RE: Ford Fiesta ST: Spotted

[Dav72D]

I've recently purchased a 2017 ST3 and had it remapped at Collins Performance in Cheshire.... Now about 220bhp.
Such good fun to drive and handles like it's on rails.

[culpz]

white_goodman said:

Fair enough, but it's not a like-for-like comparison. If the Clio was a 2014 and 4k cheaper then that would be interesting...Most people looking for a four year or newer hot hatch, aren't going to be buying a 10 year old one. Why stop there. You could probably pick up a decent 15 year old 182 for 2k and save 7k over the Fiesta. A little down on power but you could pick up a 2014 Swift Sport for 6k.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

I agree with the sentiment though. All great cars.

I don't think it was meant to be like-for-like though. Simply a comparison of VFM. These Fiesta's still have a bit of depreciating left in them.

The Clio offers a similar driving experience and power, albeit more old-school and raw/hardcore. The Swift is more of a warm-hatch.

[culpz]

blade7 said:

culpz said:

His point is that you can get a similar performance hatchback, that's had nothing but praise from it's launch, for several grand cheaper.

When all else fails, use a moody smiley

[culpz]

towelie said:

Nothing but praise? A clio 200?

As someone who owned a clio 200 full fat with cup pack 3.5 years ago I really didn’t get on with it. For overtaking it was frustrating to say the least, dawdlers doing 40-45 were a struggle. Right in between 2nd and 3rd gear. Stay in 3rd an you’re not on Cam and you get mugged off by 2 litre diesels, stay in 2nd and you’re revving the **** out of it.

Yes, yes it was naturally aspirated and ‘pure’, but actually the engine was like a sewing machine with less torque.

I swapped to a mk7 st much better car in every metric(apart from the shocking brakes on the st). The st would murder it down a B road.
I’m on my second st now, but this time mp215. I’m honestly struggling to find an everyday car that ticks all the boxes as well as the st does.

Great value for money, but it does come with the ‘gary’ image

So because you didn't get on with it, they aren't widely praised? It was highly regarded as one of the best hot hatches of it's time, regardless of what you thought of it.

I can understand the rest of what you're saying, but that doesn't change how it was overall perceived. I probably prefer turbos these day, but the Clio's still a great car.

[J4CKO]

culpz said:

white_goodman said:

Fair enough, but it's not a like-for-like comparison. If the Clio was a 2014 and 4k cheaper then that would be interesting...Most people looking for a four year or newer hot hatch, aren't going to be buying a 10 year old one. Why stop there. You could probably pick up a decent 15 year old 182 for 2k and save 7k over the Fiesta. A little down on power but you could pick up a 2014 Swift Sport for 6k.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

I agree with the sentiment though. All great cars.

I don't think it was meant to be like-for-like though. Simply a comparison of VFM. These Fiesta's still have a bit of depreciating left in them.

The Clio offers a similar driving experience and power, albeit more old-school and raw/hardcore. The Swift is more of a warm-hatch.

15 year old Renault, what could possibly go wrong ?

I am done with old bangers, its just one thing after another, mainly as, in a lot of cases, it isnt the age per se, it is catching up with someone elses neglect, sure there are perfect enthusiast cars out there, even just fairly well looked after examples, but by and large, you will end up needing tyres, brakes, cam belt and various other rectification.

Having driven a 182 I was nonplussed, was coming from a Turbo Saab and it felt gutless, despite alledgedly being more powerful, felt like ti was just getting going, then you hot the rev limiter, think they are ok if you were coming from say a Saxo VTR but Turbo back to (Small) NA felt like switching from beer to shandy, suspect would be better with a period of acclimatization but based on a test drive, back to back, despite being certain I was getting one left me dissapointed, The ST has that missing gunt, even though it isnt that much faster on paper.

Going to need to get something as my TT is poorly, will probably be an late, low mile ST, was looking at M140's but dont think they will be massively more fun and would have to get finance, appreciate they are a lot faster but not sure I need anything that rapid, was talking to the young lad in the local MOT place, owners son who has a 135i that replaced a Fiat 500 Abarth and he is getting rid of the BMW to get another, maybe there is something in this "Fun" thng ?

[culpz]

J4CKO said:

15 year old Renault, what could possibly go wrong ?

I am done with old bangers, its just one thing after another, mainly as, in a lot of cases, it isnt the age per se, it is catching up with someone elses neglect, sure there are perfect enthusiast cars out there, even just fairly well looked after examples, but by and large, you will end up needing tyres, brakes, cam belt and various other rectification.

Having driven a 182 I was nonplussed, was coming from a Turbo Saab and it felt gutless, despite alledgedly being more powerful, felt like ti was just getting going, then you hot the rev limiter, think they are ok if you were coming from say a Saxo VTR but Turbo back to (Small) NA felt like switching from beer to shandy, suspect would be better with a period of acclimatization but based on a test drive, back to back, despite being certain I was getting one left me dissapointed, The ST has that missing gunt, even though it isnt that much faster on paper.

