Cars that made no impact or contribution to motoring
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"Threads that made no impact or contribution to Pistonheads"
This is the latest iteration (previous one was the old cars that could go on sale today - which turned out to be a list of nothing of the sort).
Before I even opened the thread I knew that it would be a gallery of cars that people have probably neither owned nor driven but read somewhere weren't very good (which wasn't the brief) with an Alfa and the Rodius featuring in the first page, or something they don't personally like.
Bingo!
Irony is that all of the cars have clearly made an impact of some sort as people remember them. This thread is an oxymoron.
This is the latest iteration (previous one was the old cars that could go on sale today - which turned out to be a list of nothing of the sort).
Before I even opened the thread I knew that it would be a gallery of cars that people have probably neither owned nor driven but read somewhere weren't very good (which wasn't the brief) with an Alfa and the Rodius featuring in the first page, or something they don't personally like.
Bingo!
Irony is that all of the cars have clearly made an impact of some sort as people remember them. This thread is an oxymoron.
Evanivitch said:
Heaveho said:
Ford Fusion. I mean, just why?
You could add the Renault Modus to that as well.The snobbery in this thread is just off the scale, i wouldnt be caught dead in a vauxhall, but to claim that it is simply impossible for anyone anywhere to fondly remember their vectra just means you live in a weird little bubble of reality where anything not ordained by the saints of stutgart or modena is not worth remembering.
Kia Shuma
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/car-reviews/kia/shuma/...
"Its floorpans, engines and transmissions came straight from Mazda's 323, the bodywork was created by British design consultants IAD and the handling originally fine-tuned in association with Lotus. "
It was a literal rehash of an existing design, with all real work done out of house by Kia.
It did not feature a single new feature, or improve upon any aspect of an existing car. Sales in the UK were mininal.
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/car-reviews/kia/shuma/...
"Its floorpans, engines and transmissions came straight from Mazda's 323, the bodywork was created by British design consultants IAD and the handling originally fine-tuned in association with Lotus. "
It was a literal rehash of an existing design, with all real work done out of house by Kia.
It did not feature a single new feature, or improve upon any aspect of an existing car. Sales in the UK were mininal.
Vitorio said:
The snobbery in this thread is just off the scale.
Agreed. The thread is just a list of cars that do not meet with individuals' personal choices. The fact that a certain car existed and sold even one unit meant they contributed to someone's motoring.PH clickbait is poor.
ExPat2B said:
Kia Shuma
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/car-reviews/kia/shuma/...
"Its floorpans, engines and transmissions came straight from Mazda's 323, the bodywork was created by British design consultants IAD and the handling originally fine-tuned in association with Lotus. "
It was a literal rehash of an existing design, with all real work done out of house by Kia.
It did not feature a single new feature, or improve upon any aspect of an existing car. Sales in the UK were mininal.
Yeah, but it turned a significant profit as a product due to relatively low development costs which contributed to the company rising to the next level. Irony none that a car from the parent company recently received high praise from the world's biggest motoring show where it was rated above the previous class leader.https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/car-reviews/kia/shuma/...
"Its floorpans, engines and transmissions came straight from Mazda's 323, the bodywork was created by British design consultants IAD and the handling originally fine-tuned in association with Lotus. "
It was a literal rehash of an existing design, with all real work done out of house by Kia.
It did not feature a single new feature, or improve upon any aspect of an existing car. Sales in the UK were mininal.
Some people have a very myopic view of what contribution means.
Edited by r11co on Friday 23 March 09:20
Salamura said:
Any of the current crop of high-riding hatchbacks, i.e. SUVs. Utter turds, every single one of them. They can all disappear tomorrow, and nobody would even notice.
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Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they have made no contribution... [g]https://thumbsnap.com/sc/ljWKY67Y.jpg[/img]
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Heaveho said:
And yet here you both are.................
Oh im not complaining about the clickbait, merely that most posters have a very narrow view of what a car could have contributed.The only car mentioned so far i might be able to get on board with is the ARNA, objectively a bad idea, and given its issues i find it hard to imagine a lot of people will remember theirs fondly
Still, there is someone local to me selling a low mileage ARNA for 3K, and given its age it has obviously been cared for, so who knows?
