RE: Porsche 919 Evo at Spa: Time For Coffee
Discussion
Fetthobler said:
blearyeyedboy said:
An interesting revival of the Formula Free concept.
But would a totally regulation-free car look more like a single seater? Would it have a closed cockpit?
It's an intriguing thought.
This question has been raised to Adrian Newey some years back. He came up with the Red Bull X1, if there wouldn't be any regulations this is how a racing car would look like for him. I remember reading an article about this car with Neweys comments. According to him, the tires needs to be covered and the cockpit too. Furthermore he installed a turbocharged engine and a fan that is vacuuming the air under the car to allow it to generate impressive G's even on tight, slow corners. On Gran Turismo it was for me almost impossible to drive, even Sebastian Vettel struggled, I remember a video. But would a totally regulation-free car look more like a single seater? Would it have a closed cockpit?
It's an intriguing thought.
A regulation free racing series would be mental!
Rawwr said:
Brilliant. Another feature on a Porsche you can't walk into a dealer and buy. Ridiculous.
I don't want to or can't afford to buy 99% of the cars featured by PH. Surely reading about an amazing modified racing car is more interesting than reading about a Suzuki Swift you don't want or a 720S you'll never afford?Leithen said:
I'd rather they spent the money supporting one or more privateers running their 919's at Le Mans.
Im guessing the cost would be pretty much the same to running the factory team, especially since you'd want to stay competitive with Toyota, thus also needing a big development budget. These hybrid machines are much more complex then the pure ICE LMP1L/LMP2 cars the privateer teams deal with, and running them effectively requires a factory budget.RobM77 said:
Rawwr said:
Brilliant. Another feature on a Porsche you can't walk into a dealer and buy. Ridiculous.
I don't want to or can't afford to buy 99% of the cars featured by PH. Surely reading about an amazing modified racing car is more interesting than reading about a Suzuki Swift you don't want or a 720S you'll never afford?
RobM77 said:
I really want to see this thing lap the Nordschleife!
Me too! You can beard all you like about derestricting it, compounds, not in a race etc, but as a petrolhead, the thought of a car/Porsche this sexy and fast going round the ring at terrifying speed with a driver putting his balls on the line is very exciting.Looks incredibly fast round spa whilst at the same time beautifully undramatic; it just seemed to go where he pointed it. Well done Porsche!
Krikkit said:
Aids0G said:
Love the idea of this and good on Porsche for exploring the potential of their car, hope they go for many more records!
Hopefully somebody can enlighten me as to why there is a need in an unlimited sense outside of regs, to use a 2.0/1.6 turbo v4/6 when say a unrestricted NASCAR engine will produce 850hp pretty reliably out of the box? is it a weight issue or power delivery characteristics or even integration with MGU's etc?
Thanks
Outside the regs it's just packaging. In this case though it wouldn't be worth completely re-engineering the whole car to fit a few more hp.Hopefully somebody can enlighten me as to why there is a need in an unlimited sense outside of regs, to use a 2.0/1.6 turbo v4/6 when say a unrestricted NASCAR engine will produce 850hp pretty reliably out of the box? is it a weight issue or power delivery characteristics or even integration with MGU's etc?
Thanks
Within the regs it's about energy limits per lap and per second, hence choosing an efficient powerplant (relatively) and a potent hybrid system with a big focus on regeneration.
I Wonder if the energy limits were relaxed, regulations simplified and costs reduced more manufactures would come back to LMP1?
SturdyHSV said:
Fetthobler said:
blearyeyedboy said:
An interesting revival of the Formula Free concept.
But would a totally regulation-free car look more like a single seater? Would it have a closed cockpit?
It's an intriguing thought.
This question has been raised to Adrian Newey some years back. He came up with the Red Bull X1, if there wouldn't be any regulations this is how a racing car would look like for him. I remember reading an article about this car with Neweys comments. According to him, the tires needs to be covered and the cockpit too. Furthermore he installed a turbocharged engine and a fan that is vacuuming the air under the car to allow it to generate impressive G's even on tight, slow corners. On Gran Turismo it was for me almost impossible to drive, even Sebastian Vettel struggled, I remember a video. But would a totally regulation-free car look more like a single seater? Would it have a closed cockpit?
It's an intriguing thought.
A regulation free racing series would be mental!
Aids0G said:
Thank you for that, does make sense and of course for some very interesting engine tech.
I Wonder if the energy limits were relaxed, regulations simplified and costs reduced more manufactures would come back to LMP1?
Hard to say, cost reduction would mean that advanced hybrid tech would no longer be needed to be competitive, which in turn would dramaticly lower the marketing value. Toyota is in it (at least partially) to market its hybrid tech, how bad would it look for them if they get beaten by a non-hybrid BMW (or whatever) running on half the funding?I Wonder if the energy limits were relaxed, regulations simplified and costs reduced more manufactures would come back to LMP1?
LMP1 is in this weird spot right now where dropping the hybrid tech requirement would probably make toyota walk as some other brands flood into what is now essentially current LMP1L, which may or may not drive all the privateers back to LMP2. On the other hand, LMP1 might not have the name-recognition to reinvent itself as old school ICE-only (seeing how FE is gaining ground, and even F1 has moved to advanced hybrid), and trying to do so could kill it all entirely.
Even if budget are slashed dramaticly, running a prototype racing outfit is going to take serious money, and given how all manufacturers these days are beholden to share-holders, it is difficult to see such a program take shape, there is very little marketing value in the old school stuff these days, and "because racecar" is for privateers, not shareholders
Beating lap records left, right & centre is definitely more an interesting way of advertising your product than a news paper advert about how cheap your business lease deals are.
And they’re keeping clearly talented engineers happy & probably gaining loads of data as well as ideas for the race & road car devisions.
And they’re keeping clearly talented engineers happy & probably gaining loads of data as well as ideas for the race & road car devisions.
Sandpit Steve said:
Now, have they got a driver with the balls to go for Bellof’s ‘ring record?
Ex 919 driving Champion, current Porsche VLN driver, multiple N24 winner and Pikes Peak regular Romain Dumas is still on their books. So yes. Yes they have. Multiple N24 winner and 919 driving WEC Champion Marc Lieb runs part of their customer racing operation as well and is similarly qualified. Basically - if they want it then they have the drivers as well as the car. Will probably have to take the scenic route around the outside of the Karussel though.Dale487 said:
Beating lap records left, right & centre is definitely more an interesting way of advertising your product than a news paper advert about how cheap your business lease deals are.
And they’re keeping clearly talented engineers happy & probably gaining loads of data as well as ideas for the race & road car devisions.
And they’re keeping clearly talented engineers happy & probably gaining loads of data as well as ideas for the race & road car devisions.
I like Porsche PR. They often just put forward a chief engineer to answer questions and are refreshingly void of bulls
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