RE: Audi R8 RWS vs Porsche 911 GT3
Discussion
RamboLambo said:
Just don't get how on the British Public Roads where you can't "Drift" around a corner at 90 mph a 2WD car is better than a 4WD Audi R8.
Any half decent driver in the 4WD version could keep up with a race driver in the 2WD.
Just pointless unless you want to hoon around a track all day and that doesn't strike me as audi's type of customer in the first place
As for a GT3, what's there to discuss as you can't get one period unless you are royalty. Again another pointless car unless you are one of the chosen few so lets not even give it air time
So both cars are pointless. Thanks for your in-depth review. Journalistic genius Any half decent driver in the 4WD version could keep up with a race driver in the 2WD.
Just pointless unless you want to hoon around a track all day and that doesn't strike me as audi's type of customer in the first place
As for a GT3, what's there to discuss as you can't get one period unless you are royalty. Again another pointless car unless you are one of the chosen few so lets not even give it air time
110k for the Porsche! Didn’t realise they were that cheap considering the Panamera Sport Turismos haven’t dipped below 100 k on autotrader (I check them after I buy lottery tickets).
I know you can’t buy one but why do Porsche charge so little for them? I mean I can’t imaine the panamera costing more to develop.
Idiot disclaimer - I’m not saying 110 grand is a small amount of money by any stretch but a small amount given how highly rated and sought after they are.
I know you can’t buy one but why do Porsche charge so little for them? I mean I can’t imaine the panamera costing more to develop.
Idiot disclaimer - I’m not saying 110 grand is a small amount of money by any stretch but a small amount given how highly rated and sought after they are.
Chestrockwell said:
110k for the Porsche! Didn’t realise they were that cheap considering the Panamera Sport Turismos haven’t dipped below 100 k on autotrader (I check them after I buy lottery tickets).
I know you can’t buy one but why do Porsche charge so little for them? I mean I can’t imaine the panamera costing more to develop.
Idiot disclaimer - I’m not saying 110 grand is a small amount of money by any stretch but a small amount given how highly rated and sought after they are.
Because they know that buyers will just resell them for stupid money anyway no matter what so the market will just choose a random price and then the retail price is useless anyway. So us normal people get excited at the fact that "I CAN AFFORD A NEW GT3 WHEN IT'S RELEASED!!" and then be disappointed because they won't sell you oneI know you can’t buy one but why do Porsche charge so little for them? I mean I can’t imaine the panamera costing more to develop.
Idiot disclaimer - I’m not saying 110 grand is a small amount of money by any stretch but a small amount given how highly rated and sought after they are.
Then they will sell the cars to the same people again for the next limited edition car and then they will resell etc etc etc
mcelliott said:
I’m a bit of a Porsche fan boy but I’ve always loved the the look of the r8 the porker just looks boring. An r8 is my next car for sure.
GT3 boring...what makes yoy a fanboy the cayanne?I know some.people say the 911 looks boring but its not usually porsche fans.
The r8 i dont care for the looks of. Away from porsche lambo ferrari and aston/jag have unique characters that define them. The r8 to me looks still a little odd trying to take the character of their everyday stodge cars and put it in a jumpsuit.
You can argue the same with the cayanne at porsche but that was more trickle down than up
dvshannow said:
mcelliott said:
I’m a bit of a Porsche fan boy but I’ve always loved the the look of the r8 the porker just looks boring. An r8 is my next car for sure.
GT3 boring...what makes yoy a fanboy the cayanne?I know some.people say the 911 looks boring but its not usually porsche fans.
The r8 i dont care for the looks of. Away from porsche lambo ferrari and aston/jag have unique characters that define them. The r8 to me looks still a little odd trying to take the character of their everyday stodge cars and put it in a jumpsuit.
You can argue the same with the cayanne at porsche but that was more trickle down than up
I got hold of a mk1 V10 Plus for a day and much preferred that though I didn’t care much for the handmedown interior.
Quickmoose said:
What the Audi has is drama and theatre....
Sorry what?
Aside from a wonderful NA 5.2 V10, it has nothing for me just derivative, with an A1 face and bland lack of styling and detail from there backwards. To look at inside and out, there is a distinct lack of drama and theatre for me....
The Mark 1 puts this one in the shade with it's subtle curves and blade detail.
I hardly notice new R8s on the road, aside from the fact they are low....
If a 'supercar' is your only car, then I guess youd want the baladness that comes with trying to do everything well... If I ever had £120k disposable I'd have at least 2 cars specialising...one in creature comfort and tech, and the other in actual drama and theatre.... there's no way this RWS 'competes' against a GT3.
Totally different buyers, and that was when and IF you could get a GT3...
Have you driven one? The RWS certainly has drama, and its a very striking car, especially in Nogaro. If you are just basing it on looks, thats personal taste of course, but a lot of "drama and theatre" comes from the drive. Plus the light sequence on startup on the new R8 is awesome. Sorry what?
Aside from a wonderful NA 5.2 V10, it has nothing for me just derivative, with an A1 face and bland lack of styling and detail from there backwards. To look at inside and out, there is a distinct lack of drama and theatre for me....