ExPat2B said:
Kia Shuma
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/car-reviews/kia/shuma/...
"Its floorpans, engines and transmissions came straight from Mazda's 323, the bodywork was created by British design consultants IAD and the handling originally fine-tuned in association with Lotus. "
It was a literal rehash of an existing design, with all real work done out of house by Kia.
It did not feature a single new feature, or improve upon any aspect of an existing car. Sales in the UK were mininal.
I was going to post this:-https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/car-reviews/kia/shuma/...
"Its floorpans, engines and transmissions came straight from Mazda's 323, the bodywork was created by British design consultants IAD and the handling originally fine-tuned in association with Lotus. "
It was a literal rehash of an existing design, with all real work done out of house by Kia.
It did not feature a single new feature, or improve upon any aspect of an existing car. Sales in the UK were mininal.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Vitorio said:
Evanivitch said:
Heaveho said:
Ford Fusion. I mean, just why?
You could add the Renault Modus to that as well.Personally I would say the convenience to those with mobility issues is an aside to the design brief of "take a Clio, make it taller".
Evanivitch said:
If that was the reason for making it then I'd expect automatic gearbox (or CVT like the jazz) and rear parking sensors would be standard. Maybe power adjustable driver's seat or auto lights and wipers too? (Latter is an option).
Personally I would say the convenience to those with mobility issues is an aside to the design brief of "take a Clio, make it taller".
All those options you mention, save for the auto box, werent exactly normal in supermini land when the Clio or Modus were introduced, im not even sure you can buy a car in that size with power seats today.. Putting high end stuff in such a car would price it out of the market.Personally I would say the convenience to those with mobility issues is an aside to the design brief of "take a Clio, make it taller".
EDIT: also, the "take a clio, make it taller" brief seems to appeal to people who prefer a high point of view over the road (mostly women in my experience), exactly the same reason all those dreadfull SUVs seem to sell.
The Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore.
Many of you have probably never heard of the former and know the other as some Australian produced Vauxhall. The truth is they were both dreadful cars with the Commodore descending from the Opel Reckford and the Falcon from the Ford Zephyr. The later generations were American style muscle cars with weak American engines. They were big, heavy, drank like a fish produced very little power (270 KW or 360 HP from a 6.2L V8) and are now gone... nothing of value has been lost.
Its a car that no-one wanted, the interiors were rubbish, the base model was a V6 that was outperformed by a 2L I4. The V8s were too costly to run in Europe as well as being outclassed by the Germans for the same money and they more expensive to buy than American muscle cars so they never sold in the states. Holden tried exporting the Commodore as the VXR8 and Chevy SS (stands for Sports Sedan (Saloon in UK parlance) and they still haven't figured out why that never worked in Europe). Ford on the other hand hardly ever tried exporting the Falcon.
In the end, they died an unglamorous death after an unglamorous life and having almost no impact on motoring. The only ones morning their passing are Bogans.
Ford Falcon:
Holden Commodore:
Many of you have probably never heard of the former and know the other as some Australian produced Vauxhall. The truth is they were both dreadful cars with the Commodore descending from the Opel Reckford and the Falcon from the Ford Zephyr. The later generations were American style muscle cars with weak American engines. They were big, heavy, drank like a fish produced very little power (270 KW or 360 HP from a 6.2L V8) and are now gone... nothing of value has been lost.
Its a car that no-one wanted, the interiors were rubbish, the base model was a V6 that was outperformed by a 2L I4. The V8s were too costly to run in Europe as well as being outclassed by the Germans for the same money and they more expensive to buy than American muscle cars so they never sold in the states. Holden tried exporting the Commodore as the VXR8 and Chevy SS (stands for Sports Sedan (Saloon in UK parlance) and they still haven't figured out why that never worked in Europe). Ford on the other hand hardly ever tried exporting the Falcon.
In the end, they died an unglamorous death after an unglamorous life and having almost no impact on motoring. The only ones morning their passing are Bogans.
Ford Falcon:
Holden Commodore:
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