RE: Ford Fiesta ST: Spotted

[dieseluser07]

culpz said:

dieseluser07 said:

WCZ said:

dieseluser07 said:

Cant have been trying if you left it for dead, unless you went over 60mphish.

yeah, 168bhp and 1404kg (120bhp/tonne)

vs

215bhp and 1088kg (199bhp/tonne)

I don't see why not

Youve completely oversighted the torque figure which could make a huge difference.

Yet It didn't seem to give the driver of the GTD much of an advantage at all, as per my experience above.

Because he clearly wasent trying, or he was well out of the typical torque band of a diesel and was revving it to 4500 where there is no power.

I have a fiesta st and it is quick yes but up to 50mph there is no way you would pull away that quick from any warmish hatchback unless they werent trying, 60 onwards then yeh probably.

[culpz]

dieseluser07 said:

culpz said:

dieseluser07 said:

WCZ said:

dieseluser07 said:

Cant have been trying if you left it for dead, unless you went over 60mphish.

yeah, 168bhp and 1404kg (120bhp/tonne)

vs

215bhp and 1088kg (199bhp/tonne)

I don't see why not

Youve completely oversighted the torque figure which could make a huge difference.

Yet It didn't seem to give the driver of the GTD much of an advantage at all, as per my experience above.

Because he clearly wasent trying, or he was well out of the typical torque band of a diesel and was revving it to 4500 where there is no power.

I have a fiesta st and it is quick yes but up to 50mph there is no way you would pull away that quick from any warmish hatchback unless they werent trying, 60 onwards then yeh probably.

Trust me, he was. I can agree that there are other varying factors that could have swayed it, but he was very much left behind fairly comfortably.

I feel like i'm trying to convince you that Santa is real here. I don't see why it's so difficult to believe.

[dieseluser07]

culpz said:

dieseluser07 said:

culpz said:

dieseluser07 said:

WCZ said:

dieseluser07 said:

Cant have been trying if you left it for dead, unless you went over 60mphish.

yeah, 168bhp and 1404kg (120bhp/tonne)

vs

215bhp and 1088kg (199bhp/tonne)

I don't see why not

Youve completely oversighted the torque figure which could make a huge difference.

Yet It didn't seem to give the driver of the GTD much of an advantage at all, as per my experience above.

Because he clearly wasent trying, or he was well out of the typical torque band of a diesel and was revving it to 4500 where there is no power.

I have a fiesta st and it is quick yes but up to 50mph there is no way you would pull away that quick from any warmish hatchback unless they werent trying, 60 onwards then yeh probably.

Trust me, he was. I can agree that there are other varying factors that could have swayed it, but he was very much left behind fairly comfortably.

I feel like i'm trying to convince you that Santa is real here. I don't see why it's so difficult to believe.

Difficult to believe as i own a mountuned fiesta st 215bhp, im pretty confident in how fast the car is against other cars.

[culpz]

dieseluser07 said:

culpz said:

dieseluser07 said:

culpz said:

dieseluser07 said:

WCZ said:

dieseluser07 said:

Cant have been trying if you left it for dead, unless you went over 60mphish.

yeah, 168bhp and 1404kg (120bhp/tonne)

vs

215bhp and 1088kg (199bhp/tonne)

I don't see why not

Youve completely oversighted the torque figure which could make a huge difference.

Yet It didn't seem to give the driver of the GTD much of an advantage at all, as per my experience above.

Because he clearly wasent trying, or he was well out of the typical torque band of a diesel and was revving it to 4500 where there is no power.

I have a fiesta st and it is quick yes but up to 50mph there is no way you would pull away that quick from any warmish hatchback unless they werent trying, 60 onwards then yeh probably.

Trust me, he was. I can agree that there are other varying factors that could have swayed it, but he was very much left behind fairly comfortably.

I feel like i'm trying to convince you that Santa is real here. I don't see why it's so difficult to believe.

Difficult to believe as i own a mountuned fiesta st 215bhp, im pretty confident in how fast the car is against other cars.

How often do you pull up next to Golf GTD's and try to out-drag them? Have you been in the same scenario? It's really not hard for me to believe, as it happened. Plain as that really.

[anthonysjb]

dieseluser07 said:

Whats the collins performance map like in comparison? Does it feel 'rapid' now or still like a warm hatchback.

