RE: Toyota Yaris GRMN vs Mini Cooper S Works 210

[AdamV12AMR]

daemon said:

The bonnet includes the holes for the headlights, so that pic is taken down through one of the holes, of the engine

Ahhh - now I see it. Thank you!

[dandarez]

I would simply buy the 'proper' MINI JCW - the one as tested here worked out at over £28k! ffs.

The 'JCW' proper starts at £4k below this, a 'modded' S in effect. WHY would you have a 'S' and add extras to reach £4k beyond a 'real' JCW?

(is there such a thing as MINI Cooper S John Cooper Works? It's either a MINI Cooper S or a MINI John Cooper Works. Don't know why hacks always say MINI Cooper S JCW, no such thing to my knowledge.)

I have (and love!) my MINI JCW R56. I have had others. I have been in R53s and MINI GPs (both) and in the latest JCW and it 'goes' but I just don't like the shape of any of the new (2 litre) cars, but that's just my preference.
My 1.6 turbo JCW has enough power, and (imo) looks far better. Fuel economy is where it sucks though!

[Limpet]

dandarez said:

I would simply buy the 'proper' MINI JCW - the one as tested here worked out at over £28k! ffs.

The 'JCW' proper starts at £4k below this, a 'modded' S in effect. WHY would you have a 'S' and add extras to reach £4k beyond a 'real' JCW?
!

Because a lot of reviews I've read reckon the Works 210 is a better drive than the JCW, and the real sweet spot of the range.

Autocar for one (but there are quite a few others if you look around)

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mini/cooper-s...

[Leins]

dandarez said:

(is there such a thing as MINI Cooper S John Cooper Works? It's either a MINI Cooper S or a MINI John Cooper Works. Don't know why hacks always say MINI Cooper S JCW, no such thing to my knowledge.)

Not sure about current models, but for the R53 GP:

[Usget]

Absolutely zero want for the Mini, but I'd love a go in the Yaris. The F56 does absolutely nothing for me, I think they look like Austin Maxis.

[FN2TypeR]

Perhaps I'm way off of the mark in terms of what I want or like from a small fast hatchback but I wouldn't walk past a Peugeot 208gti (Peugeot Sport) or Ford Fiesta ST to get to either of these.

[HighwayStar]

mikey P 500 said:

As the article suggests as good as GRMN may be, why did they look at the Toyota line up of cars and pick the Yaris as their first project? Maybe they wanted a bigger challenge but seems so strange they didn't start with the gt86. Not suprised to read mini is the better all round hot hatch and it was basically designed to be one from the off.

Basically the Yaris is the car the are using in the WRC... and it's been doing very well.



http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/about-wrc/manufacturers/...

[Matt Bird]

T S Magnum said:

I'm biased but think the Audi S1 should also be considered at that segment and price point. 230bhp and 4wd, Audi build quality, racing pedigree, relative rarity (not as much as the Yaris admittedly).

That's a good point! Do like an S1. Will try and get something sorted soon.

[ghiblicup]

Having had a R56 JCW for 4 years and not liking the F56 JCW (mainly steering feel) I was at a loss as to what to replace it with. Until this popped up. Had 21 miles on the clock and was like new. 2 months and 2000 miles in and I still can’t stop just popping out for a quick blast. The speed it can carry in and out of a corner is nothing short of a miracle and I still haven’t had a complete play with the set up. In fact I haven’t driven the GT4 since I got it! ( though that would mainly be the st weather)

[daemon]

dandarez said:

I would simply buy the 'proper' MINI JCW - the one as tested here worked out at over £28k! ffs.

The 'JCW' proper starts at £4k below this, a 'modded' S in effect. WHY would you have a 'S' and add extras to reach £4k beyond a 'real' JCW?

I think this 210 has been heavily spec'd as its a press car. I see its got both the Chilli packs and Tech packs which add £4,700 on their own.

Having said that, most JCWs will end up with +£4,000 of options on them anyway.