Going to need to get something as my TT is poorly, will probably be an late, low mile ST, was looking at M140's but dont think they will be massively more fun and would have to get finance, appreciate they are a lot faster but not sure I need anything that rapid, was talking to the young lad in the local MOT place, owners son who has a 135i that replaced a Fiat 500 Abarth and he is getting rid of the BMW to get another, maybe there is something in this "Fun" thng ?

I was referring to the 2009 Clio 200, so around 9 years old. It was the other poster that brought up the 182.

Funnily enough, i was going to go and buy a cheap Clio 172/182, but i'm not great with a spanner and didn't want to be constantly fault finding niggly issues, regardless of how cheap they may be to fix. I looked at buying a MK7 Fiesta ST but didn't fancy getting a bank loan to get one.

I was waiting for the new MK8 Fiesta ST to be released, as if they did some cheap leases on them, i'd probably get one. It was a bit late for me and i couldn't stand to keep my boring A4 any longer. I'd just buy one if i were you. One of the most fun modern cars i've probably ever driven.

I've now got a Scirocco 2.0 TSI GT DSG. I really love it. It's not got the fun of a proper hot-hatch, but it's great for my commute and still entertaining.

[J4CKO]

culpz said:

J4CKO said:

15 year old Renault, what could possibly go wrong ?

I am done with old bangers, its just one thing after another, mainly as, in a lot of cases, it isnt the age per se, it is catching up with someone elses neglect, sure there are perfect enthusiast cars out there, even just fairly well looked after examples, but by and large, you will end up needing tyres, brakes, cam belt and various other rectification.

Having driven a 182 I was nonplussed, was coming from a Turbo Saab and it felt gutless, despite alledgedly being more powerful, felt like ti was just getting going, then you hot the rev limiter, think they are ok if you were coming from say a Saxo VTR but Turbo back to (Small) NA felt like switching from beer to shandy, suspect would be better with a period of acclimatization but based on a test drive, back to back, despite being certain I was getting one left me dissapointed, The ST has that missing gunt, even though it isnt that much faster on paper.

Going to need to get something as my TT is poorly, will probably be an late, low mile ST, was looking at M140's but dont think they will be massively more fun and would have to get finance, appreciate they are a lot faster but not sure I need anything that rapid, was talking to the young lad in the local MOT place, owners son who has a 135i that replaced a Fiat 500 Abarth and he is getting rid of the BMW to get another, maybe there is something in this "Fun" thng ?

I was referring to the 2009 Clio 200, so around 9 years old. It was the other poster that brought up the 182.

Funnily enough, i was going to go and buy a cheap Clio 172/182, but i'm not great with a spanner and didn't want to be constantly fault finding niggly issues, regardless of how cheap they may be to fix. I looked at buying a MK7 Fiesta ST but didn't fancy getting a bank loan to get one.

I was waiting for the new MK8 Fiesta ST to be released, as if they did some cheap leases on them, i'd probably get one. It was a bit late for me and i couldn't stand to keep my boring A4 any longer. I'd just buy one if i were you. One of the most fun modern cars i've probably ever driven.

I've now got a Scirocco 2.0 TSI GT DSG. I really love it. It's not got the fun of a proper hot-hatch, but it's great for my commute and still entertaining.

Ah ok, noted,

Scirocco is on my list, had one for a couple of weeks I was selling for a mate, enjoyed it despite it being a diesel, really nice car and the diesel engine was fine.

I can spend maybe up to 15, any more and I need a loan/finance, my problem with loans is the low interest, not the percentage rate, just that once I have something I have low interest in paying the loan back and start resenting it.

[culpz]

J4CKO said:

Ah ok, noted,

Scirocco is on my list, had one for a couple of weeks I was selling for a mate, enjoyed it despite it being a diesel, really nice car and the diesel engine was fine.

I can spend maybe up to 15, any more and I need a loan/finance, my problem with loans is the low interest, not the percentage rate, just that once I have something I have low interest in paying the loan back and start resenting it.

This is my second one now. I really missed my first one and i did a few modifications to it (see Garage description) but it just lacked in the engine department. If you're gonna get one, it has to be either the 2.0 TSI or just go for the R. They're actually quite a bargain now.

There's definitely fun to be had out of them, but the Fiesta will be much more of a laugh. The Scirocco will be better at the stuff in between though. However, If you didn't think much of a Clio 182, i'm really not sure the ST is for you, unless it was simply and purely due to the lack of turbo punch.

Yeah, that's one of the reasons why i've never got a loan so far. I've considered one multiple times but never committed to it.

[J4CKO]

culpz said:

J4CKO said:

Ah ok, noted,

Scirocco is on my list, had one for a couple of weeks I was selling for a mate, enjoyed it despite it being a diesel, really nice car and the diesel engine was fine.

I can spend maybe up to 15, any more and I need a loan/finance, my problem with loans is the low interest, not the percentage rate, just that once I have something I have low interest in paying the loan back and start resenting it.

This is my second one now. I really missed my first one and i did a few modifications to it (see Garage description) but it just lacked in the engine department. If you're gonna get one, it has to be either the 2.0 TSI or just go for the R. They're actually quite a bargain now.

