www.lotus-europa.com/literature/setright.ht...
Me too! Thanks for the link.

aeropilot

34,666 posts

228 months

Wednesday 21st March 2018
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suffolk009 said:
I think that last picture is an Excel.
More likely an Elite I would think?

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Wednesday 21st March 2018
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Looks like an Elite to me. He had more than none Lotus though...





Forty years ago this year since Ronnie died, where did all that time go...?

suffolk009

5,429 posts

166 months

Wednesday 21st March 2018
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aeropilot said:
More likely an Elite I would think?
I'm sure you;re right. I get confussed between the two.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 21st March 2018
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P5BNij said:
Looks like an Elite to me. He had more than none Lotus though...





Forty years ago this year since Ronnie died, where did all that time go...?
40 years!!!

As a very young boy, Ronnie and Emerson Fittipaldi were my dream team. I still have a huge model of the JPS Lotus.

foxoles

140 posts

127 months

Wednesday 21st March 2018
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alolympic said:
foxoles said:
Bought mine back in 1984 from ChrisNeils in Northwich - 2 year restoration and kept it for 28 years. At 6' had no problem getting in or out, even now at 58, it's just technique. Regret selling it, but fancied trying an Elan.
Here she is:
Lovely! Out of interest, how does the drive compare between this and an Elan?
TBH not a massive amount of difference, I would say that the Europa feels more 'exotic' to drive and more spacious and quiet inside, but the Elan fits like a glove and feels more 'chuckable' and with a far nicer gear change - the Europa's was OK once you knew by muscle memory where they were. If I had to pick one..............the Europa, probably because it was my first Lotus and had got a lot of memories tied to it.

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Wednesday 21st March 2018
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I had a very brief drive in an Elan Sprint last year which belongs to a friend of a neighbour, I'm barely 5'3'' but it felt 'just right' even though I only took it up to the end of the road and back. The cockpit felt tiny though compared to my Cooper S! I've sat in but never driven a Europa which felt very nice comfort wise, sitting in it for about ten minutes my immediate thought was ''I could seriously get used to having this''.

I wonder if the red car was Ronnie's...






P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Wednesday 21st March 2018
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Ronnie tries out a Europa Twin Cam at Silverstone in '73...








anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 21st March 2018
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P5BNij said:
Fantastic! Having wondered about Europa for a long time back in the day I eventually bought an Esprit instead. Wonderful cars, and I remain a fan of great mid-engine chassis.

Lotus Elan +2

459 posts

266 months

Wednesday 21st March 2018
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The type 62cloud9

CO2000

3,177 posts

210 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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foxoles said:
alolympic said:
foxoles said:
Bought mine back in 1984 from ChrisNeils in Northwich - 2 year restoration and kept it for 28 years. At 6' had no problem getting in or out, even now at 58, it's just technique. Regret selling it, but fancied trying an Elan.
Here she is:
Lovely! Out of interest, how does the drive compare between this and an Elan?
TBH not a massive amount of difference, I would say that the Europa feels more 'exotic' to drive and more spacious and quiet inside, but the Elan fits like a glove and feels more 'chuckable' and with a far nicer gear change - the Europa's was OK once you knew by muscle memory where they were. If I had to pick one..............the Europa, probably because it was my first Lotus and had got a lot of memories tied to it.
Ahh the gearbox.......rather than a R for reverse they should have had a little picture of a tombola biggrin Well at least mine should have! I ran mine for 2 years and never saw another and maybe only once or twice on the road in the last 20 years, v rare car & one that I was lucky to own (1973 Europa twin cam special - Lagoon blue)

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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Lotus Elan +2 said:

The type 62cloud9
Oh yes, very nice cloud9. I think Banks Europa up in Lancashire will build you one for a nominal fee!

An early S2 at the NEC in November 2016...