The Mark 1 puts this one in the shade with it's subtle curves and blade detail.
I hardly notice new R8s on the road, aside from the fact they are low....
If a 'supercar' is your only car, then I guess youd want the baladness that comes with trying to do everything well... If I ever had £120k disposable I'd have at least 2 cars specialising...one in creature comfort and tech, and the other in actual drama and theatre.... there's no way this RWS 'competes' against a GT3.
Totally different buyers, and that was when and IF you could get a GT3...
I'd still have the GT3 though, and I get what you saying about this not really being a comparable car to a GT3, but nothing is really, and the article addresses that point.
Edited by H20DJY on Monday 26th March 14:31
H20DJY said:
Have you driven one? The RWS certainly has drama, and its a very striking car, especially in Nogaro. If you are just basing it on looks, thats personal taste of course, but a lot of "drama and theatre" comes from the drive. Plus the light sequence on startup on the new R8 is awesome.
I'd still have the GT3 though, and I get what you saying about this not really being a comparable car to a GT3, but nothing is really, and the article addresses that point.
Nope, but the drive in most if not all £115k supercars will blow me away, that's kind of a given...and I caveated the 5.2 anyway...so what makes the Audi the go-to choice?.... what it makes it unique, special and desirable? THAT'S the drama and theatre I want... a supercar with wonderful soft plastics? not a priority for me...a supercar that your nan could drive at 8/10ths? nope ...a supercar that borrows and relies on a design language that covers superminis, hot hatches, hire cars, rep mobiles, limos and SUVs? no again...I'd still have the GT3 though, and I get what you saying about this not really being a comparable car to a GT3, but nothing is really, and the article addresses that point.
Any car that stands out because of a colour choice or fancy dancing lights (really?!
) is not a special car IMO....even the 720S' tacky motorised dash display has a modicum of logic.... rapidly flashing and choreographed LEDs should not even be mentioned....RamboLambo said:
Just don't get how on the British Public Roads where you can't "Drift" around a corner at 90 mph a 2WD car is better than a 4WD Audi R8.
Any half decent driver in the 4WD version could keep up with a race driver in the 2WD.
Just pointless unless you want to hoon around a track all day and that doesn't strike me as audi's type of customer in the first place
As for a GT3, what's there to discuss as you can't get one period unless you are royalty. Again another pointless car unless you are one of the chosen few so lets not even give it air time
RWD Vs AWD isn't just about the ability to drift though.....Any half decent driver in the 4WD version could keep up with a race driver in the 2WD.
Just pointless unless you want to hoon around a track all day and that doesn't strike me as audi's type of customer in the first place
As for a GT3, what's there to discuss as you can't get one period unless you are royalty. Again another pointless car unless you are one of the chosen few so lets not even give it air time
You could argue that to a fairly great extent, anything more than a 200bhp diesel is pointless a lot of the time on UK roads.
And great cars are great cars. Them not being available to you doesn't make them pointless. ...plus there are three 991.2 GT3s at my daughter's school. None of the owners are royalty.
Jex said:
Dr G said:
They stopped making manuals because nobody wanted them.
They stopped making manuals because nobody [who could afford a new one] wanted them?A spotty, penniless 18yr old's preference is of no use when deciding the spec of a £100k car. When cars are primarily about performance, the manual gearbox has had it's day.
Quickmoose said:
Nope, but the drive in most if not all £115k supercars will blow me away, that's kind of a given...and I caveated the 5.2 anyway...so what makes the Audi the go-to choice?.... what it makes it unique, special and desirable? THAT'S the drama and theatre I want... a supercar with wonderful soft plastics? not a priority for me...a supercar that your nan could drive at 8/10ths? nope ...a supercar that borrows and relies on a design language that covers superminis, hot hatches, hire cars, rep mobiles, limos and SUVs? no again...
Any car that stands out because of a colour choice or fancy dancing lights (really?!) is not a special car IMO....even the 720S' tacky motorised dash display has a modicum of logic.... rapidly flashing and choreographed LEDs should not even be mentioned....
The same issue as this forum always has.... You haven't driven the car, or, I'm guessing, even sat in the passenger seat of one. I agree that a Mclaren may have more drama, but unless you have loads of experience of truly mad cars, I promise a drive in a RWS R8 will blow you away......Any car that stands out because of a colour choice or fancy dancing lights (really?!
) is not a special car IMO....even the 720S' tacky motorised dash display has a modicum of logic.... rapidly flashing and choreographed LEDs should not even be mentioned....All modern super cars have soft plastics, and for the most part could be driven by your nan at 8/10s. Hell my mum was just fine in a Gallardo at 68, and I reckon she will be at 75 too.
Of course stuff like colour choice and the lights make a difference, its a huge part of what makes cars special and different. The touches.
The only stuff that is going to be "special" enough for you, based on your posts, will cost a hell of lot more than £115k.
This is just the typical nonsense that posted on here, largely by people who have not driven the car in question. The R8 seems to be victim to this especially. Shame, they really are fantastic cars. The RWS is cool as hell, if you ask me.