There's definitely fun to be had out of them, but the Fiesta will be much more of a laugh. The Scirocco will be better at the stuff in between though. However, If you didn't think much of a Clio 182, i'm really not sure the ST is for you, unless it was simply and purely due to the lack of turbo punch.

Yeah, that's one of the reasons why i've never got a loan so far. I've considered one multiple times but never committed to it.

Yeah, it was the lack of any kind of low down grunt with the Clio, it just didnt seem very quick, the Saab I had was heavier and apparently down on power by 30 ish bhp but felt quicker, ST feels ok power wise but would do a few bits or just get a Mountune one, think I will nick my sons one for a few more drives before I go looking.

I am avoiding older cars but perhaps going from one extrme to the other

[dieseluser07]

Dav72D said:

I've recently purchased a 2017 ST3 and had it remapped at Collins Performance in Cheshire.... Now about 220bhp.
Such good fun to drive and handles like it's on rails.

Whats the collins performance map like in comparison? Does it feel 'rapid' now or still like a warm hatchback.

[culpz]

J4CKO said:

Yeah, it was the lack of any kind of low down grunt with the Clio, it just didnt seem very quick, the Saab I had was heavier and apparently down on power by 30 ish bhp but felt quicker, ST feels ok power wise but would do a few bits or just get a Mountune one, think I will nick my sons one for a few more drives before I go looking.

I am avoiding older cars but perhaps going from one extrme to the other

Never driven one with the MP215 kit on it. The standard car seemed more than powerful enough though. On the test drive, we were going through an industrial estate and a Golf GTD came up next to us. Despite that diesel torque, the little Fiesta left it for dead. I was really quite surprised actually.

I'm very used to turbo power now and probably prefer it, so i'd probably have a Fiesta ST over a Clio. Still great cars, just a bit more usable.

What about a Megane 250/265?

[dieseluser07]

culpz said:

J4CKO said:

Yeah, it was the lack of any kind of low down grunt with the Clio, it just didnt seem very quick, the Saab I had was heavier and apparently down on power by 30 ish bhp but felt quicker, ST feels ok power wise but would do a few bits or just get a Mountune one, think I will nick my sons one for a few more drives before I go looking.

I am avoiding older cars but perhaps going from one extrme to the other

Never driven one with the MP215 kit on it. The standard car seemed more than powerful enough though. On the test drive, we were going through an industrial estate and a Golf GTD came up next to us. Despite that diesel torque, the little Fiesta left it for dead. I was really quite surprised actually.

I'm very used to turbo power now and probably prefer it, so i'd probably have a Fiesta ST over a Clio. Still great cars, just a bit more usable.

What about a Megane 250/265?

Cant have been trying if you left it for dead, unless you went over 60mphish.

[culpz]

dieseluser07 said:

Cant have been trying if you left it for dead, unless you went over 60mphish.

Nope, he definitely went for it. It was a MK6 GTD btw. The Fiesta is lighter and more powerful. Why wouldn't it get away?

[dieseluser07]

culpz said:

dieseluser07 said:

Cant have been trying if you left it for dead, unless you went over 60mphish.

Nope, he definitely went for it. It was a MK6 GTD btw. The Fiesta is lighter and more powerful. Why wouldn't it get away?

Because the golf gtd will be packing lots of torque so between say 30-50 there wouldent be much in it, to pull away a lot below 60 mph theres got to be a HUGE power difference.

[culpz]

dieseluser07 said:

culpz said:

dieseluser07 said:

Cant have been trying if you left it for dead, unless you went over 60mphish.

Nope, he definitely went for it. It was a MK6 GTD btw. The Fiesta is lighter and more powerful. Why wouldn't it get away?

Because the golf gtd will be packing lots of torque so between say 30-50 there wouldent be much in it, to pull away a lot below 60 mph theres got to be a HUGE power difference.

It was only really a quick blip to around 40 or so. Either way, he really didn't get a look in. Maybe he just let off after a bit and gave up. I could have simply got the better start. Who knows.

[WCZ]

dieseluser07 said:

Cant have been trying if you left it for dead, unless you went over 60mphish.

yeah, 168bhp and 1404kg (120bhp/tonne)

vs

215bhp and 1088kg (199bhp/tonne)

I don't see why not

[J4CKO]

Saw a video of a tuned one pulling away from an A45.

[dieseluser07]

WCZ said:

dieseluser07 said:

Cant have been trying if you left it for dead, unless you went over 60mphish.

yeah, 168bhp and 1404kg (120bhp/tonne)

vs

215bhp and 1088kg (199bhp/tonne)

I don't see why not

Youve completely oversighted the torque figure which could make a huge difference.

[dieseluser07]

J4CKO said:

Saw a video of a tuned one pulling away from an A45.

Amg?

There is plenty of 300bhp modified examples that can apparently do that.

[culpz]

dieseluser07 said:

WCZ said:

dieseluser07 said:

Cant have been trying if you left it for dead, unless you went over 60mphish.

yeah, 168bhp and 1404kg (120bhp/tonne)

vs

215bhp and 1088kg (199bhp/tonne)

I don't see why not

Youve completely oversighted the torque figure which could make a huge difference.

Yet It didn't seem to give the driver of the GTD much of an advantage at all, as per my experience above.