The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread (Vol 4)
Discussion
jagnet said:
80sMatchbox said:
This. How anyone can see it otherwise is beyond me.
My point is, that if drivers don't allow for errors of judgement in others then they're going to find themselves in more accidents than drivers that do. Yes, the DCW should have been paying attention, should have been driving slower, etc etc but if the lead car hadn't driven in an unexpected manner and had checked their mirrors before and during their manoeuvre then the accident likely wouldn't have happened. Ergo both parties are to blame for that since either driver could've avoided it occurring through their own actions. Too many drivers can't see beyond "I'm in the right" and fail to account for their own part in events; they mistake being technically correct for good driving. Accident numbers would reduce significantly if people took a slightly more defensive attitude and accounted for the fact that people do make mistakes, lose concentration, misjudge appropriate speeds, etc.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. We all make mistakes when driving. Usually those mistakes have no consequences, but sometimes it's only through the actions of other drivers around us that there aren't any. Be proactive in avoiding mistakes from others rather than just waiting for something to happen and then put your hands up and claim that there was nothing that you could have done.
Would you sit in the blind spot of another car on the motorway and claim to be the innocent party when the other driver drifts into you? Would you enter a roundabout at an unusually high speed and then shout "idiot" at drivers who misjudge your speed? Would you give only a glance to the left when turning left from a junction and then wonder why the driver that hit you was overtaking at that point? Or would you mitigate against those circumstances by making slight changes to your own driving?
Going back to the video clip: the driver in front showed a distinct lack of situational awareness; there was no forward planning to their driving; they failed to check their mirrors before, during or after stopping; they invented their own system of priorities by giving way to drivers entering from a side road. Is there anything at all that they could have done differently that would have proactively avoided the accident happening or were they completely innocent bystanders in the wrong place at the wrong time?
te like this and making yourself look like a complete cock!cb1965 said:
You'd be far off better saying you were wrong than writing yet more ste like this and making yourself look like a complete cock!
OK, their driving was beyond reproach and it was entirely the fault of the nasty dashcam driver. Does that make you feel better? Black and white, never shades of grey.te like this and making yourself look like a complete cock!jagnet said:
cb1965 said:
You'd be far off better saying you were wrong than writing yet more ste like this and making yourself look like a complete cock!
OK, their driving was beyond reproach and it was entirely the fault of the nasty dashcam driver. Does that make you feel better? Black and white, never shades of grey.te like this and making yourself look like a complete cock!saaby93 said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
brilliant
Anyone else getting immune to these now?
cb1965 said:
jagnet said:
cb1965 said:
You'd be far off better saying you were wrong than writing yet more ste like this and making yourself look like a complete cock!
OK, their driving was beyond reproach and it was entirely the fault of the nasty dashcam driver. Does that make you feel better? Black and white, never shades of grey.te like this and making yourself look like a complete cock!Solocle said:
saaby93 said:
As it was so obvious and theres a duty to avoid a collision in the HC that makes it the cam cars 100% fault
Surely there's a bit more respect for people making mistakes in PH?
Otherwise we're all going to end up running snotters
Plausible deniability.Surely there's a bit more respect for people making mistakes in PH?
Otherwise we're all going to end up running snotters
Cammer is either stupid, incompetent or wanted footage for youtube. Yaris-boy is probably getting close to losing his licence on medical grounds, but the cammer is a liability, too
Asdad said:
I can see where you are coming from Cb1965, but completely agree with Jagnet. If you anchor up in the middle of the road without good reason according to the Highway Code, you are responsible for the outcome. I would be surprised if the insurance companies, on seeing that footage would not call it 50/50.
But the c-max did not "anchor up" for no good reason. Edited by FWIW on Tuesday 22 January 11:38
FWIW said:
Asdad said:
I havent seen anything in the Highway code suggesting you should stop to let cars out of side roads. Have I missed it?
It's irrelevant - DCW would have crashed whatever the reason for stopping. Can't believe we're even discussing this.FWIW said:
Absolutely reasonable for C-Max to have stopped...
If the cars on the other side of the junction were stationary, except that neither vehicle has stopped and neither have their brake lights on at that point. Both are moving forward creating room for the car ahead to follow and move past the junction.Your still is the moment the Astra? on the other side of the junction moves out to pass the parked cars, well before the CMAX comes to a halt half way across.
jagnet said:
FWIW said:
Absolutely reasonable for C-Max to have stopped...
If the cars on the other side of the junction were stationary, except that neither vehicle has stopped and neither have their brake lights on at that point. Both are moving forward creating room for the car ahead to follow and move past the junction.Your still is the moment the Astra? on the other side of the junction moves out to pass the parked cars, well before the CMAX comes to a halt half way across.
trackdemon said:
What does it matter? The road is clearly pretty busy, they're going slow. DCW should have stopped, easily; but they didn't because they weren't paying attention. To argue anything to the contrary is either being deliberately obtuse or - more worryingly - you actually believe it was the C-Max's fault...
Exactly...and yes, he clearly does believe it was the C-Max's fault. They walk among us. trackdemon said:
What does it matter? The road is clearly pretty busy, they're going slow. DCW should have stopped, easily; but they didn't because they weren't paying attention. To argue anything to the contrary is either being deliberately obtuse or - more worryingly - you actually believe it was the C-Max's fault...
I've said nothing to suggest that it wasn't the responsibility of the DCW to stop in time. My point, for the umpteenth time, is that drivers not paying attention, driving too close and misjudging speeds is so common a cause of accidents that drivers should account for it in their decision making, avoid unexpected manoeuvres and be paying attention to the cars behind as well as in front and help to mitigate the errors of others.I place blame on the driver of the CMAX because they failed to do so. They failed to do basic mirror checks as any competent driver would do, they failed to plan ahead, they failed to account for other drivers being on autopilot and they made sudden reactionary decisions.
It does not mean that the DCW is any less culpable for not paying attention, rather that either driver could have avoided that accident through their own decisions and actions, therefore both drivers must bear some responsibility for it happening.
But then this is the dashcam thread, where longstanding tradition has it that to question the driving of one party is to completely exonerate the other. Or perhaps, in reality, the culpability of one is so beyond question that it requires little to no discussion but of greater interest is the driving of the other.
This C-Max arguing is becoming rather tedious. Can you just agree to disagree and move on please gentlemen?
saaby93 said:
dxg said:
Laurel Green said:
One of the s
ttiest collections yet. Not one of those deserved a clip, and the majority were caused or exaggerated by the dcw...I think we've passed peak dashcam...
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