Edited by H20DJY on Monday 9th April 12:23
H20DJY said:
Quickmoose said:
Nope, but the drive in most if not all £115k supercars will blow me away, that's kind of a given...and I caveated the 5.2 anyway...so what makes the Audi the go-to choice?.... what it makes it unique, special and desirable? THAT'S the drama and theatre I want... a supercar with wonderful soft plastics? not a priority for me...a supercar that your nan could drive at 8/10ths? nope ...a supercar that borrows and relies on a design language that covers superminis, hot hatches, hire cars, rep mobiles, limos and SUVs? no again...
Any car that stands out because of a colour choice or fancy dancing lights (really?!) is not a special car IMO....even the 720S' tacky motorised dash display has a modicum of logic.... rapidly flashing and choreographed LEDs should not even be mentioned....
The same issue as this forum always has.... You haven't driven the car, or, I'm guessing, even sat in the passenger seat of one. I agree that a Mclaren may have more drama, but unless you have loads of experience of truly mad cars, I promise a drive in a RWS R8 will blow you away......Any car that stands out because of a colour choice or fancy dancing lights (really?!
) is not a special car IMO....even the 720S' tacky motorised dash display has a modicum of logic.... rapidly flashing and choreographed LEDs should not even be mentioned....All modern super cars have soft plastics, and for the most part could be driven by your nan at 8/10s. Hell my mum was just fine in a Gallardo at 68, and I reckon she will be at 75 too.
Of course stuff like colour choice and the lights make a difference, its a huge part of what makes cars special and different. The touches.
The only stuff that is going to be "special" enough for you, based on your posts, will cost a hell of lot more than £115k.
This is just the typical nonsense that posted on here, largely by people who have not driven the car in question. The R8 seems to be victim to this especially. Shame, they really are fantastic cars. The RWS is cool as hell, if you ask me.
ok.....
If you're the guy that chooses a £115k car over another based on it's lighting and colour....good for you.
I've no custard photos for proof, but your assumptions on what I've driven, sat in and spent time with do you a disservice.
Character and 'specialness' can be had at £5k, £10k all the way to the very top.
Audi don't have it, IMO, not in the current R8.... a cracking engine mated to feel good quality that can be had in any of their other products.
And it's not 'nonsense' it's a difference of opinion that's all....get used to it.
H20DJY said:
Quickmoose said:
Nope, but the drive in most if not all £115k supercars will blow me away, that's kind of a given...and I caveated the 5.2 anyway...so what makes the Audi the go-to choice?.... what it makes it unique, special and desirable? THAT'S the drama and theatre I want... a supercar with wonderful soft plastics? not a priority for me...a supercar that your nan could drive at 8/10ths? nope ...a supercar that borrows and relies on a design language that covers superminis, hot hatches, hire cars, rep mobiles, limos and SUVs? no again...
Any car that stands out because of a colour choice or fancy dancing lights (really?!) is not a special car IMO....even the 720S' tacky motorised dash display has a modicum of logic.... rapidly flashing and choreographed LEDs should not even be mentioned....
The same issue as this forum always has.... You haven't driven the car, or, I'm guessing, even sat in the passenger seat of one. I agree that a Mclaren may have more drama, but unless you have loads of experience of truly mad cars, I promise a drive in a RWS R8 will blow you away......Any car that stands out because of a colour choice or fancy dancing lights (really?!
) is not a special car IMO....even the 720S' tacky motorised dash display has a modicum of logic.... rapidly flashing and choreographed LEDs should not even be mentioned....All modern super cars have soft plastics, and for the most part could be driven by your nan at 8/10s. Hell my mum was just fine in a Gallardo at 68, and I reckon she will be at 75 too.
Of course stuff like colour choice and the lights make a difference, its a huge part of what makes cars special and different. The touches.
The only stuff that is going to be "special" enough for you, based on your posts, will cost a hell of lot more than £115k.
This is just the typical nonsense that posted on here, largely by people who have not driven the car in question. The R8 seems to be victim to this especially. Shame, they really are fantastic cars. The RWS is cool as hell, if you ask me.
Edited by H20DJY on Monday 9th April 12:23
Quickmoose said:
ok.....
If you're the guy that chooses a £115k car over another based on it's lighting and colour....good for you.
I've no custard photos for proof, but your assumptions on what I've driven, sat in and spent time with do you a disservice.
Character and 'specialness' can be had at £5k, £10k all the way to the very top.
Audi don't have it, IMO, not in the current R8.... a cracking engine mated to feel good quality that can be had in any of their other products.
And it's not 'nonsense' it's a difference of opinion that's all....get used to it.
I didn't assume anything, you have said you haven't driven the RWS?
I totally agree, my daily cost £425 and has bags of character IMO.
Audi don't have it in your opinion, and that's. I just honestly think forming such a sweeping opinion on a car without having a drive of it is strange. I get what you are saying from a design point of view, but when you are driving a car like an R8, a lot of that stuf goes out the window IMO.
A difference of opinion is fine, its what forums are about and how conversations happen. I just find a lot of opinions on here are not backed up with experience. I didn't mean to cause offence, honestly!
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