I'm a different guy but also have a Collins map and 'bolt ons'.

Goes like stink. 235bhp for me and so much more every part of rev band. Holds good power to 7300rpm now too. Keep up with a Golf R to 90 or so easy. Power can dominate the driving experience if you want it to.

[GibsonSG]

culpz said:

How often do you pull up next to Golf GTD's and try to out-drag them? Have you been in the same scenario? It's really not hard for me to believe, as it happened. Plain as that really.

I had a Mk6 GTD and my wife's Mk7 ST 215 would rip it an new ahole at every possible opportunity. My Meg 275 Cup S struggles to get away from the ST. I really rate them, and my wife has come from having a run of three Subaru's and she raves about the ST. A seriously good car from Ford - and I'm no Ford fanboi, in fact at 52 and 51 respectively it's our first blue oval car

[GibsonSG]

GibsonSG said:

culpz said:

How often do you pull up next to Golf GTD's and try to out-drag them? Have you been in the same scenario? It's really not hard for me to believe, as it happened. Plain as that really.

I had a Mk6 GTD and my wife's Mk7 ST 215 would rip it a new ahole at every possible opportunity. My Meg 275 Cup S struggles to get away from the ST. I really rate them, and my wife has come from having a run of three Subaru's and she raves about the ST. A seriously good car from Ford - and I'm no Ford fanboi, in fact at 52 and 51 respectively it's our first blue oval car

[J4CKO]

anthonysjb said:

dieseluser07 said:

Whats the collins performance map like in comparison? Does it feel 'rapid' now or still like a warm hatchback.

I'm a different guy but also have a Collins map and 'bolt ons'.

Goes like stink. 235bhp for me and so much more every part of rev band. Holds good power to 7300rpm now too. Keep up with a Golf R to 90 or so easy. Power can dominate the driving experience if you want it to.

They do seem quite tunable, I feel as standard they feel a little held back and the chassis can certainly handle more, I think there must be a sweet spot before the law of diminishing returns kicks in, it is so easy with cars and modifications to improve something, but equally you can ruin what was good about it if you got to far, and what makes a good road car can be horrible on track and vice versa.

Easy to end up chasing dyno numbers and making everything super stuff, and end up with a pig of a car, Ford obviously got it right with this car so standard plus a few improvements should do.

Cool that nowadays you can get an 1100 odd kilo hatch, that handles with easy 240 bhp potential for 10 grand, and we spend so much time harking back to the 80s hatches and moaning about how heavy stuff has got nowadays, maybe things arent so bad, think the Ford badge and general preference for German stuff puts a lot off, but my middle name is Darren and I dont care

[dieseluser07]

anthonysjb said:

dieseluser07 said:

Whats the collins performance map like in comparison? Does it feel 'rapid' now or still like a warm hatchback.

I'm a different guy but also have a Collins map and 'bolt ons'.

Goes like stink. 235bhp for me and so much more every part of rev band. Holds good power to 7300rpm now too. Keep up with a Golf R to 90 or so easy. Power can dominate the driving experience if you want it to.

Which bolt ons do you have?

[Dav72D]

dieseluser07 said:

Whats the collins performance map like in comparison? Does it feel 'rapid' now or still like a warm hatchback.

It feels much faster than before. It works best with an ITG filter which adds about another 8bhp.

[dieseluser07]

Dav72D said:

dieseluser07 said:

Whats the collins performance map like in comparison? Does it feel 'rapid' now or still like a warm hatchback.

It feels much faster than before. It works best with an ITG filter which adds about another 8bhp.

Whats it like in real life? Sounds awful on youtube, dump valve is far too loud, does it make the turbo spooling louder aswell? Or does it just make it dump loud?

[anthonysjb]

dieseluser07 said:

Which bolt ons do you have?

Airtec intercooler, ITG induction, Stealthwerx hotside pipe, Collins engine mount, milltek non res 'race' exhaust.

[towelie]

culpz said:

towelie said:

Nothing but praise? A clio 200?

As someone who owned a clio 200 full fat with cup pack 3.5 years ago I really didn’t get on with it. For overtaking it was frustrating to say the least, dawdlers doing 40-45 were a struggle. Right in between 2nd and 3rd gear. Stay in 3rd an you’re not on Cam and you get mugged off by 2 litre diesels, stay in 2nd and you’re revving the **** out of it.