The whole thing is a moot point anyway - you cant buy a Cooper S Works 210 anymore new as they've stopped making them, nor can you add the exhaust to the Cooper S as it breaches regulations as of Nov 2017.

[loveice]

dukebox9reg said:

T S Magnum said:

I'm biased but think the Audi S1 should also be considered at that segment and price point. 230bhp and 4wd, Audi build quality, racing pedigree, relative rarity (not as much as the Yaris admittedly).

Perceived build quality. VW group for many years are quite low on various surveys etc. Yaris would most likely last a lot longer. Have to admit though, interior doesn't do it for me on the Yaris.

Quality VS Reliability...

[xjay1337]

I'd have an Audi S1 over either of those.

However out of the two I'd choose the Mini.

Nothing a few small tweaks on the Mini couldn't fix to make it more track ready than the Toyota. And buying it without options, or a pre reg to save and get a few extra options, leaves £7k of additional mods.

£7k for reference would be enough to upgrade the brakes, suspension, diff, intercooler, exhaust, intake and remap, and get some fancy bucket seats...and pay for a couple of trackdays.....

[daydotz]

Due to emissions you can't buy the works tuning pack or even the JCW currently

[Tim bo]

Ryvita said:

Gee Arr Emm Enn? German? Garmin? Gurrmun? (Dave) Gorman?

Yes I known what it's supposed to stand for but I just can't make it come out that way in my head as I read prose... I cannot think of a more awkward automotive brand naming.

Agreed completely.

I contorted it and manipulated it and tortured it but just could not get it to sound right. Then gave up and admired the Mini instead. Even 'Works 210' flows and is slightly alliterative.

Toyota marketing folk who worked on this should be sacked and replaced pronto.

[dunnoreally]

For me, the current Mini is probably the ugliest mass-production car on sale today. I think that body kit only make it even worse, too. Wouldn't stop me buying one if it drove well enough, mind.

I still fancy the Yaris more, though, mostly because they went with the supercharger. I'll stand by anyone trying to give us a bit of extra variety.

[rs mexico]

Could Toyota put this engine in the GT86.

[BFleming]

spikyone said:

Almost £8.5k of options on a £20k car was more of an eye-opener for me.

Same. The old manufacturer's trick of putting a fully loaded car on the press fleet. It'll get ragged to within an inch of its life, gain favourable reviews, then BMW/Mini will sell it on less the VAT after 6 months. Still a lot of money though.
As most cars are bought on finance these days, some funded as company cars, I predict very few will have this number of (overpriced/unnecessary) options added. It's discounted M140i money ffs.

[steve-5snwi]

daydotz said:

Due to emissions you can't buy the works tuning pack or even the JCW currently

You can buy the tuning kit, you just cannot buy it for cars registered after Nov 2017

[s m]

One thing that does intrigue me slightly about all the stats quoted in these articles and it's just a small point, especially after reading all the confusion over the Car. & Driver U.S. Mag times for the Boxster in the other thread yesterday

Are they manufacturer figures or from your own testing?

I know you are linked in closely with Autocar but it seems strange you quote 0-62MPH times when most Uk mags use 0-60 as a measure.

Indeed, Autocar who do pretty much the most comprehensive UK mag tests with actual timings use 0-60mph as their measure, not 0-100kmh ( or 0-62 mph )
They achieved 0-60mph in 6.4 seconds last week
They also tested the Mini Works 210 back in December and got. 7.2 to 60mph.
The ordinary Cooper S was tested a few years back and was timed at 6.9 to 60mph

Just wondered where your quoted times originate from for these articles

[cerb4.5lee]

dunnoreally said:

For me, the current Mini is probably the ugliest mass-production car on sale today. I think that body kit only make it even worse, too. Wouldn't stop me buying one if it drove well enough, mind.

I really struggle with the way my F56 Cooper S looks and I find it pretty ghastly to look at from some angles. However I do love the interior and that is what I see the most, and it is a really good thing to drive.

I'm shocked at how much I like the car and its really got under my skin...especially considering that its not that fast or good to look at.