Yes, yes it was naturally aspirated and ‘pure’, but actually the engine was like a sewing machine with less torque.

I swapped to a mk7 st much better car in every metric(apart from the shocking brakes on the st). The st would murder it down a B road.
I’m on my second st now, but this time mp215. I’m honestly struggling to find an everyday car that ticks all the boxes as well as the st does.

Great value for money, but it does come with the ‘gary’ image

So because you didn't get on with it, they aren't widely praised? It was highly regarded as one of the best hot hatches of it's time, regardless of what you thought of it.

I can understand the rest of what you're saying, but that doesn't change how it was overall perceived. I probably prefer turbos these day, but the Clio's still a great car.

I just thinks it’s completely over rated. Chassis was good, but really underdamped.

I only ever used to get 23mpg out of it and it was actually quite a slow car really.

Mountune fiesta has nearly identical performance to a 275 up to 100, it’s a different league of car to the clio

[blade7]

culpz said:

On the test drive, we were going through an industrial estate and a Golf GTD came up next to us.

Have another

[MartinVert]

Pound for pound, one of the greatest cars ever. Of all time. Seriously, a decent one for £9k these days with tens of thousands of miles left in it, fun and tuneable as all hell, how can you go wrong?

The worst anyone seems able to say about them is 'the wheels don't look that nice', 'it's chavvy', 'it can't skin a much more expensive hatch''.

[PSB1967]

J4CKO said:

My son has one, he is 22 and pays about a grand a year at the moment.

Its a great little car and I may get one myself (my TT isnt very well) as they tick a lot of boxes, fun, economical, look pretty good in a charmingly old school hot hatch way, only the slightly jiggly ride puts me off, and I would have to extract a bit more power.

Be interesting to see back to back comparison with the new one, also, anyone driven a Focus ST and how does that compare, better, worse or just different ?

I test drove a Golf R, Focus RS, Focus ST and Fiesta ST. For various reasons settled on the Fiesta ST3 with the MP215 kit. The Focus ST felt more grown up but was nose heavy. Power delivery relied more on torque than revs. On the test drive of the Focus ST I pulled out turning right across a junction quickly and let off the gas once I was across. The car slid forward rather than digging in to complete the manuvre.
I then had one on loan for a week as my car needed some work (I wasn't happy with the state of delivery). My opinion was confirmed. And the Focus only managed 28mpg average compared to my Fiestas 36mpg. Mpg is not everything but I still needed to be a daily so it does matter to me.

[blade7]

MartinVert said:

Pound for pound, one of the greatest cars ever. Of all time. Seriously, a decent one for £9k these days with tens of thousands of miles left in it, fun and tuneable as all hell, how can you go wrong?

Unless it's been to the moon or crashed, the tuning potential and Ford love will ensure used prices don't dive. The Fiesta ST is the natural successor to the series one Escort RST.

[culpz]

blade7 said:

culpz said:

On the test drive, we were going through an industrial estate and a Golf GTD came up next to us.

Have another

What, you mean another smiley, which means you have nothing else decent to bring to the conversation?

Here, have another comment from someone else, who backs up my point

See below:

GibsonSG said:

I had a Mk6 GTD and my wife's Mk7 ST 215 would rip it an new ahole at every possible opportunity. My Meg 275 Cup S struggles to get away from the ST. I really rate them, and my wife has come from having a run of three Subaru's and she raves about the ST. A seriously good car from Ford - and I'm no Ford fanboi, in fact at 52 and 51 respectively it's our first blue oval car

[blade7]

culpz said:

blade7 said:

culpz said:

On the test drive, we were going through an industrial estate and a Golf GTD came up next to us.

Have another

What, you mean another smiley, which means you have nothing else decent to bring to the conversation?

Here, have another comment from someone else, who backs up my point

DTD, 2014, £15200.



Never raced oil burners on an industrial estate.

[dieseluser07]

blade7 said:

culpz said:

blade7 said:

culpz said:

On the test drive, we were going through an industrial estate and a Golf GTD came up next to us.

Have another

What, you mean another smiley, which means you have nothing else decent to bring to the conversation?

Here, have another comment from someone else, who backs up my point

DTD, 2014, £15200.



Never raced oil burners on an industrial estate.

I love them in red, wish i got a red.